Post by: KenPCPilot on July 24, 2012, 10:13:41 AM
Post by: ELKBURGER on July 24, 2012, 12:52:22 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 24, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on July 24, 2012, 12:57:48 PM
You can get your money back pretty quick with a single stage press
Post by: elkoholic1 on July 24, 2012, 01:04:25 PM
Federal Prem. With accubonds..
:yeah:
Post by: WSU on July 24, 2012, 01:11:16 PM
Federal Prem. With accubonds..
These bullets were accurate out of my .300 mag rem 700.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 24, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on July 24, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
Post by: Bofire on July 24, 2012, 05:52:51 PM
Carl
Post by: 300rum on July 24, 2012, 06:07:52 PM
I reload and couldn't match factory after I did this with my rifles. In the long run it is way cheaper. I have a Remington 700 that clover leafs at 100yds, everything touching with Winchester Supreme. I came nowhere near that with Corelokts, Remington's premium gold box, Hornady, Federal or Nosler. Every rifle I have done this on, there is a clear winner.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 24, 2012, 07:02:00 PM
What I am about to tell you is terribly expensive but worth every penny. Don't worry about manufacture, they are all good enough. Don't get into which bullet is better blah, blah, blah. Buy 5 or so boxes from the different major manufacturers and shoot five shot groups (off a rest or prone, bagged in) say at 100 or even 200 yards (I like 200yds), cleaning after each 5-shot group. Don't worry about who wins, just buy whatever is better with the same lot number if you can still find it. I will be different for each rifle that you own. Give away or sell the other ammo that you didn't use, you will be happy you did.
I reload and couldn't match factory after I did this with my rifles. In the long run it is way cheaper. I have a Remington 700 that clover leafs at 100yds, everything touching with Winchester Supreme. I came nowhere near that with Corelokts, Remington's premium gold box, Hornady, Federal or Nosler. Every rifle I have done this on, there is a clear winner.
You might want to go at your accuracy testing a little different. If your cleaning after each 5 shot group and then shooting another five shot group for accuracy and so on. Then it is highly probable that your not seeing your rifles true potential. I know that most of my custom barrels need 1-5 five rounds just to settle in after a cleaning at 100 yards that may not seam much to some but it matters at distance. I usually do my accuracy testing at 300 and you can watch the groups settle down after the first 1-3 rounds out of a clean barrel. I have very few barrels and have had in the past very few barrels that shoot the exact same point of impact clean as they are fouled. I have a 11 twist .300 Win mag with a Mike Rock barrel that shoots lights out no matter what and it's a rarity in the most part. Factory barrels are even more temperamental.
I always leave the range or my shooting session with 5 plus rounds or so on my barrel and that's how it goes to the field.
Post by: longrangekiller on July 24, 2012, 07:04:05 PM
Federal Prem. With accubonds..
These bullets were accurate out of my .300 mag rem 700.
:yeah:
Post by: 300rum on July 24, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
What I am about to tell you is terribly expensive but worth every penny. Don't worry about manufacture, they are all good enough. Don't get into which bullet is better blah, blah, blah. Buy 5 or so boxes from the different major manufacturers and shoot five shot groups (off a rest or prone, bagged in) say at 100 or even 200 yards (I like 200yds), cleaning after each 5-shot group. Don't worry about who wins, just buy whatever is better with the same lot number if you can still find it. I will be different for each rifle that you own. Give away or sell the other ammo that you didn't use, you will be happy you did.
I reload and couldn't match factory after I did this with my rifles. In the long run it is way cheaper. I have a Remington 700 that clover leafs at 100yds, everything touching with Winchester Supreme. I came nowhere near that with Corelokts, Remington's premium gold box, Hornady, Federal or Nosler. Every rifle I have done this on, there is a clear winner.
You might want to go at your accuracy testing a little different. If your cleaning after each 5 shot group and then shooting another five shot group for accuracy and so on. Then it is highly probable that your not seeing your rifles true potential. I know that most of my custom barrels need 1-5 five rounds just to settle in after a cleaning at 100 yards that may not seam much to some but it matters at distance. I usually do my accuracy testing at 300 and you can watch the groups settle down after the first 1-3 rounds out of a clean barrel. I have very few barrels and have had in the past very few barrels that shoot the exact same point of impact clean as they are fouled. I have a 11 twist .300 Win mag with a Mike Rock barrel that shoots lights out no matter what and it's a rarity in the most part. Factory barrels are even more temperamental.
