Post by: BLUEBULLS on October 02, 2012, 07:07:56 PM
I've thought about doing it to my 2011 but I don't really know if I want to sacrifice ride, mileage, excess wear, etc.
I haven't looked at many options but I'm thinking if I do it it would be minimal, maybe enough to run 285/75/16's. I've heard there's a TSB that puts a 4 pack of springs under the rear rather than 3 and you can add different Bilstein adjustable shocks in the front and get about 2".
Truck is a double cab, 4.0 with 6sp manual. It's plenty powerful now but I'm worried what the tires might do to the power and mileage.
Any input from those who have one? what happened to your ride, power, mileage?
Post by: TheHunt on October 02, 2012, 07:32:44 PM
I put a 4 inch lift from Les Schwab it was 465 dollars out the door.
I put 33 inch KM2 tires on the truck
I got stuck 3 times and all three were in the snow with the stock setup. I have never been stuck since.
It dropped the gas milage but I was never stuck again and that was worth. You do loose a little power but nothing too horrable.
My son took it over to WSU. So it is gone!!!
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 03, 2012, 07:14:54 AM
Post by: KopperBuck on October 03, 2012, 11:36:14 AM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on October 04, 2012, 06:59:01 AM
I still have my '01 Tacoma, but got rid of an '07 that had a 3" with 32 Toyos last fall. I hated to drive it. Loud, rough, and it was a complete squirrel on the road. I would pull my 18' glass bass boat with my 4banger rather than drag it behind that '07. No more lifts for us, serves us no purpose and haven't been happy with the results. Just my :twocents:
I have an 98' ext cab with no lift, 32/11.5 BFG's and the 2.7L, it gets my vote for the best all around hunting rig ever! 260k and runs like it did on day one without leaking a drop of anything!
Maybe I need to drive a newer, lifted double cab. Maybe I'll just throw some 265/75/16 mud terrains on and call it good.
Post by: archery288 on October 04, 2012, 07:25:45 AM
I get about 15 mpg on the freeway and 12-13 mpg in town. To clear 35's you'll have to shave the front part of your frame on the back of the fenderwell otherwise it will rub pretty good if turning and going over any sort of bump or curb. My first set of 35's got several nice chunks out of the lugs before I realized I hadn't shaved enough and after running around on some logging roads... :bash: Got that all taken care of now though and it's been a great truck and honestly goes anywhere you want it! Drove around in over a foot of snow last year with no chains and you honestly would have thought you were on dry ground. I'm debating about trading it in for a 2011 or newer double cab and doing the same lift and keeping my wheels and tires to put on it. These Tacoma's are great trucks hands down!
Post by: dawgfatha81 on October 04, 2012, 07:44:15 AM
rides great and still feels stock.
ive tested it out on backroads plenty and it rides great.
Post by: NW-GSP on October 04, 2012, 08:33:29 AM
Spend the money on getting a selectable locker in the rear of your truck would be my opinion.
The extra cost of tire, gas and wear and tear are not worth the lift. Guess it depends on how much time you will actually spend off road with the truck
Post by: BLUEBULLS on October 04, 2012, 11:19:14 AM
I have a 97 Tacoma with no lift and have 31 in tires that have taken me everywhere I have needed to go and then some.
Spend the money on getting a selectable locker in the rear of your truck would be my opinion.
The extra cost of tire, gas and wear and tear are not worth the lift. Guess it depends on how much time you will actually spend off road with the truck
already has the factory e-locker :tup:
Post by: BLUEBULLS on October 04, 2012, 11:21:36 AM
I put a 4 inch lift on my 2011 with 33 inch tires on stock rims and i love it.
rides great and still feels stock.
ive tested it out on backroads plenty and it rides great.
what did your fuel mileage do?
I'd also stick with stock rims or aftermarket that are a little wider but no taller, I'd be doing it for capability reasons so I need sidewall :)
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on October 04, 2012, 11:41:10 AM
I put a 4 inch lift on my 2011 with 33 inch tires on stock rims and i love it.
rides great and still feels stock.
ive tested it out on backroads plenty and it rides great.
what did your fuel mileage do?
