Another Permit Question

[royalbull]

most of you guys need some cheese to go with your whine

[npaull]

"can u just imagine that all the people that only meat hunt and that only put in for doe/cow tags, can now put in for and will put in for the buck/bull tags cause they dont loose there points. In my oponion the draw odds for any quality hunt has now gone out the window now and for ever."

Yeah but the opposite is true too! Guys like me, who really only care about the doe/cow/meat tags, now are competing with all the trophy guys, who have nothing to lose for putting in for those easier tags! That's what chaps my ass. The antlerless moose tag, ewe sheep tag, and margaret cow elk tag are now going to be virtually as hard to draw as the best trophy tags...

[Curly]

Yeah but the opposite is true too! Guys like me, who really only care about the doe/cow/meat tags, now are competing with all the trophy guys, who have nothing to lose for putting in for those easier tags! That's what chaps my ass. The antlerless moose tag, ewe sheep tag, and margaret cow elk tag are now going to be virtually as hard to draw as the best trophy tags...

Yeah.  And all those trophy guys are likely to have 14 points and will easily be able to draw the margaret or toutle cow elk permits.  The guys with little to no points will be screwed at least for a few years. 

[kramman]

can someone answer a ?for me.heres the scenario i have 5pts for deer if i put in only for quality deer this year and i do not get drawn and next year i also want to put in for buck deer how many points will i have next year for buck deer 6? or do i have to put in this year to save my points  for buck deer.?

[bobcat]

You don't have to apply in the buck category this year in order to "save" your points, but you do have to apply if you want to gain a point. If you only apply in the quality category this year, and not in the buck category, then next year you will have 6 points in Quality and 5 points in the buck category.

[kramman]

thanks bobcat.soon will all need lawyers to be able to figure this cr@p out

[Huntinsparky]

I think that you guys just like to complain about anything and everything that doesn't go the way you want it. So what if for a few years those that have a lot of points will have an advantage but most of the guys that I know that are looking for trophy's aren't even going to waste their time on the meat hunts. Because as you all know you cant shoot the big ones if you shoot the little ones first.

[Curly]

I think that you guys just like to complain about anything and everything that doesn't go the way you want it.

Not true.  The guys with lots of points have pretty much just been handed special permits in any of the easier to draw categories.  They should have to pay for those points like everybody else.  What is fair is fair and I don't complain about things that are fair but this b.s. is anything but fair........

[npaull]

"I think that you guys just like to complain about anything and everything that doesn't go the way you want it."

Huntinsparky, I agree that there is plenty of reactionary, knee-jerk blaming of WDFW on here, but I'm not someone who does that. And I do understand that the WDFW's job is more than just pleasing every individual hunter. And I even hazard to assume every now and then that just perhaps, an agency that receives field reports from PhD biologists from across the state has a better big-picture understanding of the big game herds around here than so many local "experts."

But I really have a hard time understanding how they did not see this problem - making easier tags now nearly as hard as hard tags (at least potentially). Especially because the solution was so simple - just make people have to choose where their points go. That way, everyone could still keep "chasing" the tag of their dreams. I'd be surprised if the antlerless moose permit doesn't approach the applicant #s of 49 degrees and Selkirk this year. Especially because you can draw it, shoot a moose, keep your points, and apply for an antlered unit next year! You'd be almost crazy not to apply, especially if you have tons of points saved up from years of chasing Selkirk. Same thing goes with Margaret cow tag, etc.

The thing is, absolutely nothing has been done to make the hard tags easier to draw. And it's a HUGE blow to easier tags.

[SkookumHntr]

We can all thank dave ware for this system, completly ruining the system that was created in 96. Thanks dave ware you f'ing Puke!

[Cougeyes]

Not true.  The guys with lots of points have pretty much just been handed special permits in any of the easier to draw categories.  They should have to pay for those points like everybody else.  

We have paid for them, we have lots of points because we haven't been drawn.I understand what you meant b/c i now have 12 antlerless points when i've never put in for them however... going into the draw i will have 13 points built up, that's 12 years of unsuccessful drawing i believe i have "paid" enough. Those that have put in for antlerless in the past have most likely drawn their share of tags.  Now i get your point, being....I will put in for a second deer tag, but not not an antlerless tag so not everyone puts in for antlerless or "meat" hunts.  I feel that the "trophy" hunters may have worse draw odds now b/c the "meat" hunters can put in for "trophy" hunts without losing "meat" points, but on the flip side, some people such as myself really do not have a desire to harvest a doe, but i'm sure more "meat" hunters now given the opportunity to harvest a buck/bull w/o losing "meat" points are going to apply cause meat is meat, but when you spend most of your time putting in for "trophy" hunts, i just dont care to put in for antlerless hunts.  

[npaull]

I think you could look at it either way, and either way, it seems unfair, and not a good system. Especially, I'll say again, when it could so easily have been avoided by having people choose the category their points go to.

[BIGMIKE]

money, money, the money that makes the world go round. Sad but true.
Sadly it applies to hunting too.
Let's all move to Alaska.

[hornhunter]

Question:
lets say I have 6 points.  I put in for a Quality deer hunt and a Buck deer hunt.  I draw both. My understanding of the explanation on page 80 of the regulations is, you may participate in both hunts, NOT choose one hunt over the other hunt.  In this case I would now loose points in both pools but possibly only participate in one hunt.  This seems like a flaw in the system.  You should be able to choose one hunt or the other.  Now for fear of loosing points in both catagories do you apply only for Quality deer hunts and save your points for Buck deer hunts?  In which case the NEW system REALLY sucks because now you only get 2 choices.   Hmmmmmm..... How could this issue be fixed?

[bobcat]

It's simple:  they should only allow a person to apply in one category per species in a given year.

If not that, then the drawing should be done so that once a person draws a permit in one category, they automatically become ineligible to draw another permit for the same species. But for this idea, they will say the computers cannot be programmed to do something like that, is my guess.