Post by: rebal69972 on July 22, 2012, 12:18:10 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 22, 2012, 12:28:55 AM
Post by: PolarBear on July 22, 2012, 01:38:06 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 22, 2012, 02:49:24 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 22, 2012, 08:20:06 AM
Now the the fun part is watching people take a crap rifle, frost it with a crap scope, rings and bases, stuff it with cheap crap fodder, then put a total long range Internet dumb azz expert as the driver/pilot.
Post by: h20hunter on July 22, 2012, 08:56:31 AM
Post by: Jim the Plumber on July 22, 2012, 09:27:11 AM
I'm starting now looking for a long range shooter. I know I want good power out to 900 yards or so, I'm not sure what calaber to go with or how to figure out what shoots best at long range. I know I don't need or really want a 50 cal and the wife would kill me when I went to buy ammo. Anyway what would you all say is the best rifle?With out looking into your background, how much time do you practice at distance? At all for that matter?
To purchase a 900 yard capable rifle off the shelf, thats getting easer than yesteryear. But it truly is the shooter.
It would help if you actually described what you want to do with the rifle at 900 or so yards.
Also if you are buying ammo for this rifle, you are going to be limited even more.
If you reload, options will go up, cost will go down, accuracy will go up, practice time should go up as well.
All that being said, for an off the shelf rifle look toward a 700 Remington in 300 WM in one of their heavy barrel models, then save up for some good glass.
Post by: rbros on July 22, 2012, 09:52:17 AM
The other option is to go full out and get a custom to start with setup to do the task at hand.
900yds doesn't require a cannon to do the job. Shot placement is key as stated above. Any of the larger 6.5's, 7 and 300 mags will do the job easily.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 22, 2012, 09:56:17 AM
I believe it is as Bhammer eluded to.....the driver is more important than the car. These days with bullet options and manufacturing abilities a 900 yard gun is simply not that exotic. A 900 yard shooter capable of making one shot kills at that range is another story. Most (me included) simply don't have the place or time to practice at that kind of range to become hunting profecient. The ability to hit steel at 900 is completely unrelated to ability to hit vitals in the field. However, if you have rifle and the time to work up the skill then have at it.
Bingo! I know plenty of guys that can ring steel all day but can't shoot hair or fur worth chit. Funny to see some of these guys post their long range shooting abilities when I have personally witnessed them totally botch 100 and 200 yard shots due to the fact they had a less than perfect field shooting position on a non static target with a pulse.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 22, 2012, 10:12:36 AM
http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/308-winchester-1.php (http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/308-winchester-1.php)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 22, 2012, 10:17:06 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 22, 2012, 10:22:19 AM
:chuckle: Here we go :chuckle: Note 600 yards and not 900. At 600 yards they fall into that 1800fps and 1000-1100 foot pounds of energy. Which is about the minimum on both one wants for hunting. add 300 yards on that and its not very pretty :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: Yeah.. I posted that one for you.
I agree if you are going to be shooting animals at 900 yards then the .338's fit the bill. For everything I will ever personally do in the lower 48 a .308 or .30-06 will fit the bill.....but then... I haven't rifle hunted for anything but coyote in 20 years.
I may try to make it over and do an Idaho whitetail rifle hunt this season.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 22, 2012, 10:24:27 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 22, 2012, 10:31:04 AM
:tup: Bouncing steel is one thing, putting a animal down clean is another. Nothing wrong with a 308, just drives me nuts when guys shoot steel at 1000 yards with them and then say they are a great long range hunting gun :chuckle:
I agree...a .308 is certainly no 1,000 yard hunting rifle.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 22, 2012, 10:31:51 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 22, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
Ishoot a sendero in 300 rum with a few modifications. It has a Burris fullfeild tac30 scope with good rings and bases. The optics are by no means nightforcr quality but I have tested going back and forth between 300 yards and 1000 yards settings and it tracks very well. I am shooting 215 grain Berger bullets at 2950. As said before it is mainly the driver... I am far from an expert but am progressing each time I shoot:tup: :tup: :tup: Thats what makes it work!
Post by: hillbilli on July 22, 2012, 10:50:54 AM
Post by: rbros on July 22, 2012, 11:15:02 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 22, 2012, 11:35:29 AM
I have killed plenty of animals at 500 to 600 but never shot at 1000, but I am wanting to set up a 300 RUM or a 30/378 for longer range shooting.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 22, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on July 22, 2012, 11:46:33 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 22, 2012, 11:49:06 AM
If you go with a vx3 LR or a mark 4 they work very well. I am ordering another VX3 LR 8.5-25X50 to go on this new gun. I have 3 of them and they all track true. I also like the 6.5-20x50 for a long shooter.
