Post by: xXLojackXx on August 07, 2012, 10:11:12 AM
Post by: JohnVH on August 07, 2012, 10:19:34 AM
Post by: h20hunter on August 07, 2012, 10:23:08 AM
Post by: Goldeneye on August 07, 2012, 10:30:29 AM
Clean miss is better than a mild wound and a run off bear. Keep at it and maybe you will get him. Good luck.
Agreed, clean miss is better than wounded and lost. Your title made me think this was a wounded and lost story. He's still in the area. He'll probably stay in the thick stuff more now during daylight hours.
Post by: NWBREW on August 07, 2012, 10:33:33 AM
shooting up or downhill changes your POI
Really?
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 07, 2012, 10:38:55 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 07, 2012, 10:44:39 AM
Post by: jackmaster on August 07, 2012, 10:58:44 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 07, 2012, 11:11:27 AM
Post by: shedkid on August 07, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Post by: Bushcraft on August 07, 2012, 11:18:38 AM
I'd encourage you to do two things:
1. Buy a decent ballistics application like Shooter and play around with the inputs like velocity, look angle, WIND, baro pressure, altitude, etc. This will help give you a better understanding of what your trajectory and windage will be like under different conditions.
2. Practice shooting in real world conditions. I like to go out into some steep country and shoot at small fist sized rocks that are in the middle of dirt patchs that are a little damp. Understanding what you need to do as a shooter under varying distances and look angles (and wind) will help you become a better, more confident and ethical hunter.
Once you combine the technical knowledge and real world practice, a 300 yard shot in all but the windiest conditions is a relatively easy poke with decent equipment and you won't run nearly as great a risk of wounding an animal.
EDIT: Maybe you already know how valuable this can be, and I don't mean to come across like I'm berating you or anything, but I thought I'd throw it out there for people that might be reading this and are new to the sometimes unintuitive aspects of shooting uphill or downhill.
Regards,
Allen
Post by: xXLojackXx on August 07, 2012, 03:01:15 PM
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Post by: jaymark6655 on August 07, 2012, 06:10:57 PM
Hope you get another shot.
Post by: Cap.Silver on August 07, 2012, 06:18:27 PM
Post by: saylean on August 07, 2012, 06:25:29 PM
Post by: xXLojackXx on August 07, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
Did the math with that range and that elevation change it would be like taking a shot at 292 yards. So if he aimed a little high, thinking about possible drop then bullet could have went right over bears back. If he aimed at the normal kill zone, probably would of had a dead bear.
Hope you get another shot.
I aimed about 3 inches below his back thinking it would have dropped into his lungs. Next time I'll aim for lungs :)
Post by: ribka on August 07, 2012, 07:20:41 PM
Clean misses are awesome. They make for good stories....I know Ive been humbled one or twice. Better luck next time bud.:tup:
Post by: Helix on August 07, 2012, 07:52:18 PM
Sorry my calc was for 300 yd laser range 125 yd rise. Went back and saw 318 laser range so it was just a bit longer. Bottom line is you always will aim lower than your laser range shooting either up or down hill. A squared + B squared =c squared.
Post by: Bushcraft on August 07, 2012, 08:20:07 PM
Post by: Helix on August 07, 2012, 08:36:47 PM
Right, but wouldn't 318 and 125 come out to be 292ish yds? How did you get 272?
Used 300
Post by: xXLojackXx on August 07, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 08, 2012, 08:07:41 AM
I need to get rid of the Leica i borrowed from a buddy and snag my dads Leupold TBR range finder. I hate trying to get an educated guess on true ballistic yardage when shooting at animals..that's like going from a ferarri to a ford Taurus... if its a very steep shot at reasonable ranges I have found that cutting 10% will be very close. Cut less the closer to horizontal it is. Besides there is not that much difference in drops from 290 to 320 yards... maybe 2-3 inches Max.
it sucks that you missed but that is a good learning experience. Keep after it and get that bear!
Post by: jaymark6655 on August 08, 2012, 09:10:41 AM
Post by: jackmaster on August 08, 2012, 10:35:57 AM
Post by: xXLojackXx on August 08, 2012, 03:59:33 PM
Post by: h20hunter on August 08, 2012, 04:10:32 PM
Post by: atc250r18 on August 08, 2012, 04:26:22 PM
I just calculated the actual distance guesstimating a 45 degree slope (it was pretty steep), it calculated out at 407 yards, I would have missed completely if I would have held for 400. I'm gunna take a trip over and actually range it without the angle compensation turned on to get an idea of how much I would have been off.