Post by: Rdnkgirl88 on September 25, 2012, 04:19:15 PM
So my dad just got a Taurus 44 mag revolver he wants to use for deer hunting.
I know there are some restrictions as far as barrel length, etc.
Does anyone know what that is?
Thanks!!
Post by: wraithen on September 25, 2012, 04:21:51 PM
Post by: Rdnkgirl88 on September 25, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
I wasnt sure where to start measuring for the barrel or if you just measure the whole dang thing.
Im a rifle hunter so I have no idea. LOL
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2012, 04:28:05 PM
Post by: Rdnkgirl88 on September 25, 2012, 04:45:27 PM
I just measured and if I am doing it right it is exactly 4 inches.
Ya lost me on forcing cone...LOL
:dunno:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2012, 04:49:42 PM
Thanks!
I just measured and if I am doing it right it is exactly 4 inches.
Ya lost me on forcing cone...LOL
:dunno:
That's what the area of the barrel is called from the front of the cylinder to the rear of the barrel area, before you see rifling. If you study it, you'll see it looks conical.
Post by: Huntbear on September 25, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
What model is the handgun... you should be able to google the specs on it and find out barrel length.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 25, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Post by: wraithen on September 25, 2012, 05:08:05 PM
Post by: Huntbear on September 25, 2012, 05:15:51 PM
Does that mean if I put a 4 in lone wolf barrel on my g27 I'm legal? :chuckle:
Actually it does.. as long as it is .25 caliber or larger... so 9mm, 40, hell even a 32 ACP in a 4 in. barrel is legal according t the regs.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2012, 08:25:19 PM
Post by: wraithen on September 25, 2012, 08:27:35 PM
Post by: Jburke on September 25, 2012, 08:32:32 PM
i thought it was .243 or larger RIFLE ? it says handguns not allowed :dunno: there is no accuracy or distance, why risk injuring it to go die and be wasted, they are not targets, they are meat to be harvested., just because it would be cool to say you did it, doesnt make it ok to try :twocents:Saying there is no accuracy or distance couldnt be farther from the truth. I can shoot farther with my scoped .357 than I ever could have with a bow. :twocents:
Post by: Kola16 on September 25, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
Post by: robescc on September 25, 2012, 10:22:55 PM
Post by: dscubame on September 25, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
i thought it was .243 or larger RIFLE ? it says handguns not allowed :dunno: there is no accuracy or distance, why risk injuring it to go die and be wasted, they are not targets, they are meat to be harvested., just because it would be cool to say you did it, doesnt make it ok to try :twocents:
That is just a plain ridiculous statement.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 26, 2012, 12:00:11 AM
so is this true or not?
and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we :rolleyes:
Post by: winshooter88 on September 26, 2012, 04:56:48 AM
Post by: robescc on September 26, 2012, 07:31:36 AM
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.
so is this true or not?
and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we :rolleyes:
Dude, most people can't shoot consistently at 300-400 yards. Most people don't hand load or have the barrel or optics to do so. You can do it with a factory rifle but it takes lots of practice. Besides, no one is going to take a shot at an animal at that range. The people shooting pistols that far are shooting steel.
Post by: runamuk on September 26, 2012, 07:51:30 AM
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.
so is this true or not?
and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we :rolleyes:
just requires practice.... it is perfectly legal to shoot a big game animal with a 24 caliber or larger handgun with a 4 inch barrell your hunters ed instructor either was mistaken or explained the law poorly. One of my hunting partners hopes to take a bear with a 44, and I want to one day hunt deer with a 357 :) there are plenty of handgunners the key is getting in close, also handguns can be used in many of the rifle restriction areas, so certain lands where you can only use handgun, muzzy, shotgun, and bow. I am far more comfortable and accurate with a handgun so that would be my choice for lands like this.
While I want to learn eventually to shoot out to 1000yds I really want to try and shoot game inside 100yds because I want to get close its part of the fun of hunting for me, that said I will shoot a deer or bear out to 300-400 with guidance and after I get some time on targets out that far I'd do it alone :dunno:
Post by: Encore 280 on September 26, 2012, 08:04:28 AM
Post by: runamuk on September 26, 2012, 08:11:10 AM
I have a 15" 308 bbl for my Encore that I would have no problem using for deer or elk out to 200yds but beyond that, no thanks I'm not that good. :twocents: Shooting steel beyond that, no problem. T/C wrote the book on long range steel. I wouldn't dream of trying to shoot an animal at 100yds with a 357. I don't believe there would be enough energy to make a clean kill that far away.
rifle 100yds......holy crap people I am always shocked at how twisted this stuff gets....we all need to put the exact distance because obviously it was not inferred.
