Post by: blacktailer on August 13, 2012, 08:42:37 AM
Post by: hunterrcc on August 13, 2012, 11:25:12 PM
This is what happens when big bull pictures get posted on here... Poachers yes Poachers dumb *censored* who don't have rights to shoot animals on Hanford go on there and shoot them for whatever reason maybe money or the fact that they want to rub it in others faces that they shot all the monsters out of the herd because we owe it to them. Don't get me started or I will get kicked off here because I offend someones feelings or race!
SO PLEASE DON'T POST PICTURES UP HERE OF THEM BECAUSE I WOULD ENJOY HAVING BIG BULLS STILL IN HANFORD THAT IS WHAT IS LEFT OF THEM! drive out there and find them yourself if you want to see them.
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Post by: Dan-o on August 13, 2012, 11:27:04 PM
Post by: RadSav on August 13, 2012, 11:41:51 PM
Seriously, I never heard about the Hanford bulls getting poached. I think I'd have heard of it...... :dunno:
:yeah: Not that I search out information on such things. But, I'm a little surprised I didn't hear of that either. I'd be interested in seeing the article or post if you have a link hunterrcc.
Post by: hunterrcc on August 13, 2012, 11:45:44 PM
Here is one of them somebody on here posted... Don't know this guy that posted it or if the story is true but know that this bull was not on legal ground to shoot it! I know they shot a few of the bigger ones from cell phone pictures from a few different buddies that know some of the poachers that shot them.
Believe me or not but I do know for a fact a few of the bigger bulls were shot from Hanford. No *censored*
Seriously, I never heard about the Hanford bulls getting poached. I think I'd have heard of it...... :dunno:
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Post by: RadSav on August 14, 2012, 12:14:13 AM
Post by: hunterrcc on August 14, 2012, 12:31:09 AM
All I have to say is Karma is a bitch I hope though elk were in the Nuclear area eating green glowing grass just before they killed them!!!
Thank you for the link. I did see that one before. I just did not know that guy was found to be an illegal hunter.
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Post by: RadSav on August 14, 2012, 12:50:40 AM
I still like seeing the pictures. I don't care where they are taken I just like to see pictures of big elk.
Post by: buglebuster on August 14, 2012, 05:41:45 AM
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 08:05:51 AM
Post by: KopperBuck on August 14, 2012, 08:22:35 AM
I like seeing pictures of them. Just like any other animal. Sorry you feel the way you do, but the lack of pictures isn't going to decrease bad behavior in this instance, by any party, race, individual, what have you.
Post by: 92xj on August 14, 2012, 08:47:51 AM
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 09:04:53 AM
I agree with hunterrcc on this one though. Yes they're awesome to see but posting pics of them might just make them a Target for someone.
Post by: KopperBuck on August 14, 2012, 09:31:07 AM
I won't post any masher bull pics - so here's a link of pics from this weekend that oughta make everyone a little warm and fuzzy. At least until they get a couple years under them.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=103127.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=103127.0)
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 09:43:26 AM
Post by: fly4fish on August 14, 2012, 10:03:50 AM
I ran into a guy as I was out scouting one august who said he had just shot a big muley and was now out looking for a whitetail or an even bigger muley his daughter just missed the other day. He was heading to the Blues a couple days later to hunt elk, but first he new where some were in Idaho. He said he had shot 15 bighorn rams in Hell's canyon over the last 20 years with one scoring 198 and several others in the mid to low 190s. His daughter shot the largest bighorn ram taken by a women in the world, but it could not be entered due to the lack of a tag, although it was 100% legal. I saw a picture of the blues bull he rifle shot in September a few months later; it scored 390". When I asked what his trophy room looked like, he said he had gotten rid of all of them ($$$$$$?)
He is out blasting away at animals with his rifle while all I can do is scout for the archery season, kind of aggravating.
Post by: KopperBuck on August 14, 2012, 10:08:01 AM
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 10:29:17 AM
Fly that's just plain horrible. If you don't want to hang up your kill and be proud of it then why shoot big bulls and bucks? If its strictly only for meat then shoot does and cows. Just because they can shoot whatever whenever doesnt mean they should. If everyone could do it then there wouldn't be *censored* for hunting in this state..
Post by: boneaddict on August 14, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 14, 2012, 10:39:33 AM
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 10:41:55 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 14, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on August 14, 2012, 10:50:49 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 14, 2012, 11:01:23 AM
How long till this one is locked bone?
It won't be locked as long as there is civil discussion. I am going to clean up the profanity and any racial comments I happen to see. If I get the feeling that someone is purposefully trying to cause it to be locked they may be given a vacation.
My Personal Opinion:
I am one of the people who likes to see pictures. If a bull gets poached then I hope the poacher is caught and dealt with. I do not subscribe to the idea that nobody should see photos because an animal might get poached. That's like saying nobody should be able to enter a bank because it might get robbed or like saying nobody should own guns because somebody might shoot another person. :dunno:
Post by: blacktailer on August 14, 2012, 11:08:35 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 14, 2012, 11:17:25 AM
Just an FYI. I never intended to open up a previously opened can of works or stir up a hornets nest but just enjoy seeing "some" of the best this state has to offer.