I'd also stick with stock rims or aftermarket that are a little wider but no taller, I'd be doing it for capability reasons so I need sidewall :)
:yeah: I have the same truck. I am currently running the 265x70R17 I noticed little to no change in fuel mileage over stock.... 16mpg daily to 18 or a little better straight highway. I second sticking with stock wheels... I bought aftermarket wheels :bash:. And wish I had stuck with stock. My bro has the same pickup and is running 265 stock ( no lift ), no clearance issue. I am sure with a small lift you would clear what you are looking at without any trouble.
Post by: dawgfatha81 on October 04, 2012, 11:59:31 AM
fuel doesnt change enough to notice.
great mod to this great truck.
ill run mine till it falls apart.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 04, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
I still have my '01 Tacoma, but got rid of an '07 that had a 3" with 32 Toyos last fall. I hated to drive it. Loud, rough, and it was a complete squirrel on the road. I would pull my 18' glass bass boat with my 4banger rather than drag it behind that '07. No more lifts for us, serves us no purpose and haven't been happy with the results. Just my :twocents:
I have an 98' ext cab with no lift, 32/11.5 BFG's and the 2.7L, it gets my vote for the best all around hunting rig ever! 260k and runs like it did on day one without leaking a drop of anything!
Maybe I need to drive a newer, lifted double cab. Maybe I'll just throw some 265/75/16 mud terrains on and call it good.
Personally, I'd throw on the 265/75/16 mud terrains and call it good. I've owned a bunch of Toyota's over the years, and feel a small lift with this size tire is hard to beat. :twocents:
Post by: whacker1 on October 04, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
better gas mileage due to less wind resistance and road resistance from the narrower tire. I am really happy with this tire size on my F150.
33k miles with 40% tread left. Best tires I have had on this truck in 4 sets of tires.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 04, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
235/85/16 Fierce Tires - no rub due to narrower tire. Still 31.73 inch tall by 9.25 inches wide. vs 265/75/16 which is 31.65 inches tall by 10.4 wide.
better gas mileage due to less wind resistance and road resistance from the narrower tire. I am really happy with this tire size on my F150.
33k miles with 40% tread left. Best tires I have had on this truck in 4 sets of tires.
Wouldn't argue with that choice either. :tup:
Post by: whacker1 on October 04, 2012, 04:26:23 PM
235/85/16 Fierce Tires - no rub due to narrower tire. Still 31.73 inch tall by 9.25 inches wide. vs 265/75/16 which is 31.65 inches tall by 10.4 wide.
better gas mileage due to less wind resistance and road resistance from the narrower tire. I am really happy with this tire size on my F150.
33k miles with 40% tread left. Best tires I have had on this truck in 4 sets of tires.
Wouldn't argue with that choice either. :tup:
I forgot to mention that they do throw rocks
Post by: MtnMuley on October 05, 2012, 08:08:38 AM
235/85/16 Fierce Tires - no rub due to narrower tire. Still 31.73 inch tall by 9.25 inches wide. vs 265/75/16 which is 31.65 inches tall by 10.4 wide.
better gas mileage due to less wind resistance and road resistance from the narrower tire. I am really happy with this tire size on my F150.
33k miles with 40% tread left. Best tires I have had on this truck in 4 sets of tires.
Wouldn't argue with that choice either. :tup:
I forgot to mention that they do throw rocks
I'm running that size on one rig right now, and 255/85 on another for hunting/winter tires. They are both rock chuckers. Gotta burn the tread off several other sets, so I can get back to where I want to be, lol.
Post by: TeacherMan on October 05, 2012, 08:18:24 AM
Post by: scottcrb on October 05, 2012, 08:45:48 AM
Post by: blackhorn on October 05, 2012, 08:55:37 AM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on October 05, 2012, 02:12:24 PM
I did the tsb with my 07 (don't have it anymore). It gave about two inches of lift which allowed for bigger tires, I think they were 275's. I know I could not put 285's on going that route. The 275's did require a little trimming of the wheel well. I was running Goodyear duratracs which looked pretty good and preformed just as well.
what did you do for the front end?
Post by: blackhorn on October 06, 2012, 09:03:01 AM
Post by: thinkingman on November 20, 2012, 10:12:32 AM
There is no benefit, only problems.