I always leave the range or my shooting session with 5 plus rounds or so on my barrel and that's how it goes to the field.
Post by: bearpaw on July 24, 2012, 07:36:23 PM
I shoot factory ammo and have tried Winchester, Remington Core-loct and Scirrocos so far. The Scirrocos seem to have the best grouping consistency. I use this for hunting bear. At $50.00 a box it can get real expensive experimenting with ammo. I would appreciate any feed back on what ammo has been a consistent performer. I am thinking about trying a box of Barnes since it is advertised to keep most of it weight and integrity on impact.
I think bear are one of the tougher animals in the 48 states. I like Barnes real well, but I would try grouping them in your rifle then you will know if they are a good choice. There is truth that not all guns like all bullets.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 24, 2012, 07:39:27 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 24, 2012, 07:47:52 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 24, 2012, 07:49:19 PM
The etip by nosler is really working well for me in my 300 win mag. I have flattened 2 bears with them the last 2 years. They are a solid like the Barnes and hit hard and hold up extremely well.
I keep checking Noslers Shootersproshop to catch a smoking deal on a over run of the E-Tip but no luck so far.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 24, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
discussing bullets is just like discussing the best auto brands :chuckle:
I'll shoot pretty much anything if need be but I have my preferences. :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 24, 2012, 07:52:09 PM
They have a few new items that I think some people might be happy with for 2013 :hello:
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 24, 2012, 08:21:15 PM
Hammer I talked to my buddy there yesterday. They are smashed and so far in the negtive on a ton of stuff. I have about 12 things to order and they only had 3 of them in stock!!! I said piss on it and he said he would start sneeking me a box here or there so I can have some for this year :chuckle:
They have a few new items that I think some people might be happy with for 2013 :hello:
Must be nice having on guy on the "Inside" with Nosler! :tup: Did you tell him I need a .458 Accubond, preferably 370 grains or so? :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 24, 2012, 08:26:52 PM
Post by: Bob33 on July 24, 2012, 08:29:35 PM
There is just no way around it. Guns are like most people: finicky. You must ask your gun what it likes, and obey. :twocents:
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 24, 2012, 09:00:03 PM
Here is my opinion: you are asking people a question they cannot adequately answer. The only one who can tell you what ammunition your gun will shoot well is...your gun. What shoots well in one gun may, or may not shoot well in another, even an identical make and model.
There is just no way around it. Guns are like most people: finicky. You must ask your gun what it likes, and obey. :twocents:
Fact of the matter is, pretty much any factory ammo is going to shoot MOA of deer when it comes to a typical hunting cenerio.
Post by: Bob33 on July 24, 2012, 09:09:06 PM
Yes, even with a clean barrel.Here is my opinion: you are asking people a question they cannot adequately answer. The only one who can tell you what ammunition your gun will shoot well is...your gun. What shoots well in one gun may, or may not shoot well in another, even an identical make and model.
There is just no way around it. Guns are like most people: finicky. You must ask your gun what it likes, and obey. :twocents:
Fact of the matter is, pretty much any factory ammo is going to shoot MOA of deer when it comes to a typical hunting cenerio.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 24, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
Yes, even with a clean barrel.Here is my opinion: you are asking people a question they cannot adequately answer. The only one who can tell you what ammunition your gun will shoot well is...your gun. What shoots well in one gun may, or may not shoot well in another, even an identical make and model.
There is just no way around it. Guns are like most people: finicky. You must ask your gun what it likes, and obey. :twocents:
Fact of the matter is, pretty much any factory ammo is going to shoot MOA of deer when it comes to a typical hunting cenerio.