I want to shoot a deer at about 50 feet with a 357, I hope to shoot all animals possible with my rifle inside of 100yds however would shoot past that with help because I am not comfortable guessing bullet drop crap yet. If season had been open my other partner coulda shot a cougar at 20 feet with his 9mm pistol...damn that would of been cool as hell.....
I never said I was gonna shoot a 357 out to 100yds, it seemed there was about ten discussions happening inside this one.....most handgun hunters I talk to all are shooting well inside about 40-50yds with the goal of shooting in increments of feet not yards :dunno:
again since some seem to have twisted it I will shoot a 357 up close .....one day.....in the meantime I still need to kill something so I can even talk on these threads.....
Post by: Encore 280 on September 26, 2012, 08:24:00 AM
Post by: LEN on September 26, 2012, 08:32:49 AM
LEN
Post by: dscubame on September 26, 2012, 08:35:07 AM
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.
so is this true or not?
and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we :rolleyes:
The ridiculous parts are those after your dunno icon...
Post by: Bob33 on September 26, 2012, 08:40:06 AM
The OP asked about the legality of using a Taurus 44 for hunting. I hope she got a correct answer before this thread veered off into the ethics weeds about shot distances.
Post by: Atroxus on September 26, 2012, 08:40:18 AM
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.
so is this true or not?
and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we :rolleyes:
just requires practice.... it is perfectly legal to shoot a big game animal with a 24 caliber or larger handgun with a 4 inch barrell your hunters ed instructor either was mistaken or explained the law poorly. One of my hunting partners hopes to take a bear with a 44, and I want to one day hunt deer with a 357 :) there are plenty of handgunners the key is getting in close, also handguns can be used in many of the rifle restriction areas, so certain lands where you can only use handgun, muzzy, shotgun, and bow. I am far more comfortable and accurate with a handgun so that would be my choice for lands like this.
While I want to learn eventually to shoot out to 1000yds I really want to try and shoot game inside 100yds because I want to get close its part of the fun of hunting for me, that said I will shoot a deer or bear out to 300-400 with guidance and after I get some time on targets out that far I'd do it alone :dunno:
There is a caveat on the handguns in firearm restricted areas...it has to be a revolver style handgun. semi-auto handguns are still illegal in firearms restriction areas.
Post by: Jburke on September 26, 2012, 08:44:27 AM
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.
so is this true or not?
and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we :rolleyes:
It is 100% legal. Read the rules. I was simply comparing the two. How is it ok to use a bow with an effective range of 40 or so yard, yet not ok to use a pistol that is capable of farther than that? That's what I don't get out of your original statement. If your talking about accuracy and distance then why is a shotgun legal as well?
The goal in hunting is to get as close as you can. Whether that's 100 yards or 20. I could hit a target at 75 with my 357, yet wouldn't take that long of a shot on an animal.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 26, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 26, 2012, 11:00:33 AM
Yes, your 9mm Glock is legal to hunt with. (But there's a clause somewhere that I read once that the wildlife agent has descretion with determining if a firearm of particular design/caliber is suitable for hunting. (they may have removed that from the RCW, as I can't find it anymore -still, why put yourself in that position?) I know that some have taken bear with 357mag and 45acp. I don't know that anyone would purposefully hunt with those calibers in a revolver or your semi-auto. It would be foolish/outright stupid to hunt big game with a 9mm.
I have taken 7 Blacktail with 44mag revolver. I use 250-300gn bullets hand loaded to the hilt, and while none of those deer ran away from the good kill shots, I have restricted my shots to be less than 75yds. (in fact- all were less than 35yds)
Knowing what you and your handgun are capable of are key in terms of accuracy and selected bullet performance. There is no need to practice out past 50yds if you can't consistently hit the ten ring off hand at 25yds. If you can't do this at 50yds, please keep practicing before you hunt big game with a handgun.
-Steve
Post by: wraithen on September 26, 2012, 11:06:16 AM
Post by: Atroxus on September 26, 2012, 11:39:32 AM
Knowing what you and your handgun are capable of are key in terms of accuracy and selected bullet performance. There is no need to practice out past 50yds if you can't consistently hit the ten ring off hand at 25yds. If you can't do this at 50yds, please keep practicing before you hunt big game with a handgun.
