Post by: longstevo on September 03, 2012, 01:23:22 PM
I currently own a 7mm WSM, and to date, have killed everything I've shot at with it, including deer, bear and a bull elk.
But I'm looking for something with a bit more 'oomph' to it for longer shots. The elk I shot was a shade under seventy yards, so I'm concerned that a longer shot may take some of the starch out of the round by the time it gets there.
I hear a lot of good things about the .308, including the fact that it is pretty comparable to the 7mm in terms of ballistics. I'm pretty interested in the .308 Ruger Gunsite Scout, and I've read that its a pretty functional rifle.
Any opinions?
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 03, 2012, 01:26:12 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 03, 2012, 01:29:16 PM
For a noticeable jump in power you would need to go to something like a 7mm Ultra Mag or 300 Ultra Mag.
You could just go with a 7mm Remington Magnum, or 300 Winchester Magnum, but with those you're gaining very little over your 7 WSM.
Post by: Huntbear on September 03, 2012, 01:29:55 PM
Hey all,
I currently own a 7mm WSM, and to date, have killed everything I've shot at with it, including deer, bear and a bull elk.
But I'm looking for something with a bit more 'oomph' to it for longer shots. The elk I shot was a shade under seventy yards, so I'm concerned that a longer shot may take some of the starch out of the round by the time it gets there.
I hear a lot of good things about the .308, including the fact that it is pretty comparable to the 7mm in terms of ballistics. I'm pretty interested in the .308 Ruger Gunsite Scout, and I've read that its a pretty functional rifle.
Any opinions?
To get more "OOMPH" you will need to step up to a bigger round.. 300 wsm and up.. If you really want to bridge the gap, get a .338 WM. Will put a hurting on anything you want to shoot at out to 600 yards if you can shoot that far.. I know it will knock a 5x5 bull elk flat at 410 yards. :tup: :tup: He fell where he stood and never made a whimper..
Post by: yorketransport on September 03, 2012, 02:18:59 PM
If you really want to move up, look into a 375 Ruger. You will see and hear the difference when an animal is hit with any of the 375s when compared to a 7mm or 30 caliber. :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: Three_Oh_Eight on September 03, 2012, 08:09:02 PM
If you want to be able to shoot just as flat and want a bigger "whack" on the target, you'll have to move up to a cartridge that uses a bullet with a wider frontal area. Because of physics, you'll have to also increase the length of the bullet to match the aerodynamic qualities that exist in your 7mm. For instance, you'd probably have to shoot a 200 to 210gr .308 caliber bullet to match the aerodynamic qualities of a 162gr 7mm bullet. To push 200gr of bullet the same speed as 162gr bullets, you'll have to move to a significantly larger case with more powder and a lot more recoil unless you add a bunch of weight to the rifle or brake it.
Doesn't that all sound like a pain in the ass? I thought so too. Just stick with what you got and pick a good bullet and you'll be fine! I'm using 140gr Barnes Tipped TSXs and Reloader 22 at a velocity of just under 3200 fps for hunting and my reasonable limit is around 400 yards from field positions under the right conditions. When it comes time to play at longer ranges on steel targets with the use of bags and a bi-pod, I use 162gr A-MAXs and Reloader 22 at 2850fps. It seems slower, but they don't bleed velocity and shoot flatter out past 500 yards than the other stuff.
Post by: beagledog on September 03, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
Post by: FALFire on September 04, 2012, 09:00:09 PM
Post by: Elk whack master on September 04, 2012, 09:10:54 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 04, 2012, 09:32:17 PM
why 338 edge and not just 338wm? :dunno:
Haha! Why not a .338 Ultra or a Lapua for that matter. People love to say Lapua but the fact of the matter is, both the Edge and Ultra are faster but what does that matter when a animal is taking a hit from any of the three, dead is dead. The .338 Win Mag is plenty the rest is just the rest. :tup:
Post by: Elk whack master on September 04, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 04, 2012, 09:43:49 PM
why 338 edge and not just 338wm? :dunno:
Haha! Why not a .338 Ultra or a Lapua for that matter. People love to say Lapua but the fact of the matter is, both the Edge and Ultra are faster but what does that matter when a animal is taking a hit from any of the three, dead is dead. The .338 Win Mag is plenty the rest is just the rest. :tup:
The ultra will clearly make an elk more deader than the Lapua will. That's why its called Ultra...like ultra-dead.
