wolf found dead in washington

[Special T]

 
We need to make statements that divide the Anti's support while unifiing ours... Our position needs a better sell job. Think of all the Anti's (could be just 1-3 people) that have started an account said some crazy stuff so we would react then disapear not to be heard from again? It is definatly a tactic I would use if i were them... It divides us (ie this conversation) and provides "proof" that they are right. 

[remington300mag]

For anyone interested click on Rem300's recent posts and look at like the last 50 posts. All he does is argue, rant and rave talk about being a bad ass redneck and get confrontational, blah blah blah.

Dude i got a couple bits of info for you:

1. I could careless what anti hunters think of me, but that doesnt mean I run my mouth to intentionally piss off someone with different views than my own. I dont like wolves anymore then you do.

2. FYI from 2000 - 2004 while you were sitting in your trailer drinking warm beer I was overseas serving my country in the military ( so dont talk to me about being a weak minded conformist )

3.  Just because your taller and fatter then me just doesnt mean your tougher buddy it only means your taller and fatter.

I feel bad for even responding and letting you bait me in to arguing So this will my last response on here but if you wanna call me whatever names you like or get confrontational   just pm me and we can work something out in a more private manner...

Awwwww is the little guy angry?!?! Funny thing is I sit here laughing at you..... You cant awnser any of my question I ask you because you know I am right...... Nope, you go on and start calling names again, trying to talk like you are some sort of forum hero....
I still don't see why you can mention buying sheep for the purpose of baiting in wolves then shooting them....without a tag.....Isn't that poaching??? Stop playing both sides of the fence dirty!! Oh, also I have seen where you have said it is alright to get even with someone by cutting their tires....also illegal! Sounds to me like your not exactly on the up and up......

Then again we will see how you feel when the wolves are in your back yard.....I am sure the wetside will sing a different tune come that time.....

As for Dirty trying to call me out......LMAO.....Are you serious??? I can sit here and puff my chest out.....I could talk like I am going to throw down.....but this is the internet....Know reason to take it there.....well unless really want to.....and in that case you should really go have a talk with your daddy.....cause if you are ready to fight over an internet discussion....you were not raised right at all!

Edit....and this is the second time you have said you are done responding on this thread!!! Just so you know........

[remington300mag]

Pianoman,

I got one question for you....I do agree with what you say about the image of hunters.....BUT, can you honestly say that anything we do or say will stop the taking of our rights? Every year we lose more and more......The antis do what they want.....they line the pockets of politicians.... and we keep getting the short end of the stick......and now we got the wolf issue.....My stand on that is, when the wolves have decimated the animal population in this state......how long before they shut down hunting to all of us???

And like I have said before....it doesn't matter if you are a saint in the woods or a poacher.....either way the antis hate you the same.....

Yes, I do think what we do and say, and how we say it makes a huge difference. Remember that the "antis" are a very small portion of the "non-hunters", probably only about 10% or less. We're not trying to sway the "antis". We're trying to show the rest of the "non-hunters" that our goals are reasonable, as well as our actions, that we're dedicated to conservation and balance in the wild.

Look, the average non-hunting person hears "we're reintroducing wolves" and they get all Jack London and weepy and chit. They think that's just great. Then the crazy people who are pushing for the wolves are telling them, "see, those crazy, extremist hunters want to kill all your wolves and your children will never hear a howl in the wilderness". They show them quotes from forums like ours where people say "s.s.s." and such. And they think, "damn, those hunters will do anything they want unless we can stop them". But, when we speak with facts and rationality, the antis will look like the crazies. When we point out that we're the ones who've been pouring money into conservation through volunteering and the Pittman Robertson Act, and that we're the ones who brought back the elk, deer, buffalo, cougar, bear, and other wild critters that were almost hunted to extinction by US government shooters, they can begin to understand that we know the woods and the wild, and these freaks speak from emotion and a lack of knowledge and truth. Our way of speaking makes a huge difference in their listening. Our actions and words must represent hunters as a responsible force for conservation and balance in nature, like we truly are.

See, This is exactly what I am talking about man......Everything you wrote sounds nice! Sounds like it is a winning game plan!!! BUT.....did any of this work for Montana, Idaho, or North Western Wyoming???
I am pretty sure they took the same stance as you at first.....and look where it has got them.......So, do we wait until it gets as bad as it has over there.....or do we speak out now??? You tell me?
All I know is I want something left for my kids and grand kids.......At the rate we are already losing opportunity.....what is going to be left....Think about what we have lost just in the last 15 years.......

[pianoman9701]

That's all I've got. We're the minority. You figure it out.

[trophyhunt]

Yeah, good idea.....lets just keep our comments to ourselves..... matter of fact, lets not say a damn word about anything......So, while the wolf population keeps going up....and the deer and elk numbers drop....like they have every where else....you can all start complaining then!
I for one will not keep my mouth shut about it......I hope each and every wolf is killed! There is a reason why they were eradicated years ago.......
As for my comment.....Yep, I do hope it was someone on here....or another hunter in general.....The wolf should have never been brought back to this state.....and if someone dropped one....so be it!
I am not out there to please any wolf lover.....tree hugger....or granola eater!! IF they don't like what I got to say they can just cry me a river....because I for one do not like their actions or what they stand for.....
Maybe some of you should just crawl under a rock and hope that know one is offended by what you do or say.....Maybe you should stop hunting all together so that these people don't get offended by your actions..... That is the problem.....we has hunters will sit back and keep our mouths shut.....all the while the anti's are out there screaming and yelling....getting their point across......That is why they get their way (Bear baiting/hound hunting, Wolves) and we get the short end of the stick! Keep being passive....it is REALLY working.....isn't it?