-Steve
I do agree that knowing your own limitations and that of the weapon used are key. I do find it odd though that you say you have harvested game with a hand gun, yet advise others not to do so unless they can meet the same level of skill you exhibit at 50 yards. I say use a handgun at whatever range you can consistently hit the vitals. If someone can do that at 25 yards but not at 50 I don't see a problem with them using a handgun as long as they limit their shots to their capabilities. :twocents: I doubt I could shoot that group offhand at 50 yards with a handgun. If I had an opportunity to take a deer at say 15-20 yards I wouldn't hesitate to use a handgun, anything beyond that and I would pass unless I was using a rifle.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 26, 2012, 12:00:20 PM
I do find it odd though that you say you have harvested game with a hand gun, yet advise others not to do so unless they can meet the same level of skill you exhibit at 50 yards.
Lets face it, MOST people will not be within 50yds during modern firearm season. I am a realist not an optimist. I was addressing some of the previous posts about shooting well behond 50yds. That is not the subject of the OP so I'll leave it at that. My measage is to know the gun, the shooters capability and the performance of the cartridge/bullet, to put the shorter barreled hand guns as a 'non-optimal' tool to harvest big game. -even if it is 'legal'.
-Steve
Post by: CHUCK S on September 26, 2012, 12:21:34 PM
Muzzle 50 100
1440/644 1274/504 1143/406
Post by: copasj on September 26, 2012, 12:57:10 PM
I do find it odd though that you say you have harvested game with a hand gun, yet advise others not to do so unless they can meet the same level of skill you exhibit at 50 yards.
Lets face it, MOST people will not be within 50yds during modern firearm season. I am a realist not an optimist. I was addressing some of the previous posts about shooting well behond 50yds. That is not the subject of the OP so I'll leave it at that. My measage is to know the gun, the shooters capability and the performance of the cartridge/bullet, to put the shorter barreled hand guns as a 'non-optimal' tool to harvest big game. -even if it is 'legal'.
-Steve
My experience has been that most deer are within 50 yards. 2 years ago we passed on a shot at 2 spikes during modern at closer to 15 yards. That's just my experience, can't say how it compares to most.
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Post by: Rdnkgirl88 on September 26, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
I myself use a 30-30 but my dad is disabled and has a hard time hiking and was hoping he would have an easier time with the pistol.
Do i dare ask you all if there is any limitations as far as hollow point bullets and maximum grain bulet you can use?
Thanks again everyone!!
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 26, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
-Steve
Post by: Rdnkgirl88 on September 26, 2012, 01:34:42 PM
Thank You
Post by: Atroxus on September 26, 2012, 01:41:41 PM
Post by: wraithen on September 26, 2012, 02:08:50 PM
Post by: Atroxus on September 26, 2012, 02:32:37 PM
No, FMJ's are allowed, they just have a much higher ricochet tendency than hunting bullets.
Any idea where that is in the regs now? I couldn't find it. :dunno:
Post by: wraithen on September 26, 2012, 02:41:16 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 26, 2012, 02:43:37 PM
Post by: Atroxus on September 26, 2012, 03:01:46 PM
It's legal to use them so they wouldn't put it in there.
Oh I missed the comma in your other response. I read it as "No FMJs are allowed." My bad.
PS I wouldn't use them for hunting, I was just curious.
Post by: Bob33 on September 26, 2012, 05:34:46 PM
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at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.Your instructor got it right. Hang guns were outlawed in the 1930s by the HANG act of 1937: "Hang guns Aint No Good".
Hand guns, on the other hand, are legal as long as they are .24 caliber or larger and have a 4" or longer barrel.
;)
Post by: brokenvet on September 27, 2012, 08:42:36 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on September 27, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
Post by: Kola16 on September 27, 2012, 02:59:42 PM
Quoteat hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.Your instructor got it right. Hang guns were outlawed in the 1930s by the HANG act of 1937: "Hang guns Aint No Good".
Hand guns, on the other hand, are legal as long as they are .24 caliber or larger and have a 4" or longer barrel.
;)
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
A 200+gr hunting bullet doing a 1000fps will kill any deer, elk or bear with proper shot placement under 100 yards period.
:yeah:
Post by: Rdnkgirl88 on September 27, 2012, 06:39:22 PM