Thanks Matt, I figured as much but wanted to double check with someone. I have a property that has targets all set up from 400 out to 1000. The military practices there, I have permission to use the targets so figured I should take advantage. :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 22, 2012, 11:51:13 AM
Post by: rbros on July 22, 2012, 12:04:54 PM
If you go with a vx3 LR or a mark 4 they work very well. I am ordering another VX3 LR 8.5-25X50 to go on this new gun. I have 3 of them and they all track true. I also like the 6.5-20x50 for a long shooter.
Thanks Matt, I figured as much but wanted to double check with someone. I have a property that has targets all set up from 400 out to 1000. The military practices there, I have permission to use the targets so figured I should take advantage. :tup:
Sounds like the area Carl Taylor uses for his training and matches. If it is, what a place to practice!
Post by: bearpaw on July 22, 2012, 12:08:40 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 22, 2012, 12:10:17 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on July 22, 2012, 12:16:43 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 22, 2012, 12:26:08 PM
Dale I have a wby 30-378 accumark and a custom 378-338 both have the 6.5 to 20 by 50mm leopold on them and then I had leopold put the bullet drop dials on them and I think they work really well and we shot at water jugs out to 1000 and ones the yardages are set it works then on the side of the gun I have a lamenated strip that has the numbers for my yardages.
All my longer range type guns have the holdover out to 600 taped on the stocks. :chuckle:
I have 1 Leupold VXIII scope with Butler Creek dials on it. But I am thinking of pulling the trigger on a new Leupold like Matt mentioned with the factory dials, only maybe a 40mm unless that is not a good idea. Do they have to be 50mm for long range shooting? Those big 50mm scopes are tough to get in and out of scaboards.
Post by: bearpaw on July 22, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
What about the .300 WSM ???
That's a good caliber, I think some of the others have an edge, but the WSM will do the trick. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on July 22, 2012, 01:03:12 PM
I'm starting now looking for a long range shooter. I know I want good power out to 900 yards or so, I'm not sure what calaber to go with or how to figure out what shoots best at long range. I know I don't need or really want a 50 cal and the wife would kill me when I went to buy ammo. Anyway what would you all say is the best rifle?
But just think how much fun it would be to play around with a 50. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 22, 2012, 01:06:19 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 22, 2012, 01:08:05 PM
I'm starting now looking for a long range shooter. I know I want good power out to 900 yards or so, I'm not sure what calaber to go with or how to figure out what shoots best at long range. I know I don't need or really want a 50 cal and the wife would kill me when I went to buy ammo. Anyway what would you all say is the best rifle?
But just think how much fun it would be to play around with a 50. :chuckle:
I'll take a big .338 over a .50 any day when it comes to big game hunting.
Post by: bearpaw on July 22, 2012, 01:12:08 PM
Post by: BullMagnet76 on July 22, 2012, 01:19:24 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 22, 2012, 01:29:04 PM
The 300 RUM is sweet and will do anything that you want it too. You can buy a Rem 700 BDL just for the action, buy a Krieger barrel, get a custom stock and a Jewell trigger, blue print the action. It is a cheaper way to build your own custom long range gun. And if you want to go a little bit further you could get a poor mans Lapua, with the 338 RUM, it is only a little slower than the Lapua and it uses the same action as the 300 RUM.
Poor mans Lapua my hindend! The .338 Ultra is faster than the Lapua and the edge is slightly faster than the Ultra with the 300 gr bullets. All the Lapua has is the factory brass by Lapua, the Lapua is not faster than the .338 Ultra Magnum. A guy who has the dedication to match prep factory Remington brass for his .338 Ultra doesn't need a "Lapua" head stamp. I learned that years ago with several heavy .300 Win Mags I had built. My match prepped Winchester brass shot side by side in my .300 Win Mags with a " Lapua " headstamp.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 22, 2012, 01:45:26 PM
Post by: BullMagnet76 on July 22, 2012, 04:14:53 PM
The 300 RUM is sweet and will do anything that you want it too. You can buy a Rem 700 BDL just for the action, buy a Krieger barrel, get a custom stock and a Jewell trigger, blue print the action. It is a cheaper way to build your own custom long range gun. And if you want to go a little bit further you could get a poor mans Lapua, with the 338 RUM, it is only a little slower than the Lapua and it uses the same action as the 300 RUM.
