Post by: sticky on July 17, 2012, 08:50:47 AM
If you've owned or shot two out of three, I'd like any input you feel is pertinent. Thanks.
Post by: MichaelJ on July 17, 2012, 09:00:41 AM
The Savages are a great out of the box gun and you will be hard pressed to find a more accurate gun out of the box.
No experience with the Brownings, but I know I don't see anybody using them in any of the competitions we shoot...
Mike
Post by: LiveandLearn on July 17, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
Post by: AWS on July 17, 2012, 10:23:11 AM
Rem 700 a more pleasing look to them, lines flow from muzzle to butt. No Barrel Nut, no large bolt releasse on the side, a better feeling and looking stock design.
Savage 10/110 plus, the Barrel Nut making barrel changes a breeze, large bolt release making it easier to pull the bolt for cleaning, interchangable bolt head and Accutrigger. Minus, clubbier stock , lots of mold lines on the stock, softer stock material(synthetic) I have to hog out the barrel chanel to keep it from touching the barrel when shooting off a front rest .
I like to work on my guns and the Savage is easier to do.
I shot in a match this week end and shoot two Savages and a Rem all of them outperformed the operator.
Post by: MadHatter on July 17, 2012, 10:29:12 AM
The other one to take a look at would be Tikka. If you want something light that shoots great I would look into a T3... I have never had anyone that owns one say anything bad about them.
Just my :twocents: ...
If it is only between those three... I am, and always have been partial to the 700... But the Savage's are good shooting rifles as well. If you want a good rifle that you can shoot now and get good groups with, and then modify very easily later either one of those two would be a good choice. I have never heard much good about the Browning rifles... So I really can't comment either way on them.
Post by: sticky on July 17, 2012, 02:47:53 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 18, 2012, 10:00:34 PM
Post by: Bob33 on July 18, 2012, 10:11:38 PM
I have two Brownings and have no complaints. Of all my rifles, I just took a Browning 300 WSM to Africa and was very pleased with its performance.
Savage, Remington, Winchester, Sako / Tikka all make good rifles, and all make an occasional lemon. Unless you plan to shoot a lot, and shoot a longer distances I would make my decision based on other factors: cost, weight, magazine type, how well it feels on your shoulder, and so forth.
Post by: MadHatter on July 18, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
If you are not an exceptional, experienced shooter - most modern guns will outshoot the shooter with the right ammunition.
I have two Brownings and have no complaints. Of all my rifles, I just took a Browning 300 WSM to Africa and was very pleased with its performance.
Savage, Remington, Winchester, Sako / Tikka all make good rifles, and all make an occasional lemon. Unless you plan to shoot a lot, and shoot a longer distances I would make my decision based on other factors: cost, weight, magazine type, how well it feels on your shoulder, and so forth.
Great advise, same thing I tell people all the time... Although there is one more thing that I also take into consideration which is the availability of aftermarket parts. Having a Rem 700 I can go online, buy a new stock and install it to increase my accuracy without spending a fortune. Same is true for just about anything gun related though. Buy a Glock, there are 10000 holsters and just as many replacement parts. You buy a Stoeger and find your options are a lot more limited. Its nice to have the options out there to be able to upgrade things as you become a better shooter or want to get into a different discipline without having to buy another gun. Having a very competitive aftermarket helps to keep the prices lower, and gives you a ton of options for the future. :dunno:
Post by: MichaelJ on July 19, 2012, 09:25:43 AM
What are your goals for the gun? Are you the type of person that shoots their rifle once or three times over the summer and then hunts with it all fall?
Or are you the type that goes to the range a lot and could see yourself wanting to semi-customize the rifle down the road?
For 99% of the hunters out there, even the guys shooting long range, a 1 MOA gun is capable of most shots they might encounter (or should attempt). Most hunters can't hold <MOA on their point of aim at 400+ yards.
