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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: shorthair15 on June 30, 2012, 09:21:11 AM

Title: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: shorthair15 on June 30, 2012, 09:21:11 AM: i seem to be haveing trouble with the mouth reeds for calling elk. i can cow calll with a open reed and bugle with my berry thunder bugle. trying to learn how to use a diaphragm so i dont have to carry as much stuff in the wods with my bow. i have some bugling bull diaphragms like the mellow yellow and some sonic domes. thinking maybe i need to try a different brand. my name is scott i would like to hook up with some one that could give me some pointers. how do you size the reed to your mouth? thanks
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 30, 2012, 10:04:41 AM: take a pair of scissors and trim the outside edge of the diaphram ...usually it only takes a little trimming to make a perfect fit ... :tup:
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: dylanb on July 08, 2012, 06:48:07 PM: Pm sent!
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: Crunchy on July 08, 2012, 09:52:53 PM: I buy a bunch until I find the ones that fit just right. I usually carry 5-6 of my favorites and the rest I leave in camp.
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: coachcw on July 09, 2012, 12:44:06 PM: try the mini domes !
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: Crunchy on July 09, 2012, 12:46:57 PM: Primos usually fits my mouth best, but i do carry a few other brands. The ones that dont fit I toss and try to remember not to buy them again.
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: JPhelps on July 09, 2012, 01:14:49 PM: Unfortunately it Is a buy and check on mouth call frame sizes.

The adult frame will work for 90% of callers. Others that have a smaller palate won't be able to get the call to fit right and will need to use a youth frame.

The tape is used to seal off the air and force it across the latex (it can be cut as short as needed for comfort while maintaining the seal).

The palate plate makes the calls more universal as it fits a larger variety of palate sizes. Once the palate plate or dome bottoms out it is set rather than relying on the aluminum frame for placement.

The other thing that comes into play is what type of caller you are. Some guys like thicker/tighter reeds and others like thinner/looser reeds.

There is also the way the call is blown. You can add tension to the latex with your tongue or increase air pressure and all combinations in between. Where your tongue is located on the latex will also affect the sound.

Is that as clear as mud? It really comes down to what works for you.
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: Webfoot on July 11, 2012, 06:17:19 PM: For me the reed needs to be broken in to get the best sound.
The only way to break it in is to use it and practice.
My wife loves it when I practice in the house.

John
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: TommyH on July 11, 2012, 06:21:01 PM: Quote from: Webfoot on July 11, 2012, 06:17:19 PM
For me the reed needs to be broken in to get the best sound.
The only way to break it in is to use it and practice.
My wife loves it when I practice in the house.

John

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: she hates me in august! :chuckle:
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: crazyantler on July 12, 2012, 01:41:39 PM: I just experienced this myself last night after buying a reed and not being able to get it flat to roof of mouth. I trimmed the edges and it still didnt fit so I guess I will trim more until if fits. I also assumed the rounded edge of reed went towards the front of my mouth.
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: et1702 on July 12, 2012, 01:47:45 PM: Quote from: crazyantler on July 12, 2012, 01:41:39 PM
I just experienced this myself last night after buying a reed and not being able to get it flat to roof of mouth. I trimmed the edges and it still didnt fit so I guess I will trim more until if fits. I also assumed the rounded edge of reed went towards the front of my mouth.

Maybe I don't understand which direction is front or back, but rounded part goes in back of mouth against palate and reed is up front (i.e., towards front teeth).

ET
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 12, 2012, 02:30:53 PM: Quote from: Crunchy on July 08, 2012, 09:52:53 PM
I buy a bunch until I find the ones that fit just right. I usually carry 5-6 of my favorites and the rest I leave in camp.

..........ah, I don't think you leave anything in me !! :chuckle:
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: JPhelps on July 12, 2012, 03:00:09 PM: Latex towards the teeth.

The tape is strictly for sealing off the air so unless you are gagging on it or it isn't sealing right, I wouldn't touch it. On the non palate plate diaphragms you are relying on the size of the aluminum frame for fit.
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: hughjorgan on July 13, 2012, 04:15:49 PM: Guys that are just trying to learn might find this useful...

http://www.elknutforums.com/Hunting/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=72 (http://www.elknutforums.com/Hunting/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=72)
Title: Re: bugling for bulls with mouth reeds
Post by: oldcamper on July 13, 2012, 05:36:43 PM: Sounds like some good info, I am thinking of picking up elk call and all info helps.