Poor mans Lapua my hindend! The .338 Ultra is faster than the Lapua and the edge is slightly faster than the Ultra with the 300 gr bullets. All the Lapua has is the factory brass by Lapua, the Lapua is not faster than the .338 Ultra Magnum. A guy who has the dedication to match prep factory Remington brass for his .338 Ultra doesn't need a "Lapua" head stamp. I learned that years ago with several heavy .300 Win Mags I had built. My match prepped Winchester brass shot side by side in my .300 Win Mags with a " Lapua " headstamp.
My bad, I was always told that the 338 RUM was about 200 fps slower, I do not have any experience with the Lapua. My long range gun is a custom Rem 700 in the 300 Win mag. caliber. I just say that the 338 RUM is the poor mans Lapua because the ammo and rifles are a bit cheaper.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 22, 2012, 04:35:17 PM
The 300 RUM is sweet and will do anything that you want it too. You can buy a Rem 700 BDL just for the action, buy a Krieger barrel, get a custom stock and a Jewell trigger, blue print the action. It is a cheaper way to build your own custom long range gun. And if you want to go a little bit further you could get a poor mans Lapua, with the 338 RUM, it is only a little slower than the Lapua and it uses the same action as the 300 RUM.
Poor mans Lapua my hindend! The .338 Ultra is faster than the Lapua and the edge is slightly faster than the Ultra with the 300 gr bullets. All the Lapua has is the factory brass by Lapua, the Lapua is not faster than the .338 Ultra Magnum. A guy who has the dedication to match prep factory Remington brass for his .338 Ultra doesn't need a "Lapua" head stamp. I learned that years ago with several heavy .300 Win Mags I had built. My match prepped Winchester brass shot side by side in my .300 Win Mags with a " Lapua " headstamp.
My bad, I was always told that the 338 RUM was about 200 fps slower, I do not have any experience with the Lapua. My long range gun is a custom Rem 700 in the 300 Win mag. caliber. I just say that the 338 RUM is the poor mans Lapua because the ammo and rifles are a bit cheaper.
A rifle build is a rifle build nothing cheaper about one or the other with the same components. Cost exactly the same to load for when your running Nosler Custom .338 RUM brass at 2.24 a piece, not counting the shipping. So if you sit down and do the math let's say at a 1500 round barrel life the .338 Lapua or the Ultra Magnum Are going to cost you close to 2200.00-2500.00 in components powder, bullet, brass and primers to shoot out that first chambering. Thats using a Berger 300 gr Hybrid and figuring 5 firings per piece of brass.
Bargain shooting the big magnums is almost non existent unless a guy scores a smoking deal on bulk components.
Also when it comes to guys shooting the Nosler Accubond 250's it would be better to shooting the Nosler 225's. With their BC and the added velocity. Shooting a 250 is taking a step back.
Post by: rebal69972 on July 23, 2012, 11:23:55 PM
Sorry this is so random I tried to answer in order
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 24, 2012, 12:19:39 AM
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Post by: Biggerhammer on July 24, 2012, 01:18:52 PM
I own a 338 win and can tell you the 225gr accubonds do hold an edge over the 250gr like hammer said. Im one of the guys that can hit steel well but if you throw a heart beat in the target you can call it dead. Im not saying that steel isnt great for practic but if you always shoot in perfect conditions youll never perform in the field. Find a cal that you can handle has the energy needed and start shooting. Know your limits, learn to read the wind and other conditions because at that range it can make a wounded animal over a dead one. The big 30-338 cals would be the best bet form what Ive learned. Longest shot ive taken on a living target was a coyote at over 500yds with a 223. Know your gun bullet and ability.
Here's a sexy box of 225gr .338 Nosler Accubonds that showed up from Shootersproshop yesterday. Now that's what I call, one fun box!!!! ;) :tup:
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Post by: wraithen on July 24, 2012, 01:26:00 PM
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Post by: demontang on July 25, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
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Post by: Biggerhammer on July 25, 2012, 01:12:25 PM
7mm short action ultra mag, with the proper load it is very deadly at long range, it still packs plenty of energy to tbone somethn at 900 yds, the biggest thing is practice, practice and more practice, minutes of wind come in to play alot....... :twocents:
Any of the 7mm's launching the heavier VLD bullets are a serious contender at distance, 190 Matrix, 189 & 177 Cauterucio's. They performed well in my 30" 7mm WSM.
