Post by: DoubleJ on July 02, 2012, 10:35:46 PM
This is 150 yds from shooting sticks:
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Post by: huntnphool on July 02, 2012, 10:41:23 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on July 02, 2012, 10:41:51 PM
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 02, 2012, 10:51:03 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 02, 2012, 10:52:53 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 02, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
Post by: high country on July 03, 2012, 05:36:34 AM
Post by: 724wd on July 03, 2012, 07:18:19 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 03, 2012, 07:23:16 AM
My pard bought a few boxes to form in his 06'ai. That gun ripped a .2" group with them enough times to make me think they can't be all bad.
One would be hard pressed to top a .2 group with factory ammo. :tup:
Post by: buckfvr on July 03, 2012, 07:29:07 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 03, 2012, 08:40:23 AM
I hardly shoot factory ammo other than stuff I run through gas guns(AR's). I have noticed that factory Hornady Ammo has really improved over the years. Super Accurate out of my Grendel and Sig 716.
:yeah: If you reload your own stuff it makes a hell of a difference. I was shooting 180 fusions and switched to 180 Hornady SST with varget and I went from 2 inch groups to 0.2 or better (its hard to measure). If you want to go real cheap, Lee makes a hand press that can get you started for $30.
Post by: DoubleJ on July 03, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
And here I thought you were talking fletch.......
Rifle for bear and the boys' deer hunts. Gotta get it ready too
Post by: longrangekiller on July 03, 2012, 09:11:17 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 03, 2012, 09:20:03 AM
Accubond :tup:
I completely agree but, Accubond price :thumbs down:
Post by: longrangekiller on July 03, 2012, 09:21:21 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 03, 2012, 09:38:05 AM
Post by: huntnphool on July 03, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
My sako didn't shoot them well either.How many different weights did you try?
I'm surprised by a couple of you guys, thinking that you can go to a ammo section in a store, pick up one of the "many" boxes of shells surrounding you, shoot it and decide that the entire brand/model of round is crap for your gun. Well I've got news for you, every brand in the store is going to have models that shoot like crap out of your gun, it's your job to weed them out and find the model that shoots well.
Same goes for hand loading, just because you load it by hand does not necessarily mean it's going to perform the way you want it too, you need to experiment with different powder loads and bullet weights. To think you are going to walk in there and pick out the perfect match for your gun out of all the boxes sitting there is a bit optimistic don't you think?
Post by: Huntbear on July 03, 2012, 11:43:30 AM
My sako didn't shoot them well either.How many different weights did you try?
I'm surprised by a couple of you guys, thinking that you can go to a ammo section in a store, pick up one of the "many" boxes of shells surrounding you, shoot it and decide that the entire brand/model of round is crap for your gun. Well I've got news for you, every brand in the store is going to have models that shoot like crap out of your gun, it's your job to weed them out and find the model that shoots well.
Same goes for hand loading, just because you load it by hand does not necessarily mean it's going to perform the way you want it too, you need to experiment with different powder loads and bullet weights. To think you are going to walk in there and pick out the perfect match for your gun out of all the boxes sitting there is a bit optimistic don't you think?
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
I had a buddy did just that... bought a rifle, bought 2 boxes of Remington core-loks... damn thing shot patterns.... "had to be the gun" since his other gun shot those same rounds great.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: 400.00 later in "accurizing the gun", he finally listened to me because the damn core-loks still would not shoot in that gun.... bought some Federal Premium ammo... first 5 rounds were under a quarter at 100 yards.... :bash: :bash: :bash: I should have convinced him the gun was bad and offered him 200.00 for it.. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 03, 2012, 02:00:21 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 03, 2012, 04:15:54 PM
Post by: huntnphool on July 03, 2012, 04:23:06 PM
I'll just stick to the Accubonds at $29/box instead of paying $20-$22/box for who knows how many boxes to find a *cheaper* option.After all, how many rounds do you shoot out of it every year? One box will likely last you 5+ years if you store your rifle in a safe. Start a savings account cookie jar in your bedroom right now for your pocket change, I bet you can save the $2.00/year difference by the time it comes to purchase the next box. ;)
Post by: DoubleJ on July 03, 2012, 04:41:52 PM
I'll just stick to the Accubonds at $29/box instead of paying $20-$22/box for who knows how many boxes to find a *cheaper* option.After all, how many rounds do you shoot out of it every year? One box will likely last you 5+ years if you store your rifle in a safe. Start a savings account cookie jar in your bedroom right now for your pocket change, I bet you can save the $2.00/year difference by the time it comes to purchase the next box. ;)
About 4 boxes a year. 3 people shooting it.
Post by: huntnphool on July 03, 2012, 04:56:17 PM
Might be time to take up reloading. :twocents:I'll just stick to the Accubonds at $29/box instead of paying $20-$22/box for who knows how many boxes to find a *cheaper* option.After all, how many rounds do you shoot out of it every year? One box will likely last you 5+ years if you store your rifle in a safe. Start a savings account cookie jar in your bedroom right now for your pocket change, I bet you can save the $2.00/year difference by the time it comes to purchase the next box. ;)
About 4 boxes a year. 3 people shooting it.