Duhhh....
Post by: FC on September 04, 2012, 09:46:11 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 04, 2012, 09:47:51 PM
Post by: washelkhntr on September 04, 2012, 09:51:07 PM
Post by: FC on September 04, 2012, 09:51:51 PM
I thought ultras killed stuff by just being in the woods.
I've heard this story!
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 04, 2012, 10:04:02 PM
I thought ultras killed stuff by just being in the woods.
Now that is a fact.
Post by: jackelope on September 04, 2012, 10:15:17 PM
I thought ultras killed stuff by just being in the woods.
Chuck Norris type killing.
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 04, 2012, 10:16:52 PM
My 7mm RM has done so and ballistic wise, they are pretty close to being on par with each other. The WSM being just slightly slower.
Just hone your shooting skills. You stick a 160 or 175 gr bullet in the boiler room, it will hit the dirt.
The 308 is a step backwards. You really want more, go with any one of the 338 family as mentioned above.
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 04, 2012, 10:20:04 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 04, 2012, 10:22:52 PM
I have my preferences,
You coming out of the gun closet with your Tikka huh? :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 04, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
I have my preferences,
You coming out of the gun closet with your Tikka huh? :chuckle:
Heck no, I tried to pick one up and get past my complete and total distain for them but I started dry heaving and gagging so bad. I about puked up my daily dose of Redbull. >:(
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 04, 2012, 10:35:28 PM
I have my preferences,
You coming out of the gun closet with your Tikka huh? :chuckle:
Heck no, I tried to pick one up and get past my complete and total distain for them but I started dry heaving and gagging so bad. I about puked up my daily dose of Redbull. >:(
LOL!
Post by: hambone on September 04, 2012, 10:49:54 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 05, 2012, 12:20:03 AM
i shoot the 7mmshort mag my self i shoot 150 grain bullets out of it the one thing i can tell you if you hit the animal in its vitals its going down shot a whitetail at 300 hundred yards it went right over on its back
The .270 WSM has the same effect. :tup: All the WSM's are performers.
Post by: CoyoteChuck52 on September 05, 2012, 02:14:25 AM
7WSM with a 180g bullet somewhere around 2850fps/3247ft.lbs,300WSM 180g bullet 2980fps/3549ft.lbs, 325WSM w/180g bullet=3095fps/3841ft.lbs
I am looking at these cartridges right now myself and to include the 270WSM .....feeling the need for a new Browning X-Bolt for my eastcost whitetail rifle
All -n-all you have plenty of cartridge...for myself any of those I just listed will work fine with proper shot placement and a good bullet(Barnes TTSX if I'm picking)
So I really think it just comes down to which one has that "cool factor" to "You"? Myself I like the thought of the 325 but it is overkill for what I will be using it for and the bullet selection is not as good as say the 270,7mm or 30cals but you still can go from a 150g upto say 220g and Barnes put out a 160g TTSX that leaves me saying that is cool and I want a 325WSM
In the end I think I am going to go with the 270WSM just because I have never owned a 270cal, The bullet weights are perfect for what I'm going to use it on...Whitetails and coyotes
Post by: Andrew on September 05, 2012, 06:17:14 AM
Post by: copasj on September 05, 2012, 09:34:50 AM
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Post by: FC on September 05, 2012, 11:35:50 AM
Man 2 pages and NO 30-06 guys chiming in. :chuckle:
That is because they know that the .270 is superior and don't want to start anything. :chuckle: :stirthepot:
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 05, 2012, 12:01:01 PM
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on September 05, 2012, 04:16:12 PM
Post by: longstevo on September 11, 2012, 07:18:00 AM
But it sounds like I have a higher quality rifle with what I have, so I think I might save the money and spend that money on some other firearm.