No worries, I'm with you, I enjoy seeing the photos as do many others. I see nothing wrong with posting the photos on here and in fact encourage them to be posted. If that results in elk killed illegally then law enforcement surely needs to do a better job. If it results in native kills that should or should not be allowed, then maybe that is an issue that needs to be talked about.
Hunters who have photos of big animals in favorite hunting spots should obviously be careful about posting locations or photos with distinguishable landmarks, but I see no reason to not freely post photos taken in closed hunting areas.
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
Might be a little out of context but oh well.
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Post by: bone collector 12 on August 14, 2012, 11:31:38 AM
Blacktailer I sorry it came to this. Living here not far feom the hanford bulls it just ticks me off hearing of them be poached. Natives have the right to hunt whenever with no game limits. I understand that but i don't agree with it. Like I said if everyone could do it there wouldn't be anything to hunt. Restrictions build great hunting. And I hate to see that anyone could get away with nothing but maybe a slap on the wrist for killing a big bull on federal closed land or even private land that is no tresspassing. If I ever own land with some decent deer or elk hunting you can garauntee that my property will be marked with signs everywhere saying trespassers will be shot. If you'd have a big bull tag you could feel free to call me up and is give permission. But if you poached on my land and I caught you then id probly poach an A-hole.:yeah: :yeah:
Might be a little out of context but oh well.
Post by: boneaddict on August 14, 2012, 11:48:54 AM
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 11:56:49 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 14, 2012, 12:00:06 PM
Blacktailer I sorry it came to this. Living here not far feom the hanford bulls it just ticks me off hearing of them be poached. Natives have the right to hunt whenever with no game limits. I understand that but i don't agree with it. Like I said if everyone could do it there wouldn't be anything to hunt. Restrictions build great hunting. And I hate to see that anyone could get away with nothing but maybe a slap on the wrist for killing a big bull on federal closed land or even private land that is no tresspassing. If I ever own land with some decent deer or elk hunting you can garauntee that my property will be marked with signs everywhere saying trespassers will be shot. If you'd have a big bull tag you could feel free to call me up and is give permission. But if you poached on my land and I caught you then id probly *censored*
Might be a little out of context but oh well.
This statement is generalized and is 100% incorrect. I cannot hunt whenever and do have certain game limits. here is a link to the game regs for this season including special draws.
http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/hunting%20regulations.pdf (http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/hunting%20regulations.pdf)
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 12:01:28 PM
Post by: 92xj on August 14, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
id probly *censored*
I'm never standing up around you!
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 14, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 12:09:46 PM
Igotbigbulls your rules are stricter than I thought and Im sorry for being ignorant. You have seasons but no bag limits.
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 14, 2012, 12:18:36 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on August 14, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 14, 2012, 12:27:37 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 14, 2012, 12:32:06 PM
As a whole I feel pretty comfortable saying that a ton more trophy animals are killed by whites poaching than natives by simple percentage points of population. :twocents:I would have to completely disagree with you on that. But this subject goes no where and unfortunately nothing us non natives can do about it, and they know it.
Post by: Bigtine96 on August 14, 2012, 12:32:36 PM
As a whole I feel pretty comfortable saying that a ton more trophy animals are killed by whites poaching than natives by simple percentage points of population. :twocents:
If using washington percentage, than I strongly disagree with your statement.
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 14, 2012, 12:34:01 PM
Post by: mrmoskillz on August 14, 2012, 12:35:10 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on August 14, 2012, 12:36:14 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on August 14, 2012, 12:38:47 PM
What numbers do you base your disagreement on?:yeah:
Post by: Bigtine96 on August 14, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
What numbers do you base your disagreement on?:yeah:
Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 14, 2012, 01:34:52 PM
We all know its an ongoing issue for the tribal members that blast multiple trophy animals because they can during vulnerable situations like weather or mating times. Until kill reports are implimented for big game this will continue to be an issue without actually knowing the harvest numbers. I feel the estimates that are given by the state in conjunction with the tribe are close. :twocents:
Well said and that's the same thing I've been saying for the last year and a half. Our penalties are very similar with the Umatillas but the only restrictions in harvesting are male only either species year round and female species only Aug. 31 to Dec. 31. This is on-line at the Yakama Nation website under our Wildlife program if you anybody would like to view it for themselves.