Post by: DoubleJ on July 03, 2012, 05:07:41 PM
Might be time to take up reloading. :twocents:I'll just stick to the Accubonds at $29/box instead of paying $20-$22/box for who knows how many boxes to find a *cheaper* option.After all, how many rounds do you shoot out of it every year? One box will likely last you 5+ years if you store your rifle in a safe. Start a savings account cookie jar in your bedroom right now for your pocket change, I bet you can save the $2.00/year difference by the time it comes to purchase the next box. ;)
About 4 boxes a year. 3 people shooting it.
It's been long past that time. The wife won't authorize the initial outlay, even when shown the cost difference. She also doesn't want it going on in the house since it's "dangerous". You have to understand, I'm dealing with a woman who is farther left than anyone you can think of. She hasn't said it but I'm sure her stance is that, when I can't afford to buy ammo anymore, I should probably just sell the guns and quit hunting too.
Post by: Sawbuck on July 03, 2012, 05:48:46 PM
Post by: gaddy on July 03, 2012, 06:10:22 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 03, 2012, 06:31:42 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 03, 2012, 06:36:14 PM
I ran into the same thing you did a couple of years ago. Always shot 180 grain coreloks out of my .300win mag and they did great, then one year I started shooting all over the target. So I bought a box of partitions, and fusion, no good shot all over the board. So I went into Kesselrings gun shop and ask them what they thought. The guy sold me a copper cleaner and told me to use it like the directions said and then head back to the range. I figured that it wouldn't really help because I always kept my rifle clean with "shooters choice" a pretty good all in one cleaner. Anyway I figured I better listen to the expert and I tried it out. I was absolutely amazed at how many green patches I got, took me a week of letting it soak all night and cleaning it the next morning before I started getting white patches. I went back to the range and it made all the difference. The Coreloks shot ok, partitions did real poor, and the fusions did better than the coreloks. I've been using the fusions on mule deer and Federal trophy tip for elk. Long story short, make sure your rifle is clean.:tup: :tup: that copper cleaner is the sheet ..Huh ? used it for many years and use nothen but !! :twocents:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on July 03, 2012, 07:25:08 PM
My pard bought a few boxes to form in his 06'ai. That gun ripped a .2" group with them enough times to make me think they can't be all bad.
One would be hard pressed to top a .2 group with factory ammo. :tup:
A .2" group seems exceptional to me. escpecially from a 30 caliber where every shot should make a .3" hole in a paper target. :dunno:
Post by: high country on July 03, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
My pard bought a few boxes to form in his 06'ai. That gun ripped a .2" group with them enough times to make me think they can't be all bad.
One would be hard pressed to top a .2 group with factory ammo. :tup:
A .2" group seems exceptional to me. escpecially from a 30 caliber where every shot should make a .3" hole in a paper target. :dunno:
A .2" .308" group measures .508"......you are thinking in terms of gross.....groups are measured in nets.
One of those 150 fusions killed a bull at 350yds quite nicely too.
Post by: ellensburgpo on July 03, 2012, 08:38:36 PM
I have a Weatheby Vangard in 22/250 that hates every bullet I've ever feed it. Except for 50gr moly coated vmax bullet from Hornady. But with that bullet it is the second smallest grouping rifle I own. And the one that does better cost one whole heck of a lot more money.
I have no experience with the Fusion bullet, but federal is a top seller so I'm assuming they have their act somewhat together. And the ammo ive used of theirs will get the job done. I'd recommend trying the Fusion bullets in another gun sometime down the road.
Post by: TheSkyBuster on July 03, 2012, 09:21:51 PM
A .2" .308" group measures .508"......you are thinking in terms of gross.....groups are measured in nets.
Ah, I understand now. I had to use google for some help but now I get it. :tup: I have always measured the extreme spread for my group sizes.
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This is Awesome
I have been wondering for a long time how my "internet friends" could shoot .2" groups or .3 MOA out of big bore rifles.
I am so going to start Bragging about 1/4 MOA groups. :IBCOOL:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on July 03, 2012, 09:39:47 PM
Sorry for the thread jack BTW (Back to our regularly schedualed programming)
looking at the doubleJ's target the first thing I think of is the bullet not being stabilized but we are still guessing on the Caliber/ weight?
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 03, 2012, 10:19:43 PM
Oh yeah good point. I remember a guy on here asked for recommendation on a round for hunting and everyone was recommending a round that was too light for the twist he was shooting.
Sorry for the thread jack BTW (Back to our regularly schedualed programming)
looking at the doubleJ's target the first thing I think of is the bullet not being stabilized but we are still guessing on the Caliber/ weight?
SkyBuster, looks like your biggest group is 0.5 inch. :tup:
Post by: DoubleJ on July 03, 2012, 11:19:23 PM
HUH... WHAT ? What Cal. you shooting ? I rarely buy factory ammo BUT if I had to buy factory ammo it would be Fusions .. I shot them out of my .270 and my sons 25-06 and they shoot extremely tight groups ..One thing I have to say is this :dunno: :chuckle: if your trying to group bullets to brag to your friends about I recommend using a bench and sand bags ...Trying to hold tight groups from shooting sticks just is crazy and not counting the fact at 150 yrds ...All I know is my kid has used Fusions on 3 different deer and they layed them out .... :twocents:
Shooting a .308 Not grouping for bragging, I was grouping to make sure the rifle was tight for hunting. We use shooting sticks to hunt with so I used what we use in the field.