I get confused between the American calibers and metric calibers. So 7mm > .308
Post by: woodswalker on September 11, 2012, 07:35:24 AM
OTOH...plugging for the 30-06....try buying 7mm/any WSM in Podunk's Country Hardware, may or may not have it...but I'll guarantee that they have 7mm RM, 30-06 and 300WM.
Just dont be like one of my hunting partners who grabbed his .300 Savage model 99 and his .308 ammo...he was TICKED...and hunted with my Super Blackhawk that weekend.
Post by: Bob33 on September 11, 2012, 07:42:14 AM
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I get confused between the American calibers and metric calibers. So 7mm > .308Multiple millimeters by .393. 7 x .393 = .275. 7mm is smaller than .308.
Post by: Curly on September 11, 2012, 09:24:25 AM
I guess they rounded the 7.21 down to 7mm........... ??? :dunno:
.277 caliber is actually closer to 7.0 mm. (So the .270 Win is a 7 mm).............. :yike: :chuckle:
Post by: longstevo on September 11, 2012, 11:55:05 AM
QuoteI get confused between the American calibers and metric calibers. So 7mm > .308Multiple millimeters by .393. 7 x .393 = .275. 7mm is smaller than .308.
Aha! Finally, the key! Thanks for that.
@Woodswalker: So far, I have never grabbed the wrong ammo. I can only imagine the hell that would come raining down amongst my own hunting camp!
Post by: RadSav on September 11, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
QuoteI get confused between the American calibers and metric calibers. So 7mm > .308Multiple millimeters by .393. 7 x .393 = .275. 7mm is smaller than .308.
Actually multiply by .0393 . .284 would be the bullet diameter. Just as .308 is the bullet diameter of the 30 cal. and .277 for the 270. If I'm not mistaken you do not start having bullet diameter listed the same as caliber listing until you reach the medium bore cartridges at .338.
Post by: bobcat on September 11, 2012, 12:18:57 PM
QuoteI get confused between the American calibers and metric calibers. So 7mm > .308Multiple millimeters by .393. 7 x .393 = .275. 7mm is smaller than .308.
Actually multiply by .0393 . .284 would be the bullet diameter. Just as .308 is the bullet diameter of the 30 cal. and .277 for the 270. If I'm not mistaken you do not start having bullet diameter listed the same as caliber listing until you reach the medium bore cartridges at .338.
What about the 223 Remington, 243 Winchester, and 257 Roberts?
Post by: RadSav on September 11, 2012, 03:26:20 PM
QuoteI get confused between the American calibers and metric calibers. So 7mm > .308Multiple millimeters by .393. 7 x .393 = .275. 7mm is smaller than .308.
Actually multiply by .0393 . .284 would be the bullet diameter. Just as .308 is the bullet diameter of the 30 cal. and .277 for the 270. If I'm not mistaken you do not start having bullet diameter listed the same as caliber listing until you reach the medium bore cartridges at .338.
What about the 223 Remington, 243 Winchester, and 257 Roberts?
Wouldn't you consider those 22, 6mm and 25 caliber rounds?
Post by: yorketransport on September 11, 2012, 08:10:56 PM
First of all...you will lose by going to the .308, stick with your 7mm WSM and get GOOD bullets...E-tips, TSX/TTSX or MRX/LRX or Partitions/one of the bonded bullets to take care of the near-to-you stuff. just a bullet performance issue there.
OTOH...plugging for the 30-06....try buying 7mm/any WSM in Podunk's Country Hardware, may or may not have it...but I'll guarantee that they have 7mm RM, 30-06 and 300WM.
Just dont be like one of my hunting partners who grabbed his .300 Savage model 99 and his .308 ammo...he was TICKED...and hunted with my Super Blackhawk that weekend.
That's funny! :chuckle:
Woodswalker, I tried to send you a PM but your box is full.
Andrew