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| bigtex:
--- Quote from: BallisticsNut on April 18, 2011, 01:23:51 PM --- --- Quote from: StacyDave97 on April 18, 2011, 01:05:02 PM --- --- Quote from: Rhinoron247 on April 18, 2011, 11:29:48 AM --- --- Quote from: BallisticsNut on April 18, 2011, 11:26:33 AM ---If your hunting or traveling too and from a hunt or gun range or other similar activity, its legal to carry concealed... that is IF you are actually participating in a legal outdoor activity! If you carry a concealed pistol in your vehicle without a CPL and you do this as part of your everyday activities and when you get pulled over you tell the LEO that you are "Heading to" or "Returning from" an outdoor activitiy to save your ass, your no different then any other low life law breaker. You just might not got caught. Someone asked about how the does a LEO know you have a CPL when you are pulled over. Answer: Its attached to your drivers license record. When you DL is run, it will show that you have a CPL. You are not LEGALLY required to "announce" that you have a CPL or a concealed weapon on your person or in vehicle when you are pulled over. IMHO, its in your best interest not to annouce but to hand over your CPL when pulled over. Its a non verbal way of stating, your carrying and should put everyone at ease. --- End quote --- Thanks for answering that, wondered if it were brought up when they run your info. --- End quote --- No, the above information is wrong, at least in Washington. The fact that you have a CPL is not, in any way, attached to your driver's license. I work in LE so I know this to be true. If you are stopped by a local officer, by local I mean you live in that city, the officer may be aware of a CPL if he checks his local records system, as most police departments will enter the CPL into their database. Also, if there are other surrounding agencies that use the same records system, like a regional system, then those officers will also be able to see that you have a CPL...IF they check their local system. Some do and some don't. Most officers only find out you have a CPL if it is visible when you pull out your driver's license. Mine is not visible, nor do I advertise the fact that I have a CPL, whether I have the gun with me or not. The average officer does not usually ask someone if they have a CPL. The only time I've been asked about it is when I was up by our cabin in Steven's County and then it almost seemed like a standard question :dunno: maybe they are just used to people carrying up in that area more. I'm not a commissioned officer but if I were and someone told me they were carrying, I'd probably be inclined to ask for the weapon until I was finished with the stop.... that's just me but I've heard other LE say the same thing!! Hope this helps answer that question! --- End quote --- Thats interesting because I was told just the opposite on Sunday by a Federal Criminal Investigator. --- End quote --- It really depends on the state. There is no statewide policy in WA that requires CPL info to be attached to the DL info. Also, in regards to declaring if you are carrying when you are stopped by a LEO. It depends on the state. I have several friends that work in LE in California and in that state you must declare that you are carrying. If you don't then it is an arrestable offense. Always good to know the laws of the state you are carrying in when you travel. |
| longknife:
(quote)It also does not state that you can't. If it doesn't say you can't, then you CAN. CWP book states, "remember, No single pamphlet can list all safty info, or laws, rules, and regulations." Just cause you dont see it on one book, dosent mean it dosent exhist! Know your rules, and regs. I have been told by Sno co.(CWP is issued by the county) you must let officers know if you have a cwp in the vehicle. You must have the weapon on you if it is loaded. Remember you are responsible for every bullet, if it is under your seat, and you hit a pot hole, and it goes off, its your responsability. I understand being liberal, and demanding on the rights we were given, but the charges if you mess up, could grant a fellony charge, rendering all your rights. Non concield weapons are fine, as long as they are unloaded, and visable, in a vehicle. Just to add, A friend is a retired SnoCo Sheriff. The county can give fellons CWP's. It has to be issued, or denied within a certan time period.(cant remember but i think i recall its 30days) If the county hasnt done its full background investigation, it is issued. My buddy had to collect fellons with CWP's, not a fun job! |
| xd2005:
--- Quote from: longknife on April 19, 2011, 11:54:28 AM ---(quote)It also does not state that you can't. If it doesn't say you can't, then you CAN. CWP book states, "remember, No single pamphlet can list all safty info, or laws, rules, and regulations." Just cause you dont see it on one book, dosent mean it dosent exhist! Know your rules, and regs. I have been told by Sno co.(CWP is issued by the county) you must let officers know if you have a cwp in the vehicle. --- End quote --- The CWP book is correct, not every single law, rule, or regulation is included. But the fact remains that there is or is not a law. Just because someone says something does not make it a law unless there is an actual law (or written opinion by an authorized person). The RCW states: (b) Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so. (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050) I will not attempt to interpret the law, that is not my role. --- Quote from: longknife on April 19, 2011, 11:54:28 AM --- You must have the weapon on you if it is loaded. Remember you are responsible for every bullet, if it is under your seat, and you hit a pot hole, and it goes off, its your responsability. I understand being liberal, and demanding on the rights we were given, but the charges if you mess up, could grant a fellony charge, rendering all your rights. --- End quote --- Yes, you are responsible for your firearm...that is a given, whether it's in your vehicle or elsewhere...HOWEVER, I disagree that a loaded firearm MUST be on your person while in the vehicle. Two items to support this. First, I was pulled over a few months back by WSP. Loaded pistol in car door (I have CPL). He asked if there were any weapons (he said he already knew by the way we were trying to ensure he felt comfortable -- hands on dash/steering wheel, etc). I noted there was one in the door and he had no problems. Point being, no issue with it not being on my person. Second, there is a WA AGO letter that indicates that it is not required to be on the person (http://dyna-vault.com/images/Guns in Vehicles.pdf). (note, you need to copy and paste the link due to the spaces) |
| longknife:
So the stater that pulled me over last week is wrong? He told me my 44 mag had to be on me. If someone is in the car, it can be rendered by others(had no one in the rig). his statement I dont agree with the, "Dont see it, its legal" comment. There are many panphlets, rules and regs constantly being passed, hell the state representitives cant keep up. When the cop asks more questions, and you say, "i didnt know, you couldnt do that" it tends to be a bad thing. |
| xd2005:
--- Quote from: longknife on April 19, 2011, 01:44:22 PM ---So the stater that pulled me over last week is wrong? He told me my 44 mag had to be on me. If someone is in the car, it can be rendered by others(had no one in the rig). his statement --- End quote --- I guess so. Did he cite a law? The law states: (2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle. The "OR" makes each mutually exclusive, thus if any one of the three are met it meets the criteria. This is consistent with the WA AGO letter. The fact is, either the trooper that pulled me over was wrong (also, when I was pulled over, my wife and infant daughter were in the car...wife has a CPL but it was never asked of her) or the one that pulled you over is wrong. Both cannot be right...considering the language of the law and the letter from the AGO, I'm inclined to say that the trooper that pulled you over was not correct. |
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