Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: blacktailer on August 13, 2012, 08:42:37 AM
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I always look forward to this time of year when pics of some real monsters surface from the Hanford area. Anyone have anything to share???
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Yeah look at the pictures from last year where they were all shot and in the back of somebody's pickup... NOT BY LEGAL hunters.
This is what happens when big bull pictures get posted on here... Poachers yes Poachers dumb *censored* who don't have rights to shoot animals on Hanford go on there and shoot them for whatever reason maybe money or the fact that they want to rub it in others faces that they shot all the monsters out of the herd because we owe it to them. Don't get me started or I will get kicked off here because I offend someones feelings or race!
SO PLEASE DON'T POST PICTURES UP HERE OF THEM BECAUSE I WOULD ENJOY HAVING BIG BULLS STILL IN HANFORD THAT IS WHAT IS LEFT OF THEM! drive out there and find them yourself if you want to see them.
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Seriously, I never heard about the Hanford bulls getting poached. I think I'd have heard of it...... :dunno:
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Seriously, I never heard about the Hanford bulls getting poached. I think I'd have heard of it...... :dunno:
:yeah: Not that I search out information on such things. But, I'm a little surprised I didn't hear of that either. I'd be interested in seeing the article or post if you have a link hunterrcc.
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http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=88979.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=88979.0)
Here is one of them somebody on here posted... Don't know this guy that posted it or if the story is true but know that this bull was not on legal ground to shoot it! I know they shot a few of the bigger ones from cell phone pictures from a few different buddies that know some of the poachers that shot them.
Believe me or not but I do know for a fact a few of the bigger bulls were shot from Hanford. No *censored*
Seriously, I never heard about the Hanford bulls getting poached. I think I'd have heard of it...... :dunno:
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Thank you for the link. I did see that one before. I just did not know that guy was found to be an illegal hunter.
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Come on, our state worships the ground that the natives walk on! No one is going to prosect the natives for hunting on Hanford ground or for that matter people's private ground. Look around they go on the South side of Hanford on private ground and poach all the time and what happens they get slapped on the wrist at best even if caught! They hunt where they please and it's total *censored*. they shoot animals that we brought here like BIGHORN SHEEP why do they get to use tribal rights to hunt them? They were transplated into this state. Thats another subject but the elk on Hanford were not there either back in the day if I recall correctly. To hunt on Hanford was breaking national security and they don't do *censored* to them our dept says their hands are tied well untie them and do something about it or what good is our dept of wildlife for us.
All I have to say is Karma is a bitch I hope though elk were in the Nuclear area eating green glowing grass just before they killed them!!!
Thank you for the link. I did see that one before. I just did not know that guy was found to be an illegal hunter.
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Well then...opinion noted.
I still like seeing the pictures. I don't care where they are taken I just like to see pictures of big elk.
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Hunterrcc is absolutely right. We had a huge discussion about this last year. It ended up getting locked..
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Ummm.. hate to break it to ya, but Hanford bulls aren't a big secret. I've known about them since I was in elementary school.
I like seeing pictures of them. Just like any other animal. Sorry you feel the way you do, but the lack of pictures isn't going to decrease bad behavior in this instance, by any party, race, individual, what have you.
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They're all hiding right now. Spent a good bit of time driving last week. Saw some, but not like last year.
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Kopper, the idea is guys might have been seeing the pics of the big hanford bulls on here and then going out to poach them. You're right they aren't a secret. But it was a little weird seeing the pics last year and not long after seeing a native guy holding the horns of a 400 class bull cut at the skull plate. someone had pics of that bull alive on here. So it kind of makes you wonder. Kopper if you think different then feel free to go take pictures and and post them.
I agree with hunterrcc on this one though. Yes they're awesome to see but posting pics of them might just make them a Target for someone.
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I suppose, but talking about it ain't much better. I guess I'm of the opinion that I can't hunt them, they were reintroduced, and they cause damage. If someone needs to swell their pecker by shooting one of these "farm" raised bulls, that's your issue and I feel sorry for ya. I'd probably feel different about it if it was in my wilderness spot.
I won't post any masher bull pics - so here's a link of pics from this weekend that oughta make everyone a little warm and fuzzy. At least until they get a couple years under them.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=103127.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=103127.0)
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Those are cool pics kopper, the hanford elk are illegal to hunt. Unless on one of the farms. So what it comes down to is they're on refuge. If we can't hunt them then why should anyone else be able to. If caught there should be serious consequences for ANYONE. people enjoy going out and looking at them. And since we enjoy seeing them wed hate to see more pics of bulls being poached out there.. better safe than sorry. And you're absolutely right. Talking doesn't help.