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Post by: rebal69972 on July 25, 2012, 01:32:09 PM
Post by: jackmaster on July 25, 2012, 02:04:49 PM
i figure what ever rifle I end up getting i will spent every extra second i have shooting. I'm not the type of person that sights in the weekend before season. i know the long part of this will be getting the right load, that is after getting the rifle.what you said is 100% correct but one thing people forget about and i dont know what kind of long range experience you have but when you shoot long distance especially, every little thing you do affect the impact, in the military we use to do dime exercises to get you use to the trigger and then breathing is probbaly the biggest factor with trigger squezze that one has to master before shootn long range, my furthest shot was 4580ft at a basketball size rock i hit it 2 times out of 2 shots, it was so much fun, and it really makes you respect how good equipment can be when set up the right way.....good luck to ya sir
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Post by: coachcw on July 26, 2012, 06:42:55 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 26, 2012, 08:42:58 AM
I saw a good topic on cold barrell shoot last night on ch406 . a clean cold bore will throw a bullet off a ton at longer distances , so remember when hunting a slightly foulled barrel is a good idea . For me it will be a 6.5x284 with a break I want to see impact through the scope . 140 vld !Why? (I have never noticed this problem)
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 09:07:07 AM
I saw a good topic on cold barrell shoot last night on ch406 . a clean cold bore will throw a bullet off a ton at longer distances , so remember when hunting a slightly foulled barrel is a good idea . For me it will be a 6.5x284 with a break I want to see impact through the scope . 140 vld !Why? (I have never noticed this problem)
Then you've lived a sheltered firearms life. ;)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2012, 09:16:54 AM
Post by: Miles on July 26, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
I saw a good topic on cold barrell shoot last night on ch406 . a clean cold bore will throw a bullet off a ton at longer distances , so remember when hunting a slightly foulled barrel is a good idea . For me it will be a 6.5x284 with a break I want to see impact through the scope . 140 vld !
Not sure a break is needed to see the impact using that caliber?
I can see the impact with my swede and no break.
Post by: LiveandLearn on July 26, 2012, 09:45:52 AM
I have argued that topic several hundred times with people. I have clients shoe up with fresh newly cleaned barrels ready to go hunting. I always make people shoot them before we hunt. Most of my guns will throw a bullet from a clean bore. Maybe not enough to be a problem at 200 yards or less but still off the mark.:yeah:
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
I saw a good topic on cold barrell shoot last night on ch406 . a clean cold bore will throw a bullet off a ton at longer distances , so remember when hunting a slightly foulled barrel is a good idea . For me it will be a 6.5x284 with a break I want to see impact through the scope . 140 vld !
Not sure a break is needed to see the impact using that caliber?
I can see the impact with my swede and no break.
I always shoot on my highest power setting, usually 20x plus. When I have time to set up on a animal at distance. On the higher power setting the field of view is smaller. It takes less recoil to loose a complete sight picture due to recoil with higher magnification. I have been and always will be a huge supporter of muzzle brakes, they just make everything more comfortable, recoil, sight picture etc. They are a huge plus when you are by yourself spotting your own shots, especially Rockchucks at distance. When it comes to hunting, recoil and the noise of the muzzle brake seam to not even matter in the moment of shooting a big game animal, if a shot has to be taken without hearing protection. Which is very rare, here in Central WA 99 percent of our big game shots are 300 yards plus, most often than not there is time to use hearing protection. I use a light weight set of electronic muffs that I just keep on my head above my ears and pull them down when it's "GO" time.
Some times when the ground is wet and distance shots are involved, you don't get a dust cloud signature at distance from impact and with a brake it is nice to watch your bullet flight path at distance from it contrail, you can watch the bullet track clean to the target and make corrections quicker. The 6.5-284 with a brake is one SEXY, capable, smooth shooting rifle.
Lower power scopes for me are a handicap it big open country when your trying to put points on a buck or confirm a true spike 300 yards or more out. Not all hunting situation allow you to get a spotting scope into the game before a call has to be made to make the shot. At 20x your aiming at that "Spot" not the animal, at 9x at 300 plus. The aim is more at a portion of the animal, rather than the "Spot". Different hunting situations require different equipment, timber Vs semi-desert etc.
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Post by: jaymark6655 on July 26, 2012, 07:03:46 PM
I saw a good topic on cold barrell shoot last night on ch406 . a clean cold bore will throw a bullet off a ton at longer distances , so remember when hunting a slightly foulled barrel is a good idea . For me it will be a 6.5x284 with a break I want to see impact through the scope . 140 vld !Why? (I have never noticed this problem)
Then you've lived a sheltered firearms life. ;)
Not sheltered, maybe it has to do with how I clean it. I asked why, because I was wondering if it had to do with some people leaving oil in the barrel instead of running patches until it was completely dry.