((MY COMMENTS IN KNOW WAY REFLECT THE BELIEFS OF THE HUNT-WASHINGTON COMMUNITY OR THE HUNTING COMMUNITY......THEY ARE STRICTLY THE BELIEFS OF ONE REMINGTON300MAG)) There that should help...........

Well put, I couldn't have said it better.

[Deep Forks]

Yeah, good idea.....lets just keep our comments to ourselves..... matter of fact, lets not say a damn word about anything......So, while the wolf population keeps going up....and the deer and elk numbers drop....like they have every where else....you can all start complaining then!
I for one will not keep my mouth shut about it......I hope each and every wolf is killed! There is a reason why they were eradicated years ago.......
As for my comment.....Yep, I do hope it was someone on here....or another hunter in general.....The wolf should have never been brought back to this state.....and if someone dropped one....so be it!
I am not out there to please any wolf lover.....tree hugger....or granola eater!! IF they don't like what I got to say they can just cry me a river....because I for one do not like their actions or what they stand for.....
Maybe some of you should just crawl under a rock and hope that know one is offended by what you do or say.....Maybe you should stop hunting all together so that these people don't get offended by your actions..... That is the problem.....we has hunters will sit back and keep our mouths shut.....all the while the anti's are out there screaming and yelling....getting their point across......That is why they get their way (Bear baiting/hound hunting, Wolves) and we get the short end of the stick! Keep being passive....it is REALLY working.....isn't it?

((MY COMMENTS IN KNOW WAY REFLECT THE BELIEFS OF THE HUNT-WASHINGTON COMMUNITY OR THE HUNTING COMMUNITY......THEY ARE STRICTLY THE BELIEFS OF ONE REMINGTON300MAG)) There that should help...........

Well put, I couldn't have said it better.

  I would rather stand up for what I believe than stand back and allow others to take it away...

[got2hunt]

The wolves that they are planting are a high breed they are bigger in all aspects compaired to the wolves that were here long time ago. The wolves that were here a long time ago were only maybe 100 pounds and the ones that they are planting now are over 200 pounds. They are bigger stranger faster and that is not right. The only good wolves is a dead ones

[Dirty Mike]

my friend is taking hunters ed right now and his instrustor is a retired fish and game officer from the east side or something but anyway he said he heard rumor that they are going to be planting 300 wolves throughout washington... then he started saying numbers like 4400 elk per yr and so on, not sure where hes getting the info so like i said rumor so i hope its not true!!!!

[Jingles]

Those are  some damned big Coyotes

[Knocker of rocks]

he said he heard rumor that they are going to be planting 300 wolves throughout washington...

Probably unlikely.  They are effectively walking anywhere they want to go, and are expanding their range without cost. 

[TONTO]

 You know, the problem I have with the three Ss' is that third S, sure seems alot of people like to talk about it

[pianoman9701]

 

You know, the problem I have with the three Ss' is that third S, sure seems alot of people like to talk about it

[Wenatcheejay]

I don't think the "Anti's" have as many numbers as they think. Also, if the USDFW and the Pro-Wolf groups had kept the agreement on wolf numbers 10 years ago hunters and the general public, (as well as Congress) would not see wolves as such a threat to things. These groups are using wolves as an ESA hammer. What we need to do is focus. Fighting each other isn't helpful. There are not enough people in the woods, (hunters are not poachers) to deal with this situation. It doesn't matter where or how the skinned wolf comes from, if the person/s are caught and convicted or not isn't going to increase or decrease wolf populations much, these indivdual's actions will however delay delisting which hurts the State's ability to manage them. Which, OK, so this drama plays out forever.

I'd like to see the anger and frustration focused on the changing or elimination of the ESA all together. ESA should be State controlled for all experiments. I'd like to see people who have a lot of energy about this subject look at joining advocacy groups on our side, putting their time and their money to work in what might turn out to be fruitful endeavors. But, that's just me. I don't think the red hunters see is bloodlust. It is frustration with what appears to be a Government that takes their money and betrays them. We have yet to get really political about the right to hunt. Because our Tags and licenses pay for the outdoors we assume that Departments have our back. Lately and for some time that is not the case. It's the ever changing desire to represent all sides and the appetite of Lawyers suing for our tax dollars that have made this fiasco. Pro Wilderness, anti human groups have made fortunes off of our anger, our ignorance, and our dollars to fund what they are doing. We need to focus, wolves are a tool, not the problem.

[TONTO]

 It's all a baby step process, but the end result isn't all that hard to see. Use an ESA listed animal to thin the ungulats to the point they can use the ESA to eliminate hunting all together. Getting the RockyMtn elk listed may seem like a strech, but wait untill the wovles get west of the Cascades, Rosevelt elk may not be that far of a reach, and just another step.
  I see the same thing happening on the Columbia river with the sealions and sturgeon, once sturgeon numbers get low enough we will have no keeper fishery, regulations will mirror the snake and fraiser rivers if we are alowed to fish at all.

[30.06]

True about the sea lions. We paid for those fish. Sea lions have no $ value. Salmon bring sport, commercial, and Indian fishermen $, food, a sense of harvesting nature's bounty. Healthy populations have a surplus. Sea lions just hit the females, and just eat the roe. If we did that, Peta people (sheeple) and granolas would be screaming. Instead it's all about look at the pretty air breathers. The tribes should slaughter the sea lions instead of running down trophy elk with 4 bys and popping them with mini-14's. Off topic but important as an example of tree huggers giving our wildlife to predators that ain't from around here. Forget about trying to walk on eggshells with those types. They don't eat a proper diet of red meat and fish like God intended. When is the last time anybody heard of a tree hugger buying any sort of a tag, permit, liscence, boat launch pass, donation to Trout Unlimited or the Mule Deer Foundation, or even bothered to take a reality check of any depth? Thought that it was a coyote, lady. Relax.