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Very few bulls get shot there by those who have the "right" when compared to the "wilderness locations" around the state. I live in the SE part of the state and there is a ton of "rightful" killing that goes on bulls that the average hunter has to put in for up to 20 years to get a tag, not to mention the rams that they shoot in Hells Canyon and the Blues every year that is a once in a life time for most of us, if ever. Most of the animals are for sale as soon as the bullet hits them.
I ran into a guy as I was out scouting one august who said he had just shot a big muley and was now out looking for a whitetail or an even bigger muley his daughter just missed the other day. He was heading to the Blues a couple days later to hunt elk, but first he new where some were in Idaho. He said he had shot 15 bighorn rams in Hell's canyon over the last 20 years with one scoring 198 and several others in the mid to low 190s. His daughter shot the largest bighorn ram taken by a women in the world, but it could not be entered due to the lack of a tag, although it was 100% legal. I saw a picture of the blues bull he rifle shot in September a few months later; it scored 390". When I asked what his trophy room looked like, he said he had gotten rid of all of them ($$$$$$?)
He is out blasting away at animals with his rifle while all I can do is scout for the archery season, kind of aggravating.
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For what it's worth Mav, I reread my post - where I stated "your" problem and feel bad for "you" I was referencing those that are killing these bulls. Just didn't want a misunderstanding.
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Thanks for clarifying but I understand. :tup:
Fly that's just plain horrible. If you don't want to hang up your kill and be proud of it then why shoot big bulls and bucks? If its strictly only for meat then shoot does and cows. Just because they can shoot whatever whenever doesnt mean they should. If everyone could do it then there wouldn't be *censored* for hunting in this state..
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marking for future reference
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:yeah: :chuckle:
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How long till this one is locked bone?
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i assume it wont get locked because theres not much to talk about. same ole story. lots of bad feelings between the two hunting groups. it ll just be a finger pointing contest. enough said. :bash:
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How long till this one is locked bone?
It won't be locked as long as there is civil discussion. I am going to clean up the profanity and any racial comments I happen to see. If I get the feeling that someone is purposefully trying to cause it to be locked they may be given a vacation.
My Personal Opinion:
I am one of the people who likes to see pictures. If a bull gets poached then I hope the poacher is caught and dealt with. I do not subscribe to the idea that nobody should see photos because an animal might get poached. That's like saying nobody should be able to enter a bank because it might get robbed or like saying nobody should own guns because somebody might shoot another person. :dunno:
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Just an FYI. I never intended to open up a previously opened can of works or stir up a hornets nest but just enjoy seeing "some" of the best this state has to offer.
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Just an FYI. I never intended to open up a previously opened can of works or stir up a hornets nest but just enjoy seeing "some" of the best this state has to offer.
No worries, I'm with you, I enjoy seeing the photos as do many others. I see nothing wrong with posting the photos on here and in fact encourage them to be posted. If that results in elk killed illegally then law enforcement surely needs to do a better job. If it results in native kills that should or should not be allowed, then maybe that is an issue that needs to be talked about.
Hunters who have photos of big animals in favorite hunting spots should obviously be careful about posting locations or photos with distinguishable landmarks, but I see no reason to not freely post photos taken in closed hunting areas.
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Blacktailer I sorry it came to this. Living here not far feom the hanford bulls it just ticks me off hearing of them be poached. Natives have the right to hunt whenever with no game limits. I understand that but i don't agree with it. Like I said if everyone could do it there wouldn't be anything to hunt. Restrictions build great hunting. And I hate to see that anyone could get away with nothing but maybe a slap on the wrist for killing a big bull on federal closed land or even private land that is no tresspassing. If I ever own land with some decent deer or elk hunting you can garauntee that my property will be marked with signs everywhere saying trespassers will be shot. If you'd have a big bull tag you could feel free to call me up and is give permission. But if you poached on my land and I caught you then id probly *censored*.
Might be a little out of context but oh well.
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Blacktailer I sorry it came to this. Living here not far feom the hanford bulls it just ticks me off hearing of them be poached. Natives have the right to hunt whenever with no game limits. I understand that but i don't agree with it. Like I said if everyone could do it there wouldn't be anything to hunt. Restrictions build great hunting. And I hate to see that anyone could get away with nothing but maybe a slap on the wrist for killing a big bull on federal closed land or even private land that is no tresspassing. If I ever own land with some decent deer or elk hunting you can garauntee that my property will be marked with signs everywhere saying trespassers will be shot. If you'd have a big bull tag you could feel free to call me up and is give permission. But if you poached on my land and I caught you then id probly poach an A-hole.
Might be a little out of context but oh well.
:yeah: :yeah:
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The way this fire is, there won't be much left to worry about except a big pile of ashes.
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I guess another way to look at why we dont like the idea of hanford bull pics being posted is this. If you posted pictures of a monster 230 inch muley buck and told everyone on here right before the season started where that buck was hanging then where do you think everyone would be hunting opening day. or maybe some greedy guys doing some poaching would go before the season even started? I know the difference of this is my example was public land and hanford isn't but that doesn't stop everyone.
