Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 01, 2012, 12:23:44 AM
I am new to the winch world so thought I would ask. I am getting ready to buy one to throw on my samurai!!!
These are the 2 that I have decided I like the most. There is not much in price difference in them about 30-40.00. Both seem pretty close in spec's.
I am just looking for any feedback on them and which you think might be better.
thanks!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360276672632?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/360276672632?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200822226542?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/200822226542?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Post by: Eli346 on October 01, 2012, 04:47:54 AM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on October 01, 2012, 05:02:47 AM
Wired for towing now, tow bar on, now need to fix the cargo rack so I can throw packs on top, add a clicky start wire, and I think I'm done. Added fire extinguisher, hijack lift, 12v air compressor, tire plugs, tire chains, starter fluid for reseating the bead, fuses, shovel, ax. I know I'm missing something.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 01, 2012, 06:29:58 AM
....... starter fluid for reseating the bead...........How does that work?
Post by: CementFinisher on October 01, 2012, 06:44:24 AM
Spend the extra money and get a warn WARN M8274-50 upright. fastest line speed and pure pulling power. Or if your transfer case allows you could always go PTO and have raw power and save your alternator and battery
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2012, 06:48:11 AM
Post by: CementFinisher on October 01, 2012, 06:52:34 AM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2012, 07:16:03 AM
The explosion burning creates a vacuum pulling in enough air to re seat the bead. old wheeler jeeper trick.
Spend the extra money and get a warn WARN M8274-50 upright. fastest line speed and pure pulling power. Or if your transfer case allows you could always go PTO and have raw power and save your alternator and battery
8274 is about $1700. You don't need that big of a winch for a small vehicle.
Post by: CementFinisher on October 01, 2012, 07:23:40 AM
The explosion burning creates a vacuum pulling in enough air to re seat the bead. old wheeler jeeper trick.
Spend the extra money and get a warn WARN M8274-50 upright. fastest line speed and pure pulling power. Or if your transfer case allows you could always go PTO and have raw power and save your alternator and battery
8274 is about $1700. You don't need that big of a winch for a small vehicle.
Carp what will this rig be for? If just for rollong around on logging roads you dont need much of a winch at all. If your going to be wheeling go big. Ive been real stuck before, or have needed to winch into a tree to set a rig on top of another.
Post by: Huntbear on October 01, 2012, 07:49:46 AM
Oh, wait, wrong spelling... ummmmmmm never mind, carry on..
Post by: deerslyr on October 01, 2012, 08:36:34 AM
Either one will do fine. All of my buddies run csi and like them. I just run come-a-longs
Post by: Rick on October 01, 2012, 02:05:36 PM
Both hold similar amounts of cable,and both draw similar amounts of amperage.
Post by: Slenk on October 01, 2012, 02:43:33 PM
I'd go with the Smittybilt. Its 2x as fast as the Superwinch.:tup:
Both hold similar amounts of cable,and both draw similar amounts of amperage.
I ran a Smittybilt on my jeep . As good as any other. And better than a lot of others.
Post by: Rick on October 01, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
:tup:
I ran a Smittybilt on my jeep . As good as any other. And better than a lot of others.
I had an XRC8 on my Jeep as well. It pulled like a mo-fo every time I flipped the switch.
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Post by: gasman on October 01, 2012, 03:34:37 PM
http://store.4wheelingplus.com/categories.asp?ID=60 (http://store.4wheelingplus.com/categories.asp?ID=60)
(They run deals all the time and often give free shipping)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2012, 03:42:38 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 01, 2012, 03:58:26 PM
Yeah my samurai comes in at under 3k so a 8k should yard me out well :chuckle:
The info is great because I know nothing other then what i have read. I loke feedback from guys that have hands on time with stuff. I am never afraid to admit when I know nothing or little. This is one of them LOL
The line speed is something I never would have thought of.
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2012, 04:08:47 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 01, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
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Post by: Rick on October 01, 2012, 04:13:51 PM
Carp if the winch you get has wire cable take it off and replace with synthetic winch rope and if you can aluminum flairhead...
The problem with that is the cost. A quality synthetic rope will cost him more than the winch.
Post by: huntandjeep on October 01, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 01, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
The biggest issue with synthetic rope is abrasion resistance. I've never had an issue with the 150' of 5/16" cable on my Jeeps winch, that has been on the Jeep since it was 3 days old in 1982.
Post by: Rick on October 01, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
Yeah my samurai comes in at under 3k so a 8k should yard me out well :chuckle:
The info is great because I know nothing other then what i have read.
Then you probably aren't aware that a winches rated capacity comes when there is a single layer of cable left on the drum. Meaning that an 8000lb winch is only going to be able to pull 8000lbs when almost all the cable is spooled out.
