Hunter Education changes

[wraithen]

I don't get why they want it the same across the board anyway. They say any proof of hunters ed in the country is good enough so what are they thinking?! There they go meddling again... 

[lokidog]

Well it is official. I got a letter from Director Anderson and he fully supports the move to remove all working Firearms from Hunter Education Classes.
I expect them to tell everyone at IST in Yakima and have a completion date of July 2013. After that you will never touch a working firearm in Hunter Ed Class. They also want to do away with any live fire days.
They are spending thousands on firearms with no firing pin.
I am told only on set of five per class.

So that is it for me, when the final word comes that I am not allowed to use working firearms in my classes than I am done,

I quit years ago!  They make it so hard to be an instructor, I am surprised anyone bothers.  One of the things that I thought was great when I taught was that we could bring in all kinds of firearms, things that most students do not get a chance to see.  My two biggest beefs were having to teach a class EVERY year and having to do the worthless instructor training (teaching us how to teach).  Oh yeah, I have a Masters in Teaching, I think I had more teaching training and experience than most of the administrators of the program.    

Thank goodness for all of you instructors that can, and do, put up with all of the State's crap.

[ghosthunter]

Live fire is not being eliminated.

Yet

I was told by a staff member that live fire will be the next to go.

[Bob33]

Live fire is not being eliminated.

Yet

I was told by a staff member that live fire will be the next to go.

That is not going to happen.

[ghosthunter]

Its time for all hunter education instructors to let there voices be heard, the program will not work without live fire training, I  cannot continue  instructing if this becomes reality, the enviros have taken over the hunter education program, we should have a poll asking our fellow sportsman for a no confinance vote .

It is a done deal. Some instructors according to Anderson are already doing it. Once Mik left the down hill slide started. We went from a guy who would question policies to a commissioned officer who takes orders. The job Mik held for years has been filled at least twice now.

[ghosthunter]

Really what they are saying is that they cannot trust their instructors to check firearms for live rounds in the class room.

[ICEMAN]

If I were an instructor I feel that I would be insulted by this change. Nothing beats having a real gun to train to use a real gun. Maybe wildlife could provide some nice and pretty pink toy guns with flowers sticking out the end of the barrel for classes?

[Oldguy]

When are the new instructor manuals supposed to come out? Probably right in the middle of the teaching season.

[Bob33]

I expect that instructors will hear about any proposed changes in March at the IST in Yakima.

[Arteman]

I'm glad then I got my daughter who was 7 last year through the class already and passed.  She is excelled in the knowledge and respect of weapons more so than many other children her age.  I like that she got the opportunity to handle many different weapons of different working actions that I don't have in my own gun collection during her class, and liked the fact that even after passing the booklet she still had to carry a gun through a field course, and shoot a live 223 without me to pass hunters safety.  Maybe one of the complaints is the cost of live ammo, idk, I donated two boxes to her instructor.

[Bob33]

I'm glad then I got my daughter who was 7 last year through the class already and passed.  She is excelled in the knowledge and respect of weapons more so than many other children her age.  I like that she got the opportunity to handle many different weapons of different working actions that I don't have in my own gun collection during her class, and liked the fact that even after passing the booklet she still had to carry a gun through a field course, and shoot a live 223 without me to pass hunters safety.  Maybe one of the complaints is the cost of live ammo, idk, I donated two boxes to her instructor.

Live fire is not going away.

[huntnphool]

 What is the rational behind this decision?

[Bob33]

What decision?

[huntnphool]

What decision?

 To change

[Bob33]

What decision?

 To change

First off, no changes have been made.  The state is evaluating many issues: consistency of instruction, finding ways to reach more potential hunters, liability risks, and so forth.