I have a 2006 Dbl cab 6-speed.
The rear springs are a joke...ride on the framerails since 50k miles.
The TSB rear springs is not much better.
I have 17" factory wheels and run 265-70-17 Michelin LTX AT's and they measure 31.7" and no rubbing.
I would not go any wider, if anything, narrower.
I had to put airbags under the truck to get it off the framerails, waiting on OME Dakar springs for rear, hope I don't get much lift, because the angle of the carrier bearings won't tolerate much change.
I did put Bilstein 5100 shocks on all four and they're excellent.
I maintained stock ride height, don't want a lift, never been stuck.
the gearing on these cars is ridiculous.
2400rpm at 70mph is just stupid.
The reverse ratio is equally retarded...apparently Toyota thinks you have a greater need to drive 20mph in reverse than have enough torque to back up a driveway without slipping the clutch excessively.
PM me for much more on suspension mods, I've researched it out the @$$.
Post by: dawgfatha81 on November 20, 2012, 10:41:03 AM
Post by: fish vacuum on November 20, 2012, 07:05:20 PM
the gearing on these cars is ridiculous.
2400rpm at 70mph is just stupid.
That's lower rpm's than most of the earlier toyotas.
Post by: mrgoodwrench on December 24, 2012, 11:34:40 AM
Post by: deaner on December 24, 2012, 12:18:28 PM
Post by: DRobnsn on December 24, 2012, 01:32:36 PM
The worst mileage I have seen was 15mpg on a return trip from Wyoming loaded with two guys and all of our gear for a 2 week hunting trip with the cruise set on 75-80 mph.
As far as ride the truck ride's great off and on road except for the bottoming out issue.
I do have one suggestion on lifting the double cab if your going to do it be prepared to buy a one piece double cardan rear drive shaft to get rid of the carrier bearing and the vibrations you may end up with.
As far as the squeaking issue the only thing I have ever had squeak on mine were the door seals after going to Wyoming where it was extremely dusty. They had a good coating of dust on them and slightly squeaked on the trip home. When I returned home I wiped them off and cleaned the whole truck obviously no more squeaks.
Post by: mrgoodwrench on December 24, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
Post by: swanny on December 25, 2012, 07:54:34 AM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on December 26, 2012, 06:52:43 AM
I imagine that only doing that I wouldn't have issues with carrier bearing or angles, or would I?
I agree with the gearing, for stock tire size anyways. It might be good if going to a bigger tire. I'm always trying to hit 7th gear :chuckle:
Post by: thinkingman on December 27, 2012, 09:31:28 AM
Pre-loading springs is counter productive unless you have a pavement queen and are only concerned with looks.
Real springs are only another $160.
Post by: DRobnsn on December 28, 2012, 09:45:50 PM
I wouldn't think you would have any issues with just the tsb rear springs. As far as driveshaft issues go. That is probably about all you can go for height though before you run into issues.
Post by: DRobnsn on December 28, 2012, 09:48:03 PM
Post by: mrgoodwrench on December 29, 2012, 08:04:21 PM
Post by: thinkingman on December 30, 2012, 10:12:40 PM
I've got no vibrations on my 08 with an add a leaf. I still have the factory driveshaft and carrier bearing. It is a double cab long box though, so it would have a lower driveline angle than most.Mine does....hoping the front springs will reduce the geometry enough or drop the carrier bearing.
Post by: mrgoodwrench on December 31, 2012, 12:50:54 PM
Post by: thinkingman on December 31, 2012, 03:05:35 PM
I will shim if necessary, but hope lifting/leveling will help.
Never had any driveline whine or vibes with the airbags.
Post by: DRobnsn on December 31, 2012, 03:16:25 PM
Post by: scottcrb on December 31, 2012, 04:04:44 PM
Post by: thinkingman on January 04, 2013, 01:51:05 PM
I never knew what this car felt like with real springs!
Toyota should be ashamed of the crap they send out the door.....
The OME Dakars are still ridin high...they settled about a half inch over the last couple of weeks.
Very smooth, progressive....lot's more travel than what I had before and the Bilstein 5100's seem like a good match.