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Blacktailer I sorry it came to this. Living here not far feom the hanford bulls it just ticks me off hearing of them be poached. Natives have the right to hunt whenever with no game limits. I understand that but i don't agree with it. Like I said if everyone could do it there wouldn't be anything to hunt. Restrictions build great hunting. And I hate to see that anyone could get away with nothing but maybe a slap on the wrist for killing a big bull on federal closed land or even private land that is no tresspassing. If I ever own land with some decent deer or elk hunting you can garauntee that my property will be marked with signs everywhere saying trespassers will be shot. If you'd have a big bull tag you could feel free to call me up and is give permission. But if you poached on my land and I caught you then id probly *censored*
Might be a little out of context but oh well.
This statement is generalized and is 100% incorrect. I cannot hunt whenever and do have certain game limits. here is a link to the game regs for this season including special draws.
http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/hunting%20regulations.pdf (http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/hunting%20regulations.pdf)
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How about for the yakima tribe?
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id probly *censored*
I'm never standing up around you!
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Im familiar with their regs but maybe Plat or another Yakama member can chime in on this if he is around or post a link to their regs. you could also look it up online.
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What are your tribes penalties when someone doesnt obey those laws?
Igotbigbulls your rules are stricter than I thought and Im sorry for being ignorant. You have seasons but no bag limits.
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That is true that there are only bag limits for the special draws only. Hopefully common sense is used by most in harvesting methods. Penalties include loosing hunting rights for a year or more, loss of weapons, vehicles, arrest and fines.
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As a whole I feel pretty comfortable saying that a ton more trophy animals are killed by whites poaching than natives by simple percentage points of population. :twocents:
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We all know its an ongoing issue for the tribal members that blast multiple trophy animals because they can during vulnerable situations like weather or mating times. Until kill reports are implimented for big game this will continue to be an issue without actually knowing the harvest numbers. I feel the estimates that are given by the state in conjunction with the tribe are close. :twocents:
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As a whole I feel pretty comfortable saying that a ton more trophy animals are killed by whites poaching than natives by simple percentage points of population. :twocents:
I would have to completely disagree with you on that. But this subject goes no where and unfortunately nothing us non natives can do about it, and they know it.
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As a whole I feel pretty comfortable saying that a ton more trophy animals are killed by whites poaching than natives by simple percentage points of population. :twocents:
If using washington percentage, than I strongly disagree with your statement.
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What numbers do you base your disagreement on?
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I say post the pics if you got em! There is already enough talk of big bulls from the unit that if someone is going to poach there going to poach. I like seeing big bulls and just because I know where they are doesnt mean I'm going to go poach one.
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You will go to federal prison, they will not
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What numbers do you base your disagreement on?
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What numbers do you base your disagreement on?
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Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
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We all know its an ongoing issue for the tribal members that blast multiple trophy animals because they can during vulnerable situations like weather or mating times. Until kill reports are implimented for big game this will continue to be an issue without actually knowing the harvest numbers. I feel the estimates that are given by the state in conjunction with the tribe are close. :twocents:
Well said and that's the same thing I've been saying for the last year and a half. Our penalties are very similar with the Umatillas but the only restrictions in harvesting are male only either species year round and female species only Aug. 31 to Dec. 31. This is on-line at the Yakama Nation website under our Wildlife program if you anybody would like to view it for themselves.
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What numbers do you base your disagreement on?
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Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
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What numbers do you base your disagreement on?
:yeah:
Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
I don't know about total poaching by Tribal Members but, here's the 2011-2012 report for the Wetside Tribes.
http://nwifc.org/w/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/06/big-game-harvest-report-2011to2012-final.pdf (http://nwifc.org/w/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/06/big-game-harvest-report-2011to2012-final.pdf)
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Thanks Plateau - I wish the WDFW could put numbers together as clearly as that for us.
But I have a question - it appears by this report there was no tribal harvest at all of elk in Region 3? I was under the impression from a lot of the posts on here that the tribes took a not-insignificant amount of elk out of the Colockum every year. :dunno: I may be completely off here, of course.
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Thanks Plateau - I wish the WDFW could put numbers together as clearly as that for us.
But I have a question - it appears by this report there was no tribal harvest at all of elk in Region 3? I was under the impression from a lot of the posts on here that the tribes took a not-insignificant amount of elk out of the Colockum every year. :dunno: I may be completely off here, of course.
The report is for all WETSIDE TRIBES not east side Tribes. The Region 3 is under the Yakama Nation Ceded Areas and as it currently stands we do not report harvest numbers. :dunno:
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Copy that - thanks for the clarification.
Great info for what it is, though.
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What numbers do you base your disagreement on?
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Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.