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 14, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
What numbers do you base your disagreement on?:yeah:
Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 14, 2012, 02:17:36 PM
What numbers do you base your disagreement on?:yeah:
Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
I don't know about total poaching by Tribal Members but, here's the 2011-2012 report for the Wetside Tribes.
http://nwifc.org/w/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/06/big-game-harvest-report-2011to2012-final.pdf (http://nwifc.org/w/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/06/big-game-harvest-report-2011to2012-final.pdf)
Post by: Skillet on August 14, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
But I have a question - it appears by this report there was no tribal harvest at all of elk in Region 3? I was under the impression from a lot of the posts on here that the tribes took a not-insignificant amount of elk out of the Colockum every year. :dunno: I may be completely off here, of course.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 14, 2012, 02:43:53 PM
Thanks Plateau - I wish the WDFW could put numbers together as clearly as that for us.
But I have a question - it appears by this report there was no tribal harvest at all of elk in Region 3? I was under the impression from a lot of the posts on here that the tribes took a not-insignificant amount of elk out of the Colockum every year. :dunno: I may be completely off here, of course.
The report is for all WETSIDE TRIBES not east side Tribes. The Region 3 is under the Yakama Nation Ceded Areas and as it currently stands we do not report harvest numbers. :dunno:
Post by: Skillet on August 14, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Great info for what it is, though.
Post by: colockumelk on August 14, 2012, 03:21:56 PM
What numbers do you base your disagreement on?:yeah:
Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.
I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do.
I think you guys were misunderstaning each other. As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them. It would be bad PR.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 14, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
:yeah:Right on, very well put.What numbers do you base your disagreement on?:yeah:
Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.
I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do.
I think you guys were misunderstaning each other. As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them. It would be bad PR.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 14, 2012, 03:29:10 PM
What numbers do you base your disagreement on?:yeah:
Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.
I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do.
I think you guys were misunderstaning each other. As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them. It would be bad PR.
I understood what he was saying and just chose not to answer at this time because I really didn't want to get into a fingerpointing match again. His opinion is it's illegal, when in our regs we're not and that's fine, it's his opinion. I don't condone the actions and abuse by some of my fellow tribesmen but I've done and continue to do everything I can to deter and report such incidents and as long as I'm doing what I can then that's all I can do. If the powers that be decide they don't want to do something then I can only push for so long before they decide to not to hear anything at all.
Post by: Bigtine96 on August 14, 2012, 04:43:10 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 14, 2012, 04:52:38 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on August 14, 2012, 04:58:11 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on August 14, 2012, 07:10:12 PM
If natives want to hunt YEAR ROUND like their regs state then it should be the way their ancesters did. STICK AND STRING! If they want to use a rifle then they should do soo during everyone elses hunting season with a rifle or Muzzle loader and also have to follow the same guidelines as everyone else. 3pt min or whatever. (considering their ancestors hunted for FOOD)! Not just for antlers or meat, just to sell.
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2012, 09:55:49 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on August 14, 2012, 11:35:27 PM
That is true that there are only bag limits for the special draws only. Hopefully common sense is used by most in harvesting methods. Penalties include loosing hunting rights for a year or more, loss of weapons, vehicles, arrest and fines.
And who regulates the tribes... The tribes... Enough said! Our state aint going to regulate the tribes they are scared to...
Post by: Maverick on August 15, 2012, 07:01:44 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 15, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
Post by: Maverick on August 15, 2012, 07:22:49 AM
Post by: buckhorn2 on August 15, 2012, 07:33:03 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 15, 2012, 09:12:27 AM
I like to see pictures either of elk or deer they don;t have to be 400 class for me to like to look at them I have never been to Hanford so without pictures I would never see one. I also like the posts of a couple native hunters on our site and like there opinions on different hunting related stories. Every time we see an animal on here I hope it can be just that a nice animal and not have us go through the other issues we all love to hunt.
:yeah: :tup:
Post by: mrmoskillz on August 15, 2012, 09:22:48 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 15, 2012, 09:24:57 AM
Post by: mrmoskillz on August 15, 2012, 09:26:58 AM
Post by: kckrawler on August 15, 2012, 09:27:12 AM
I forgot his character name in the movie but it's from the movie Joe Dirt. In the movie he plays a native selling fireworks down in the southwest and his favorite ones are snakes and sparklers.
Kicking Wing :tup:
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 15, 2012, 09:28:43 AM
I forgot his character name in the movie but it's from the movie Joe Dirt. In the movie he plays a native selling fireworks down in the southwest and his favorite ones are snakes and sparklers.
Kicking Wing :tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup: anybody find an atom bomb near hanford they aren't using? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: colockumelk on August 15, 2012, 03:55:44 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 15, 2012, 04:02:37 PM
Post by: Maverick on August 16, 2012, 07:03:56 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 16, 2012, 07:20:42 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 16, 2012, 08:13:47 AM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on August 16, 2012, 04:10:53 PM
Now could we see some Hanford pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 16, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on August 16, 2012, 04:20:28 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 16, 2012, 04:30:21 PM
Post by: runamuk on August 16, 2012, 04:35:06 PM
I also like seeing some of the bucks from there
Post by: Kowsrule30 on August 16, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 16, 2012, 04:42:15 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on August 16, 2012, 05:03:56 PM