I got the OME 883 springs in last night with a 5mm spacer on the drivers side to correct the lean.
The 883's lifted it about 1 1/2 inch and ride really nice, again, a good match for the Bilstein 5100's.
My alignment is not far off, slight right cant to the steering wheel...the 884's get into an alignment area I don't want to go.
883's are a good compromise.
I am still ass-high by about an inch....would really like to see the rear settle more.
Ride quality is so much better, small bumps, big bumps and potholes, amazing.
I have a pretty loud vibe even after shimming the carrier bearing....Maybe the U-joints are going?
Post by: DRobnsn on January 04, 2013, 04:12:23 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 04, 2013, 05:34:42 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 04, 2013, 05:39:37 PM
thinkingman im interested in how your set up works as well. i have a '94 ex cab that i want to put the bilsteinn 5100's and some OME spring on. my rear sags a bit too. wouldnt mind a small lift maybe 2" just for loks and stance and to deal with some big ruts and possible tires
94? You shouldn't have coils on the front?
Post by: scottcrb on January 04, 2013, 05:42:10 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 04, 2013, 05:46:14 PM
NO COILS ON THE 94' JUST SHOCKS UP FRONT AND LOOKING TO PUT THE OME DAKAR LEAFS IN THE REAR.
Woah woah! No need to use all caps on me lol
You can get dakars but I've heard a few people say they will sag after a bit. You could also go to a 1.5" aal.
Post by: scottcrb on January 04, 2013, 05:47:52 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 04, 2013, 05:49:54 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 04, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
Right here brotha, toytec lifts are pretty damn good and respected.
Post by: scottcrb on January 04, 2013, 05:56:23 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 04, 2013, 05:58:33 PM
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Post by: thinkingman on January 04, 2013, 08:25:43 PM
I believe the opposite.NO COILS ON THE 94' JUST SHOCKS UP FRONT AND LOOKING TO PUT THE OME DAKAR LEAFS IN THE REAR.
Woah woah! No need to use all caps on me lol
You can get dakars but I've heard a few people say they will sag after a bit. You could also go to a 1.5" aal.
Toyota 'springs' are nothing you want under your truck.
AAL is a bandaid.
Get some real springs and be done with it.
Toytec likes the Eibach springs and they have a reputation of being stiff.
Post by: thinkingman on January 04, 2013, 08:27:35 PM
I'm not sure if this will help you thinkingman but, I ended up spending a fair amount of time under my truck trying to get rid of vibes. When I got the truck it had 3 degree shims in the rear and a 1.5 inch block, also a spacer in the carrier bearing. After measuring angles on the shafts, trans, and rear end the thing that got me closest to the proper angles was rotating the carrier bearing 180 degrees. No shims anywhere. I would like to lift the back another inch but I doubt I can do it without vibs coming back. Then the only fix I know of is the double cardan drive shaft.Great stuff.
I will try it.
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 04, 2013, 08:29:50 PM
Post by: Tealer on January 04, 2013, 08:38:22 PM
Post by: mrgoodwrench on January 05, 2013, 10:40:06 AM
I believe the opposite.NO COILS ON THE 94' JUST SHOCKS UP FRONT AND LOOKING TO PUT THE OME DAKAR LEAFS IN THE REAR.
Woah woah! No need to use all caps on me lol
You can get dakars but I've heard a few people say they will sag after a bit. You could also go to a 1.5" aal.
Toyota 'springs' are nothing you want under your truck.
AAL is a bandaid.
Get some real springs and be done with it.
Toytec likes the Eibach springs and they have a reputation of being stiff.
I wouldn't call an add-a-leaf a bandaid. I've installed them in a lot of vehicles front and rear for people, and run them in my 08 Tacoma. I'm also the one without the driveline vibrations here with Toyota springs and an add-a-leaf. I would say that is a viable option for a little lift, and is better than a block that tends to induce axle wrap.
Post by: thinkingman on January 06, 2013, 12:17:51 PM
If you still have any arch in your OEM leafs, it might work.
I use mine as a truck and Toyota clearly didn't intend that.
There is an interesting thread on Tacomaworld that talks about people adding Chevy leafs to their OE spring pack to get more support out of it.