Every layer of cable on the drum reduces the winches pull by about 1000lbs. An 8000lb winch with only 15-20' of cable spooled out will only pull about 5000lbs.
There is more to using a winch than just slapping one on your bumper.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 01, 2012, 04:25:30 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on October 01, 2012, 04:27:15 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on October 01, 2012, 04:29:48 PM
Plus, if your stuck in mud, the suction the vehicle will stall out most winches. A couple of good pulls, and you will soon find out just how much money was saved by buying a cheap winch.
Sounds like you have had fun on the busy wild lol. home town trail system, hard on rigs hard on winch's
Post by: gasman on October 01, 2012, 04:35:52 PM
Carp if the winch you get has wire cable take it off and replace with synthetic winch rope and if you can aluminum flairhead...
The problem with that is the cost. A quality synthetic rope will cost him more than the winch.
Not completely true. Smitty offers a winch with synthetic rope for $50 more than the winch with cable.
I will admit, the 8274 is the best winch on the market but to me it snot worth the extra expense. I ran a M8000 for several years and just replaced it with a Smitty last year. the M8000 is was just to slow and had to rebuild it or work on it every year :bash:
All my wheeling buddies have the 8274 and it works great with awesome line speed but if your on a budget, its hard to justify. Even the used ones sell for $800 plus but some times you can get them for as low as $400 (if the person does not know what they have :chuckle: :chuckle: )
I effing hate the Busy :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:Plus, if your stuck in mud, the suction the vehicle will stall out most winches. A couple of good pulls, and you will soon find out just how much money was saved by buying a cheap winch.
Sounds like you have had fun on the busy wild lol. home town trail system, hard on rigs hard on winch's
Post by: CementFinisher on October 01, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2012, 04:46:14 PM
Yes cable works, yes it has been around for ever.
So did iron sighted rifles but alot of people buy a rifle and then install a scope... :chuckle:
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Contact these guys, they have a little experience with them...and they are a Washington based company...
http://www.masterpull.com/ (http://www.masterpull.com/)
Post by: deerslyr on October 01, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
LOL. Few long day and nights broke on trail? Its like a highway since they logged. But alder loop and sunrise are getting funner
Been a long time since I went up to elbe. Sunrise and alder loop were always good runs. Always liked rainier vista too
Post by: Mudman on October 01, 2012, 05:07:27 PM
Post by: gasman on October 01, 2012, 05:16:03 PM
LOL. Few long day and nights broke on trail? Its like a highway since they logged. But alder loop and sunrise are getting funner
When were you up there last :dunno:
Late spring I was up there on my bike and there was a track hoe making the trail nasty again. The guys were moving boulders in to the traila nd digging new rabbit holes in the bottom trail section :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 01, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
I have been around and snapped more then one cable and chain. Not fun!!!! That's what happen when you live and work the farm as I do. I learned a long time ago about the blanket trick. I will never pull anything without one. I would for sure have one for the winch.
I did look at the syn ropes as well. That 6k that I was thinking about had one loaded in it. The problem was it's only like 55' where the cable winches are almost 100'
I have 100 yards of rope used on a chainsaw winch to pull critters out of the canyons. I plan on being able to use the winch on the Sammy to get the job done. Just put half hitches in the rope every 90' or so to yard them out.
I should not say I am 100% dumb to winches we do have one we use in the shop all the time to load the ranch rigs and lift our critters up. As far as on rigs, I have not been around them and that is why I am asking you folks that know what you are talking about :tup:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 01, 2012, 05:56:42 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on October 01, 2012, 06:01:03 PM
i spent 20 years wheelin, regularly, smittybuilt is crap, the solenoids burn up RIGHt when you need them, buy superwinch. smittys and warns left us in BAD places over the years, NEVER a superwinch.Both super and smitty are built in china. Only reason i'm runnnig one is cause it ws on my jeep. WHEN it craps out I will replace with Warn.
Post by: 92xj on October 01, 2012, 06:08:37 PM
picking up this pig was a work out but it didnt over heat and continued to pull when I pushed the button.
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Post by: Mudman on October 01, 2012, 07:16:46 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 01, 2012, 07:20:28 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 01, 2012, 07:54:11 PM
If we throw that one into the mix now how do we sit? :chuckle:
Post by: Mudman on October 01, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on October 01, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 01, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
I know.. not reference to the two winches you list, but as was said... even a good come-a-long is a bonus for a light Sami. -Still, I'd opt for roller farelead, if that has bearing on which winch of your choices to choose.
-Steve
Post by: Dan-o on October 01, 2012, 09:02:38 PM
Post by: wraithen on October 01, 2012, 09:05:05 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 01, 2012, 09:06:47 PM
-Steve
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 01, 2012, 09:19:42 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 01, 2012, 09:24:27 PM
I am looking in the under 500.00 range. Since my cradle and hitch mount will be about 100.00.