Yep, slinging a bullet at a deer size target is a whole different ball game than accuracy testing, that's a fact. Clean barrel or not. :chuckle:
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on July 24, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
I shoot factory ammo and have tried Winchester, Remington Core-loct and Scirrocos so far. The Scirrocos seem to have the best grouping consistency. I use this for hunting bear. At $50.00 a box it can get real expensive experimenting with ammo. I would appreciate any feed back on what ammo has been a consistent performer. I am thinking about trying a box of Barnes since it is advertised to keep most of it weight and integrity on impact.Product Number: FAP300WT1
Web Product Title: 300 WN MAG TROPHY BONDED 200GR
Item Price:
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• Caliber: .300 Winchester Magnum
• Grain: 200gr
• Bullet Style: Trophy Bonded® Bear Claw
• 20 Rounds per Box
Developed by Jack Carter in 1985, this bullet sets the absolute standard for bullet performance. It's ideal for either medium or large dangerous game and features a solid shank and bonded core for reliable expansion at any range. With 95% weight retention and a whole host of fans, the TBBC is trusted in the most harrowing situations.
You spend all year dreaming of the moment of truth—why trust it to anything less than the best. Vital-Shok is available with the world's finest big game bullets, from the unrivaled Trophy Bonded® family to Nosler®, Sierra® and Barnes®. Match that with world-class brass, select powders and legendary primers and you get ammunition you can truly believe in.
FEDERAL PREMIUM® VITAL-SHOK® - .300 WIN. MAG 200GR TROPHY BONDED BEAR CLAW 20/BOX : 300 WN MAG TROPHY BONDED 200GR :bfg: Also look into Speer Deep Curl I think Federal offers them in their Premium loads. If you want to save allot $ I could be willing to load some if you get the components. I have the skill and the equipment. :tup:
Ken, I have tried 3-4 times to pm & e-mail you about the Elk and Bear hunt share in Aug. I dont know if any of them reached you because I have gotten no response. If the offer is still available I'm available and can commit the time. Shhot me a call if you want to discuss the details or have a meeting. Mike @ 425-314-2252 thanks.
Post by: Huntbear on July 25, 2012, 08:40:44 AM
I reload and couldn't match factory after I did this with my rifles.
Not quite sure about your reloading techniques, but my reloads will shoot circles around factory loads, AND I get the bullet I want and the velocity I want... And it is a helluva lot cheaper than factory loads... instead of $2-3.50 a round, I am down around a $1.20 a round for even my .338 WM, even cheaper on my handgun loads.. closer to .25 a round.
With the added benefit of not having a bunch of crappy factory stuff laying around..
Post by: C-Money on July 25, 2012, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: 300rum on July 25, 2012, 10:01:18 AM
Pistol on the other hand, is entirely different. .223 in high volumes is different as I shoot it in high volumes. In my opinion the average Joe who wants to hunt deer and elk is better off just finding the right factory ammo that shoots best in his rifle.
I reload and couldn't match factory after I did this with my rifles.
Not quite sure about your reloading techniques, but my reloads will shoot circles around factory loads, AND I get the bullet I want and the velocity I want... And it is a helluva lot cheaper than factory loads... instead of $2-3.50 a round, I am down around a $1.20 a round for even my .338 WM, even cheaper on my handgun loads.. closer to .25 a round.
With the added benefit of not having a bunch of crappy factory stuff laying around..
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 25, 2012, 11:33:56 AM
I reload and couldn't match factory after I did this with my rifles.
Not quite sure about your reloading techniques, but my reloads will shoot circles around factory loads, AND I get the bullet I want and the velocity I want... And it is a helluva lot cheaper than factory loads... instead of $2-3.50 a round, I am down around a $1.20 a round for even my .338 WM, even cheaper on my handgun loads.. closer to .25 a round.
With the added benefit of not having a bunch of crappy factory stuff laying around..
Hahaha! I love it!
Crappy factory. SISSY stuff! Wahooooo! :tup:
Saw a box of Weatherby .338-378 Weatherby ammo yesterday. 20 cartridges to the box, loaded with 250gr Barnes Tripple Shocks. 151.00 bucks a box. I was confused for a second, I thought hell of a price tag for a box of SISSY factory ammo, but what a Macho, crusher of a round to have to stuff in a piece of crap, free bore slumming, nasty ass Weatherby rifle. :chuckle: