Post by: enaz on October 12, 2012, 10:13:22 PM
Post by: snowshoes22 on October 12, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Post by: enaz on October 13, 2012, 07:57:28 AM
Post by: chad s. on October 13, 2012, 08:34:52 AM
Post by: hunterrcc on October 13, 2012, 08:45:36 AM
Prepare him for the worst experience of his life. Stevens is widely known as the biggest pr*** in Eastern Washington. The WDFW doesn't like him, nor does anyone else "except his fellow adjacent landowners" in Grant County. He will try to charge you big bucks for the hunt! Even if you drive the public roads through, and around his property and look like a hunter he will follow you, threaten to call the cops, and tell you that you cannot be there! There is nothing good about this guy, and I can assure you there will be nothing good about your grandfathers hunt. He is the reason the adjecent units like Harrington don't have as many deer as they did 7 years ago. The deer know they can take refuge on area 201.
I completely disagree and you must try to hunt his property illegally to piss him off. He is very nice and has been more then friendly on his hunts and very cool and has improved the hunting in all of the surrounding areas. For you to say his hunt is going to be *censored*ty is completely false. I have hunted his property more then a half dozen times. I personally drew a youth tag there when I was younger and had a blast. I also have got does on his property as well as many does for my grandpa also a buck tag for my mom. So I do have plenty of experience with him and they have all been 100% successful and lots of deer to look at and hunt. So for you to bash someone is totally false. The only reason the department may disagree with him would be because he knows how to manage his deer herds to get big bucks on his property. Don't hate on a guy because he owes awesome hunting ground that he has built over year of managing right! You will have a great hunt for your grandpa with no pressure on the deer and no aholes walking on top of you!
Post by: SkookumHntr on October 13, 2012, 08:53:27 AM
Post by: Pinetar on October 13, 2012, 08:23:47 PM
Enaz- Your grandpa should have a great time.
Post by: elkaholic123 on November 13, 2012, 09:29:30 AM
Derek is a very good guy and gets an A in my book, he has done alot for the deer in the surrounding areas. I will post pics when I get home. Jerry
Post by: Roperfive88 on November 13, 2012, 12:54:49 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 13, 2012, 01:18:52 PM
I heard that buckrun has public land within the property but it is all land locked. If that is the case I have a problem with someone profiting of public land. I am all for management of deer herds to get quality animals but not for personal gain on public ground. I don"t know where the boundaries are so I can't look it up on a map? Has anyone heard the same thing? This is just what I have heard.
A lot of public land is landlocked by private... Why would it be his fault if he didn't, or wasn't able to purchase it????
I went on one doe hunt there for a youth... I don't think I met Stevens but the guy who pretty much told us where to go was nice and polite... He even came up with a quad and hauled the kid and deer to my truck while I walked back... And two of the bucks we saw were in the 170's and one closer to 190's!!! I made the kid hold off on 3 does just so we could watch the bucks!! :chuckle: If you can see that kind of quality deer in such a small time frame... Maybe 2 1/2 hours... He's doing something right...
Post by: C_B_W on November 13, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on November 13, 2012, 02:58:52 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on November 13, 2012, 03:17:55 PM
Post by: JLS on November 13, 2012, 03:37:52 PM
I think the public land is the stafford game preserve which is closed to hunting.
No, there is some accessible state land within the Buckrun.
They can grow big deer because they don't shoot very many. It's not rocket science.
Post by: enaz on November 13, 2012, 04:03:12 PM
Post by: coachcw on November 13, 2012, 04:40:00 PM
Post by: doyourtime89 on November 13, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
After starting this post I found out I knew 3 of the 10 tag holders . 2 of them already went and my grandpa's hunt is tomorrow. Both of them got good bucks. One of them being a Real heavy 24" 4 point with a kicker off one side. The other is a heavy 24" 4 point. From what they said there are some monsters runnin around there if he can get on one. I guess the fog's been really bad over there the past few days so hopefully it clears up for him. I'll be waiting anxiously with knife in hand ready to skin it for him tomorrow, I'll be posting his pics tomorrow night. Thanks everyone for the input
You said your grandpas hunt is tomorrow. I have heard they schedule your hunts as day hunts. Does that mean you just get one day total for the whole season or just one day at a time then its the next hunters turn? So if your grandpa doesn't get one tomorrow is he done or will he get another chance or a few more chances???? How does that all work?
Post by: enaz on November 13, 2012, 08:59:21 PM
Post by: huntnnw on November 13, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
Post by: Jack Diamond on November 13, 2012, 10:01:58 PM
Post by: tlbradford on November 14, 2012, 01:09:50 AM
Post by: hoffmas56 on November 14, 2012, 02:11:22 PM
Post by: 206 on November 14, 2012, 02:57:50 PM
We used to pass shoot geese on the firing lines on the south east side of Billy Clapp lake. It's state land around that end of the lake also and I had seen deer in there too but this was before Buckrun even existed. There's got to be more deer in there now then ever before and I was always tempted to hunt it for 3pnt bucks, but it's too long a walk going across the dam.
Buckrun is a joke and always has been in my opinion.
Post by: enaz on November 14, 2012, 06:40:55 PM
Post by: Dan-o on November 14, 2012, 06:44:10 PM
Unless I could somehow draw it. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please.......
Post by: Gringo31 on November 14, 2012, 06:57:47 PM
By that I mean, not much middle ground. It's a real love or hate relationship :dunno:
Congrats to your grandpa!
Post by: walleye1 on November 14, 2012, 07:52:29 PM
Post by: 206 on November 14, 2012, 08:16:57 PM
Wow...this is almost like politics.....
By that I mean, not much middle ground. It's a real love or hate relationship :dunno:
Congrats to your grandpa!
Nice synopsis Gringo. (I like the avatar). You called it dude, Hater Here.
Read other posts about the WDFW not happy about their Mafia operation and would like to here more about this for entertainment value if someone would like to share.
It's all about the money isn't it? How much money did Bucksruns get for for those horns? What about the Mafia's "take" that nobody knows about? I consider those doe tags on their land prostitution. Anybody who participates in prostitution is a low life.
So those who are happy with their experience at bucks run: Are you really proud of that buck from the Mafia? You bucked up the bucks..........for a one day hunt... and the crew gave you a buck for statistical purposes.
Post by: 206 on November 14, 2012, 08:46:46 PM
Post by: predatorpro on November 14, 2012, 09:05:29 PM
the public property use to have a public road to it....I heard that buckrun has public land within the property but it is all land locked. If that is the case I have a problem with someone profiting of public land. I am all for management of deer herds to get quality animals but not for personal gain on public ground. I don"t know where the boundaries are so I can't look it up on a map? Has anyone heard the same thing? This is just what I have heard.
A lot of public land is landlocked by private... Why would it be his fault if he didn't, or wasn't able to purchase it????
I went on one doe hunt there for a youth... I don't think I met Stevens but the guy who pretty much told us where to go was nice and polite... He even came up with a quad and hauled the kid and deer to my truck while I walked back... And two of the bucks we saw were in the 170's and one closer to 190's!!! I made the kid hold off on 3 does just so we could watch the bucks!! :chuckle: If you can see that kind of quality deer in such a small time frame... Maybe 2 1/2 hours... He's doing something right...
Post by: Dan-o on November 14, 2012, 09:22:03 PM
Tough to understand the hate of Buckrun here.....
* Private Land
* Well managed for deer (very well managed)
Would you feel better if they managed it poorly, or is this just jealousy because you don't get access to absolutely primo private land?
I mean, I'd love access to hunt there year in and year out, but why hate them becasue they do suck a good job? If it were yours, wouldn't you protect it, too? I would!
Is it ok to have access to semi-primo private land, but not truly priumo private land?
Lots of us work hard to secure access to private land.....
Post by: 264winmag on November 14, 2012, 09:28:31 PM
First of all, grow up! you know who you are. No need for name calling. I'm glad you have had good experience there. But that doesn't mean 206 is a joke, hater or anything. Maybe he has had bad experiences. Let him share them.
Here's my experiences, not slander, here say, just facts.
I have been followed by him and his henchmen on a maintained county road! I was not hunting nor did I have a rifle,bow or muzzeloader in my rig. I was going to shot one all right! with my Nikon.
WDFW needs to step in and get rid of this program all together. No one except his business partner ( the one who owns the majority of the land ) likes him in Wilson Creek or the surrounding areas. He ran out of a community meeting a few years ago at the school like a coward. Buckrun Has no boundries! just pieces of private land/sections/parcels scatter through out the Stratford/Wilson Creek areas. Most of them have public/county road running right through them. People think he's a prick because he acts like one. Telling people they can't drive county roads? Who the f$%^ does he think he is. He has put in some food plots and done some management. All buckrun raffle bucks are management bucks. If you have $1000.00 a point you can shoot a monster! He does not own the Deer the state of Washington does. If the deer leave one of the "201" contracted pieces of private property, too bad. He abd his business partners need to drop the "godlike attitude" over there and quit messing with people unless they are accually tresspassing!
You want to know why people in the area don't like him! Lets say I came to you becuase you have some land where these deer like to travel. I say " Let me manage your land and open it to hunting and I will keep the riffraff out and you don't need worry about a thing" you agree and sign a contract. Then later you find out I'm making Thousands of dollars off your land and you don't get a penny! Everyone following me here? Then, because we have a contract you can't back out or give Mr. John Smith and his son permission to hunt your land because you are under contract with Stevens!
Lets say for instance! Your son wins a raffle buck hunt there! In the regs it says "ANY BUCK". Your day comes and as a proud father you are right there next to him. You are told " ok, i'm going to honk the horn and when they stand up. you shoot that one!" He honks the horn, they stand up and your son shoots the monster pig he wasn't supposed to shoot! kinda funny really but how would you feel about this> He turns to your 12yo son and says "what the F#$% are you doing? you cant shoot that one!" Yelling and screaming at the kid who now is in tears. Telling your son he is NOT taking that deer home becasuse he gets $1000.00 a point for a deer like that! At this point your ready to beat this guys ass up and down the country side for how he is treating your only son! And you say "my son is taking that buck or we can call the game warden right now!" They say " take your F#$%^&^g deer and get the F#$% off my property all while your kid is in tears and can here all this! How would that make you feel? There is no Frickin deer in the world worth ruining your child's look on the sport of hunting.