If you guys have a great winch in that range feel free to post it. I won't run the winch off the main battery the Sammy's have a 30 amp fuse that ties in that will pop when you get a winch stuck on it and to much draw. I will run it off another battery rather then the small one that runs the rig.
Post by: the1rod on October 01, 2012, 09:42:11 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 01, 2012, 09:42:28 PM
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/3309787197.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/3309787197.html) $350
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http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/pts/3308049904.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/pts/3308049904.html) $250
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/3298695437.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/3298695437.html) $450-new in box
Post by: CementFinisher on October 01, 2012, 09:42:46 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on October 01, 2012, 09:48:54 PM
LOL. Few long day and nights broke on trail? Its like a highway since they logged. But alder loop and sunrise are getting funner
When were you up there last :dunno:
Late spring I was up there on my bike and there was a track hoe making the trail nasty again. The guys were moving boulders in to the traila nd digging new rabbit holes in the bottom trail section :bash: :bash: :bash:
Up there alot. my club helps out with the trail maintenance so some of us were probably out there with the mini and ocks in the rigs. Trying to restore busy to its glory. The rocks were probably for rainier vista but a rock crawl in there. and a log jam crawl. the mini is to fill holes or block of closed portion of trail. If they were making holes bigger thats club wtf and should not be doing that. all trails have new signs for recomended tire size and armor.
Post by: gasman on October 02, 2012, 04:22:56 PM
LOL. Few long day and nights broke on trail? Its like a highway since they logged. But alder loop and sunrise are getting funner
When were you up there last :dunno:
Late spring I was up there on my bike and there was a track hoe making the trail nasty again. The guys were moving boulders in to the traila nd digging new rabbit holes in the bottom trail section :bash: :bash: :bash:
Up there alot. my club helps out with the trail maintenance so some of us were probably out there with the mini and ocks in the rigs. Trying to restore busy to its glory. The rocks were probably for rainier vista but a rock crawl in there. and a log jam crawl. the mini is to fill holes or block of closed portion of trail. If they were making holes bigger thats club wtf and should not be doing that. all trails have new signs for recomended tire size and armor.
They were on the Busy, down at the bottom. Where the rabbit holes and creek crossing is.
You can see (at the time we were there) where they moved big boulders on to the trail, dig holes were there was not before, and thet track hoe even lost a track and they had to fix it right on the trail. They had the trail blocked and we went around it with our bikes.
Post by: firefighter4607 on October 02, 2012, 04:59:54 PM
I vote Smitty but I would buy from this guy instead of Ebey and keep the money Local :tup::yeah: I have seen him on a off road club forum I vist quite often. I would join this site and post a bit of info about you and your rig.http://easternwashingtonadventures.com/forumdisplay.php/141-4WheelingPlus-com (http://easternwashingtonadventures.com/forumdisplay.php/141-4WheelingPlus-com) Then message him to see what his EWA discount will get you. He is out of Kittitas. Seems link a good guy
http://store.4wheelingplus.com/categories.asp?ID=60 (http://store.4wheelingplus.com/categories.asp?ID=60)
(They run deals all the time and often give free shipping)
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on October 02, 2012, 05:01:51 PM
:dunno:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 02, 2012, 05:13:03 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on October 02, 2012, 05:55:57 PM
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Post by: toyman2 on December 08, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
I have always had Warn and now will never even think of going to anything else. I was in a worse case scnero were I was way back in the middle of no where, miles and hours away from anything. I was in my Toyota with a Warn 6000# and had 2 jeeps with 8274s. To make a long storie short, I broke the input shaft between my 2 transfer cases which left me with no drive at all on a super steep hill. we were in none stop steep hill climbs country. Needless to say just towing my rig out was not an option (we tried) we ended up using the winches, we had to alternate the 8274s cause they would take the battries down so far the jeeps would die, I turned my idle up and ran my 6000# Warn the whole time and everytime we were winching (mine takes way less Amps). This trip ended up with 12 hours of winching and not one of the 3 winchs ever even had a hicup. We had some very hard pulls, most of the time things went slow but it never stopped except or a rerig. There was a big storie wrote about it at one time and I cant find it or I'd post it. There was a few times that had any of the winchs quit I would have been screwed. I have tested Warns in almost every extreme condition. All that said A winch is not a place to skimp out on. I am willing to save for a couple more months to get a Warn. Also look around on craigslist, I have found tons for less the $500 even the 8274 I have now.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 08, 2012, 10:51:28 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 08, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on December 08, 2012, 09:18:51 PM
Roller on the left, Hawse on the right.
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Post by: Revwrangler on December 08, 2012, 10:28:01 PM