I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do.
I think you guys were misunderstaning each other. As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them. It would be bad PR.
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What numbers do you base your disagreement on?
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Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.
I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do.
I think you guys were misunderstaning each other. As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them. It would be bad PR.
:yeah:Right on, very well put.
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What numbers do you base your disagreement on?
:yeah:
Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.
yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is. where are these statistics located, i.e link? i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately. thats why i was curious.
You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.
I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do.
I think you guys were misunderstaning each other. As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them. It would be bad PR.
I understood what he was saying and just chose not to answer at this time because I really didn't want to get into a fingerpointing match again. His opinion is it's illegal, when in our regs we're not and that's fine, it's his opinion. I don't condone the actions and abuse by some of my fellow tribesmen but I've done and continue to do everything I can to deter and report such incidents and as long as I'm doing what I can then that's all I can do. If the powers that be decide they don't want to do something then I can only push for so long before they decide to not to hear anything at all.
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And thats respectable plat.
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Sooo.......is there any pics of this years Hanford Bulls????? :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: I like looking at them and have stated before I don't hunt there nor will I ever hunt there and don't condone the killing of preserve/farm animals.
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IMO
If natives want to hunt YEAR ROUND like their regs state then it should be the way their ancesters did. STICK AND STRING! If they want to use a rifle then they should do soo during everyone elses hunting season with a rifle or Muzzle loader and also have to follow the same guidelines as everyone else. 3pt min or whatever. (considering their ancestors hunted for FOOD)! Not just for antlers or meat, just to sell.
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Agreed. Use a stick and a string or a spear like your ancestors did or at leat an open site muzzle loader.
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That is true that there are only bag limits for the special draws only. Hopefully common sense is used by most in harvesting methods. Penalties include loosing hunting rights for a year or more, loss of weapons, vehicles, arrest and fines.
And who regulates the tribes... The tribes... Enough said! Our state aint going to regulate the tribes they are scared to...
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So if I see a tribe member in the mountains with a big bull in the back of his truck and out of your tribes season. Who do I contact?! What's the best way to deal with this?
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There is a phone number in the link i posted to CTUIR Fish and Game to report poaching.
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Thank you, I will print them out and keep them in my truck.
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I like to see pictures either of elk or deer they don;t have to be 400 class for me to like to look at them I have never been to Hanford so without pictures I would never see one. I also like the posts of a couple native hunters on our site and like there opinions on different hunting related stories. Every time we see an animal on here I hope it can be just that a nice animal and not have us go through the other issues we all love to hunt.
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I like to see pictures either of elk or deer they don;t have to be 400 class for me to like to look at them I have never been to Hanford so without pictures I would never see one. I also like the posts of a couple native hunters on our site and like there opinions on different hunting related stories. Every time we see an animal on here I hope it can be just that a nice animal and not have us go through the other issues we all love to hunt.
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Hey Plat who is that on your avitar? Sure looks like my step brother
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I forgot his character name in the movie but it's from the movie Joe Dirt. In the movie he plays a native selling fireworks down in the southwest and his favorite ones are snakes and sparklers.
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:chuckle: lol I remember now
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I forgot his character name in the movie but it's from the movie Joe Dirt. In the movie he plays a native selling fireworks down in the southwest and his favorite ones are snakes and sparklers.
Kicking Wing :tup:
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I forgot his character name in the movie but it's from the movie Joe Dirt. In the movie he plays a native selling fireworks down in the southwest and his favorite ones are snakes and sparklers.
Kicking Wing :tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup: anybody find an atom bomb near hanford they aren't using? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Let's shoot fire balls at it :chuckle:
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So clock, you need help strapping it to your back? I got the hammer you were looking for. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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With tribes having the seasons and game limits they do how many big bulls have you guys shot? Any pics?
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We have shot 2 BAB in the last 5 years, archery. Here is a pic from the Rainwater unit a few years back.
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1 in the last 2.5 years.
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Nice Plat!!!!!
Now could we see some Hanford pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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:dunno: that's what I was asking a few days ago. Maybe even some old ones for now... :dunno: The last time I was near there was back in March taking my son to a wrestling tournament and we didn't see anything from the roadway. :dunno:
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I haven't been around there in 5+ years.... Only had a disposible.... 300 yard pics look like an ant with brush on them.... :chuckle:
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These are old photos that were passed around on email, hope this gives everyone a good elk fix till someone can produce some recent photos. :chuckle:
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there are the radiation boys :chuckle: :chuckle:
I also like seeing some of the bucks from there
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I still want one on my wall.... The nontypicals get me everytime.... Well it'll have to go in the shop..... House ain't that big!!!
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nor is my house radiation proof. :chuckle: AAaaahhhhhh...............thank you bear, that should hold me over for another month. :chuckle:
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I love seeing those big bulls! :tup: