Post by: bankwalker on June 28, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
And after 4 years I'm glad I started with cheap arrows :chuckle:
So what's everyone shooting? And any particular reasoning for choosing your arrow/broadhead combo?
In my previous archery career I shot carbon express maxima hunters with slick trick mags. But I'm looking to go a new route
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 28, 2012, 08:33:15 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 28, 2012, 08:50:11 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on June 28, 2012, 09:34:14 PM
Post by: bankwalker on June 28, 2012, 09:43:12 PM
Post by: colockumelk on June 28, 2012, 09:58:10 PM
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Post by: hughjorgan on June 28, 2012, 10:46:22 PM
Post by: Jellymon on June 28, 2012, 11:28:22 PM
Easton axis n-fused with shuttle t's the only other broad head I would consider is slick tricks.
Exactly, Shuttles are the toughest most accurate broadhead I have ever shot, and the new black ones are sharp enough to shave hair off my arm. Easton axis is just a great tough reliable arrow.
Post by: RadSav on June 28, 2012, 11:43:25 PM
Instead I bought the company! :chuckle:
After three years of rebuilding equipment, improving designs, and implementing quality control standards we have made them even better than before. I thought about just keeping them all to myself, the squaw and Crazy Larry :dunno: But, so may people have been asking for them we will probably make them available to everyone next year. Hot Pink peep sights too for some damn reason! :bash:
As far as arrows go...I like Easton ACC, FMJ and Carbon Express best.
Post by: hillbilli on June 29, 2012, 02:44:46 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 29, 2012, 05:54:04 AM
Post by: Jason on June 29, 2012, 07:10:49 AM
Post by: LabMan on June 29, 2012, 07:16:53 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on June 29, 2012, 07:28:57 AM
Post by: buckfvr on June 29, 2012, 07:41:49 AM
I go back and forth, always monkeyin around, never know for sure til its time.....
Overall the Nitro Stingers and XX78s fly like darts......heavier, more forgiving......great for hunting.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 29, 2012, 08:31:03 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on June 29, 2012, 09:46:29 AM
Just food for thought.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 29, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
Speaking of broadheads, not sure if you guys heard or not but the holding company that owns the rage broadhead brand just purchased the muzzy brand. Should be an interesting marriage. The holding company is trying to buy up some good quality brands across the bowhunting industry.if they want good quality brands they screwed up by buying muzzy... IMO...
Just food for thought.
they already own block targets and a few others as well.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 29, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 29, 2012, 10:54:35 AM
Post by: MADMAX on June 29, 2012, 10:59:44 AM
Post by: MADMAX on June 29, 2012, 11:02:02 AM
I hate following blood trails. The only broadhead I have used where I routinely watch animals go down has been Savora. When they became hard to get I thought about leaving bowhunting all together. :'(
Instead I bought the company! :chuckle:
After three years of rebuilding equipment, improving designs, and implementing quality control standards we have made them even better than before. I thought about just keeping them all to myself, the squaw and Crazy Larry :dunno: But, so may people have been asking for them we will probably make them available to everyone next year. Hot Pink peep sights too for some damn reason! :bash:
As far as arrows go...I like Easton ACC, FMJ and Carbon Express best.
No chit on the Savora company huh ?
I'm impressed, definetely old school
Post by: Giggles on June 29, 2012, 11:49:13 AM
Post by: buckfvr on June 29, 2012, 11:53:55 AM
Speaking of broadheads, not sure if you guys heard or not but the holding company that owns the rage broadhead brand just purchased the muzzy brand. Should be an interesting marriage. The holding company is trying to buy up some good quality brands across the bowhunting industry.
Just food for thought.
Once they have collected all our guns, we will ALL be bow hunters...... :yike:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 29, 2012, 11:54:25 AM
2 bladed Rage's does the trick on whitetails. I'm sure they will work well on elk too here in WA.
Post by: whackmaster on June 29, 2012, 12:21:18 PM
carbon express blue streak shafts you get what you pay for
Post by: RadSav on June 29, 2012, 03:08:25 PM
Speaking of broadheads, not sure if you guys heard or not but the holding company that owns the rage broadhead brand just purchased the muzzy brand. Should be an interesting marriage. The holding company is trying to buy up some good quality brands across the bowhunting industry.if they want good quality brands they screwed up by buying muzzy... IMO...
Just food for thought.
they already own block targets and a few others as well.
Field Logic sold Feradyne Outdoors the Rage brand, but not the targets or anything else. As far as I am aware Feradyne Outdoors has Rage, Nockturnal, Muzzy and that is it at this moment. I've heard through the grapevine they would like to buy us. :dunno:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 29, 2012, 09:31:58 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 29, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
Post by: RadSav on June 29, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
The ability of blades to stay sharp after penetrating the hair, hide and chest wall is what really separates the good from the bad. You might have a steel ferrule, but if the blades are dull before they get to the good stuff you're still screwed. A lot of the blades available these days are dull right out of the package. Guess bowhunters have gotten so excited about the marketing minutia of ferrules and point design they have forgotten what actually kills!
We will be keeping the Contender blades and offering heads with the Contender profile, but thicker blade material. This is the blade I field tested last year on my Dall and Caribou. I am also in the process of adding a completely new blade design that will still have the famous Savora edge. Probably going to name that one the "Crazy Larry" after my best friend and hunting partner. Blade profiles will look very similar to the Muzzy MX series, but blade locking will be completely different. Only broadhead that should come close to it in sharpness and edge durability would be WASP.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 30, 2012, 10:12:11 AM
Post by: RadSav on July 01, 2012, 03:35:16 AM
That is one of the reasons I bought Savora with no business expectations at all. I just did not want to stop bowhunting and if I had to shoot that crap on todays market I would have. It was a selfish decision to make sure myself and my hunting partners always had a great product to use. Had it been a business decision based upon sound business practices we would never have made that commitment.
