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Big Game Hunting => Bear Hunting => Topic started by: huntingbg on August 31, 2012, 09:29:47 AM

Title: Bear peel?
Post by: huntingbg on August 31, 2012, 09:29:47 AM: Hey guys, I found this on a tree yesterday while bear hunting. Is it a peel?
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Post by: Huntbear on August 31, 2012, 09:32:56 AM: Sure looks like one to me....
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Post by: elkoholic1 on August 31, 2012, 09:43:02 AM: :tup:
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Post by: h20hunter on August 31, 2012, 09:44:45 AM: Looks like it....and fresh!
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Post by: huntingbg on August 31, 2012, 09:55:06 AM: Thats what i was thinking, but wasn't sure. This is in area with huckleberries. Maybe he wanted a change of pace?
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Post by: h20hunter on August 31, 2012, 09:57:44 AM: Time to HUNT!
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Post by: mfswallace on August 31, 2012, 10:20:50 AM: is that a stump or tree... Porcupine?? what you think huntbear?
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Post by: DoubleJ on August 31, 2012, 10:21:13 AM: That's not a porcupine? Little chunks of bark, low to the ground, and each scratch looks like it's in pairs made by a pair of teeth. I'm far from knowing anything about this but, is this a porcupine?
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Post by: mfswallace on August 31, 2012, 10:23:22 AM: beaver??
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Post by: runamuk on August 31, 2012, 10:24:13 AM: thats a tree and it looks like a peel from spring to me :dunno: also it sure has short tooth strokes .... not that I know anything just what I am guessing.....overall pattern of peel looks more porky than bear
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Post by: Huntbear on August 31, 2012, 10:27:12 AM: Quote from: mfswallace on August 31, 2012, 10:20:50 AM
is that a stump or tree... Porcupine?? what you think huntbear?

I may have spoke to soon earlier....

I took the photo and blew it up... I would bet Porky.... Bear would most likely have done more damage, and the teeth marks are real close/side by side... almost beaverish.. but never seen a beaver attack a conifer like that before.
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Post by: Houndhunter on August 31, 2012, 11:04:00 AM: not a bear :twocents:
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Post by: Crunchy on August 31, 2012, 11:10:56 AM: Looks like a peel to me.
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Post by: huntingbg on August 31, 2012, 11:52:23 AM: The peel is from a standing tree, not a stump. It was quite low to the ground and i looked for hair evidence or scat, but found none.
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 31, 2012, 12:00:16 PM: I say yes but it is older
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Post by: blacktailcody on August 31, 2012, 12:48:58 PM: Bear.
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Post by: Kc_Kracker on August 31, 2012, 07:57:15 PM: ill investigate, whats the location, via pm :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: sled on August 31, 2012, 08:17:44 PM: I think porky. Especially at this time of year.
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 31, 2012, 08:22:38 PM: Bears use their claws, not their teeth to tear up trees.
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Post by: ICEMAN on August 31, 2012, 08:27:58 PM: Porcupine, smaller bites, bear longer swipes...
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Post by: johnnyaustin44 on August 31, 2012, 08:30:03 PM: Quote from: CAMPMEAT on August 31, 2012, 08:22:38 PM
Bears use their claws, not their teeth to tear up trees.
pretty sure they use both. their teeth scrape the bark which is the point of them peeling trees I believe. Something sweet in the layer beneath bark.
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Post by: sled on August 31, 2012, 08:32:44 PM: Quote from: CAMPMEAT on August 31, 2012, 08:22:38 PM
Bears use their claws, not their teeth to tear up trees.
wrong? :dunno:
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 31, 2012, 08:35:46 PM: The orignal photos look like porky to me....and not very fresh.
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 31, 2012, 08:37:21 PM: Quote from: CAMPMEAT on August 31, 2012, 08:22:38 PM
Bears use their claws, not their teeth to tear up trees.

Not really true.
They do use their claws to get started but then they run their open jaw up and down trunk to scrap up the cambium. The teeth really do the damage.
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Post by: grizzlyadams on August 31, 2012, 09:31:57 PM: Definately Purcupine. Those scratches you are seeing on the original post pic are Porcupine claw marks. Not bear teeth. Porcupines use their claws to scratch at the soft tissue under the bark. They claw it off into wads and eat it. I've watched them do it. Bear peels start higher and work their way down. :twocents:
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 31, 2012, 09:39:24 PM: I''ve seen more bear damage with bears using their teeth to tear up sign posts in the woods more than a tree.
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Post by: Humptulips on August 31, 2012, 09:45:06 PM: Bear.

Porkys eat the bark. They don't tear it off. That bark was torn off then scraped with teeth to get the cambium. Classic bear sign.

Porky would be more apt to climb the tree to thinner bark and chew it off with even edges.
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Post by: Humptulips on August 31, 2012, 09:46:57 PM: Quote from: CAMPMEAT on August 31, 2012, 09:39:24 PM
I''ve seen more bear damage with bears using their teeth to tear up sign posts in the woods more than a tree.

They do love to chew up creosoted posts.
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Post by: bullfisher on September 01, 2012, 03:26:10 PM: Bear for sure! A porcupine wouldn't even dream of trying to strip from the bottom of a big tree like that. They're almost always higher up and usually leave thin dangling strips of bark around, from their tiny claws, like tinsel. In fact, in western WA, I'd say 95% of the peels you see will be from bear.
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 01, 2012, 06:15:13 PM: I can see we have some rookie bear peeler experts on board.
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Post by: cougkilr on September 01, 2012, 06:44:32 PM: I would bet bear, it looks like it was from earlier in the spring, not very fresh. In plantations where bears are peeling the conifers they sometimes completely girdle the tree and peel the heck out of it and other times they just take a small portion off, I would assume becasue it was not as tasty as one that he peeled completely. Its a nightmare dealing with bear damage from a forest management stand point, it makes it tough to properly manage a stand. We have reprod stands that have 70% damage, some trees were girdled completely which kills the treee and others just have bear damage on the butt which adds a percentage of defect to the tree.
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Post by: Kola16 on September 01, 2012, 06:51:42 PM: Porky

Definitely NOT a bear.
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Post by: cryfowl on September 01, 2012, 10:06:21 PM: Porcupine......they do lots of damage to timber.
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Post by: ghosthunter on September 01, 2012, 11:05:16 PM: Quote from: cryfowl on September 01, 2012, 10:06:21 PM
Porcupine......they do lots of damage to timber.
:yeah:

I was told by a forester who sets spring bear hunts that "Groves to the side are porky,
Groves up and down the tree are bear.

Porky do a lot of damage like that. Around Twisp area you see lots of this.

I vote porky.
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Post by: yorketransport on September 02, 2012, 09:34:48 AM: Looks like a porcupine to me. Like others said, the teeth are small and very close together.

Either way, shoot the sucker! Porcupine chili is good stuff! :tup:

Andrew
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Post by: AdnaHunter on September 02, 2012, 01:40:35 PM: pretty easy to tell its a porcupine by the pic!
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Post by: Axle on September 09, 2012, 05:12:39 PM: Marks are close together. Does not look like claw marks to me.
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Post by: Kowsrule30 on September 10, 2012, 10:51:44 AM: I'm betting porky.... Claw marks and or teeth marks are really close together..... And the peel is angled a lot..... Bears usually go high then low with a good size peel.... Not erratic like that one...