With that said however, I will say that long range shooting is all about reducing the margin of error. This involves much more than buying CDS dials from Leupold and zeroing your rifle at 100 yds and going out there and taking long-range shots on game. I would rather be shooting a 1MOA rifle with the appropriate weather station, MOA or MIL turrets, a quality ballistic calculator or pre-made dope cards for environmental condtions, than a fully custom <.25MOA rifle with a huskemaw scope for all hunting situations and conditions...
Mike
Post by: sticky on July 20, 2012, 10:28:42 AM
Post by: wraithen on July 20, 2012, 10:41:37 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 20, 2012, 10:44:31 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 20, 2012, 11:06:08 PM
Post by: wraithen on July 20, 2012, 11:09:45 PM
Post by: sticky on July 20, 2012, 11:18:04 PM
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Post by: madmack76 on July 20, 2012, 11:39:22 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 21, 2012, 07:15:05 AM
That's why I mentioned the military friend on base. 30 bucks flat rate ffl. I think when I'm gun shopping I'll have to venture to the east side. I still must see this bi-mart.
Better hurry! Stainless Rem700's with the factory scope package in 06, 7 Mag and 300Win Mag are on sale right now for 449.00.
Here is the add that came out Thur the 19th, not a bad price on the Henery lever .22 if you into that.
http://zoominlocal.com/bimart/July19_insert/#?page=4 (http://zoominlocal.com/bimart/July19_insert/#?page=4)
Post by: GEARHEAD on July 21, 2012, 09:46:46 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 21, 2012, 10:42:31 PM
"A good product sells itself" no need for tons of commercials telling you its the best. there is a reason the vast vast majority of custom guns and match guns are rocking a m700 action.:yeah:
I can't even count the forums that slam the M700 as the base for a dangerous game rifle. I get a kick out of it due to the fact our police, military and no such agencies have been hunting chit way more dangerous than stinking Cape Buffalo for a long time with M700 actions. :tup: :tup:
Post by: wraithen on July 22, 2012, 08:58:13 AM
Post by: Bob33 on July 22, 2012, 09:22:23 AM
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed (http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2012, 06:27:19 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 23, 2012, 06:57:39 PM
The dangerous game concern about the 700 has to do with its push feed mechanism. It is a topic of endless debate.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed (http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed)
I'll shoot charging cape buffalo all day with my 700's and the Buffalo can debate how well it worked in the after life. ;)
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 23, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
The dangerous game concern about the 700 has to do with its push feed mechanism. It is a topic of endless debate.This doesn't make sense to me. If your freaking out because a lion is charging you and you short cycle your control feed action, you just jammed your rifle.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed (http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed)
Post by: deerslyr on July 23, 2012, 09:28:27 PM
My Savage Model 16 Weather Warrior 6.5 Creedmore will be on the way soon. $699.99 from Gunbroker. Can't wait !!!
Lets us know how it works out! Awesome little round that does damage.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2012, 09:31:45 PM
My Savage Model 16 Weather Warrior 6.5 Creedmore will be on the way soon. $699.99 from Gunbroker. Can't wait !!!
Lets us know how it works out! Awesome little round that does damage.
I will. I might try shooting long range steel with it too ??!!
Post by: KimberRich on July 24, 2012, 02:13:49 PM
Post by: sticky on July 27, 2012, 08:48:59 AM
Thanks for the input fellas. I think I have changed my mind every day over this last week. But I do have a better idea of what I really need in a rifle. I shoot a lot, but not enough with my hunting rifle. I'm going to buy next week sometime, I'll post what I decided to get. I appreciate all the great advice.
Made the decision to buy yesterday. After reading countless articles and talking to several shooters I respect, I went with the Browning X-bolt in 30-06, topped with a Zeiss 3x9 Conquest scope. I had enough cash left in the budget to pick up a Pelican dbl rifle case. The deciding factors were the fit, finish, & trigger on the Browning; & the clarity of the Zeiss. The fact that the scope was a $100 discount didn't hurt either.
I picked up a couple boxes of Barnes VorTX to go with several other loads for the range once I get the rifle cleaned and lubed up. I'll let you guys know she shoots.
Post by: ksblazer on July 29, 2012, 09:40:51 PM
Give us a range report, when you get the chance :)