It's a tough thing to swallow when you see prices double when nothing but the packaging changes. In the past three years we've seen a lot of that through the supply chain. We have seen a 10% increase in our list pricing during that same time. While our supply costs have increased more than 25% and business expenses more than that. RAD is not alone as a lot of companies have been like us. And we have zero debt and almost zero overhead. Our household income has decreased by 50% even though we have let employees go and steamlined operations to the absolute minimum. I still do not know how those very nice people at WASP are doing it. Doubling prices or not.
Sorry for jacking your thread BANKWALKER. To get back on that topic I would have to say your old set up sounded pretty good to me. Especially since you should be starting to see the much improved Slick Trick blades starting to rotate onto store shelves by now. Hard to make weight in Washington with the CE Maxima shafts, but they are as good as anything out there. I got a couple dozen of the new model Blue Streaks in not long ago and they are as good as any all carbon arrow I have ever seen. I'm almost exclusively Carbon Express these days.
Post by: windygorge on July 01, 2012, 07:08:06 AM
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Post by: Angus on July 01, 2012, 09:44:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on July 01, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
Beeman ics camo hunter arrows 340s and 125 muzzy's never let me down+1 except I'm using 85gr. Thunderheads.
Post by: thorne27 on July 02, 2012, 05:20:59 PM
Post by: Battle Ready on July 02, 2012, 11:07:59 PM
Post by: AKBowman on July 03, 2012, 02:40:53 PM
Goldtips w/ 3 blade muzzy's
Goldtip XT Hunters 7595's tipped with 100gr 3 blade Muzzy's
Post by: AKBowman on July 03, 2012, 02:42:42 PM
Post by: colockumelk on July 05, 2012, 10:22:18 AM
Post by: et1702 on July 05, 2012, 10:27:48 AM
I shoot the Carbon Express Maxima Kevlar Hunter..and SAVORA.ummm...prototype. I havent shot anything with it yet but some foam..but I know broadheads..and this is king.
Alright Radsav, how'd this guy get a Savora prototype...you holding out on the rest of us...LOL
ET
Post by: whackmaster on July 05, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 05, 2012, 03:18:40 PM
Radsav what is the difference between the new Slick Trick blades and the old ones. U might show my ignorance here but the old blades seemed to he pretty awesome. So if the new blades are even better those things are gonna be super scary.
The new blade material is AEB-L stainless. This was designed in a joint effort with Gillette and Uddaholm in an effort to find a stainless capable of use with facial razors. Up until it's development facial razors had to be carbon steel or leave the user with very bad razor burn. The reason for the razor burn was microscopic burrs as stainless could not be ground clean. It would actually break at the edge leaving a very ragged surface. In simplicity, a burr is a small sharp point followed and preceded by a large dull void. These burrs as related to hunting stimulate the platelets in the blood and introduce oxygen which promotes coagulation. The goal is to prolong coagulation not encourage it. Burrs also trap tissue which reduces the blades effectiveness.
The AEB-L material is basically a 440-C stainless, but with an increased ability to heat treat well, resist impact breakage and a purity that allows improved grinding.
Slick Trick blades are now sharper than before which isn't necessarily the biggest deal. You must remember it means nothing how sharp your blades are in the package. It's how sharp they are once they pass through the vitals. This is where you will see a major improvement in the new Slick Trick blades.
Post by: RadSav on July 05, 2012, 03:30:22 PM
I shoot the Carbon Express Maxima Kevlar Hunter..and SAVORA.ummm...prototype. I havent shot anything with it yet but some foam..but I know broadheads..and this is king.
Alright Radsav, how'd this guy get a Savora prototype...you holding out on the rest of us...LOL
ET
Five things needed to get Savora Prototypes
#1: Work for RAD, Inc. 8 hours a day for almost nothing
#2: Never complain when I knock you out of the carp boat in Vancouver Lake's sludge.
#3: Be arguably the best turkey caller in Washington
#4: Work the ATA show and write about $100,000 in RAD peep orders
#5: Bake me cookies
You can also get some by being WhackMaster and spend the past 25 years getting the Angry Squaw drunk (because I won't), passing up easy shots at bear so she can get a good shot, and packing out at least 20 RADSAV and Angry Squaw elk. Oh, and being the best man at my wedding doesn't hurt.
Post by: Johnb317 on July 05, 2012, 03:44:39 PM
Checked out your web sight (assuming it's radical archery.com),
You need help getting it going?
Think I still have some Savoras and extra blades from 1976 if anyone wants.
I've been shooting ics hunter 340 with 100 gr Slick Tricks full pass through on elk, last one cracked one of the blades, called the ST people and they were very nice. Said all the stores should be selling the newer blades now.....frustration is there isn't any marking so I can identify which is which.
Post by: colockumelk on July 06, 2012, 01:27:45 PM
I agree with you 100% RADSAV. This is why for archery deer this year I am using the Swhacker. I liked the concept of how the chisel blades cut through the hide meat bones and the 2.25" cutting blades don't open up until they get to the vitals. So in Short they are virgin blades when they hit the vitals.
And the reason I went with an expandable this year is because I live in NY where they are legal and I wanted to try something new.
Post by: Battle Ready on July 12, 2012, 10:21:13 AM
Dont forget to mention helping the angry squaw contain her desire to catch fire to everything in the yard with her torch..lol.
All things aside, I would have to say Ive learned a ton about what make blades good. I thought I knew, but after sitting at the micro scope and checking things out through your eyes..now I know the difference..and its big.
Cannot wait to see how these blades...heads... slice and dice there way into my next trophy.