Everyone has an opinion and that's what makes forums fun! But I chimed in Because I know the Facts! Feel free to question me if you like because you love the guy for whatever reason. But the whole thing is a SHAME plain and simple!
His wife told me on the phone once that I could "BUY" a winning raffle ticket with enough money! When I asked how much she said" IDK shoot me a #. I hung up.
Have your private property and charge people to hunt there. Be an Outfiiter/guide whatever. NO PROBLEM!
But the fact that WDFW is involved with this character is what makes the whole thing hard to swallow. WDFW, just close the program and let them do what they want with thier land. But false advertising in the regs and allowing this guy to continue with the DFW name attached? You should be embarrassed!
Post by: Ridgerunner on November 14, 2012, 09:39:32 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on November 14, 2012, 09:40:49 PM
Things not to talk about at a party, politics, sex, and religion (and Buckrun), boy what a can of worms this topic is turning into.
I cleaned up the thread a bit. Feel free to continue doing so if you think it needs it.
Post by: predatorpro on November 14, 2012, 09:46:34 PM
Post by: elkaholic123 on November 15, 2012, 05:04:57 AM
Post by: Selkirk on November 15, 2012, 06:00:28 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on November 15, 2012, 07:31:02 AM
Post by: Ripper on November 15, 2012, 07:34:31 AM
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It's all about the money isn't it? How much money did Bucksruns get for for those horns? What about the Mafia's "take" that nobody knows about? I consider those doe tags on their land prostitution. Anybody who participates in prostitution is a low life.
So those who are happy with their experience at bucks run: Are you really proud of that buck from the Mafia? You bucked up the bucks..........for a one day hunt... and the crew gave you a buck for statistical purposes.
I'm a big fan of prostitution, takes all the headaches out of things. It should be legalized!
Post by: Ripper on November 15, 2012, 07:36:24 AM
Post by: tlbradford on November 15, 2012, 07:38:34 AM
Post by: C-Money on November 15, 2012, 09:52:19 AM
Post by: elkaholic123 on November 15, 2012, 09:56:56 AM
Oh yea, let's see grampa's buck, ignore the post from the previous pinheads trying to rain on your parade. Show that baby off!Yes, lets see some pics :drool:
Post by: C_B_W on November 15, 2012, 11:50:54 AM
Post by: jk on November 15, 2012, 05:59:43 PM
Post by: snowshoes22 on November 15, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
It's state land around that end of the lake also and I had seen deer in there too but this was before Buckrun even existed. There's got to be more deer in there now then ever before and I was always tempted to hunt it for 3pnt bucks, but it's too long a walk going across the dam.
Buckrun is a joke and always has been in my opinion.
Not trying to thread jack. The state and Blm ground around stratford lake and Billy clapp is a game reserve for the first 1/4 mile. You will be prosecuted for hunting these areas. You can not cross the dam and hunt even though it is state land. Take it from a local. Every year someone gets busted crossing the dam.
Post by: enaz on November 15, 2012, 09:33:36 PM
Post by: elkaholic123 on November 15, 2012, 09:40:17 PM
Post by: tlbradford on November 15, 2012, 09:49:48 PM
Post by: enaz on November 15, 2012, 10:24:47 PM
Post by: Jack Diamond on November 15, 2012, 10:46:27 PM
Post by: 206 on November 16, 2012, 08:06:22 AM
It's state land around that end of the lake also and I had seen deer in there too but this was before Buckrun even existed. There's got to be more deer in there now then ever before and I was always tempted to hunt it for 3pnt bucks, but it's too long a walk going across the dam.
Buckrun is a joke and always has been in my opinion.
Not trying to thread jack. The state and Blm ground around stratford lake and Billy clapp is a game reserve for the first 1/4 mile. You will be prosecuted for hunting these areas. You can not cross the dam and hunt even though it is state land. Take it from a local. Every year someone gets busted crossing the dam.
So nobody pass shoots geese from the firing line anymore? I grew crossing the dam and walking the road through the reserve to hunt the reserve edge along with many many others. Last time I did this was 25 years ago and there were others doing the same. I guess things have changed.
Post by: snowshoes22 on November 16, 2012, 08:11:01 AM
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Post by: doyourtime89 on November 16, 2012, 08:36:56 AM
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Post by: elkoholic1 on November 16, 2012, 09:06:13 AM
Post by: tlbradford on November 16, 2012, 09:33:18 AM
Post by: hunterrcc on November 16, 2012, 11:10:54 AM
The guy with the story about the 12 year old is just crazy and don't belief a single bit of it. Maybe they were tresspasing and Stevens came up on them shooting the deer and then I would see him chewing you out. Don't be jealous that he leased up land turned it into prime mule deer hunting by his food plots and water and no pressure then those areas he leased up started having big bucks on them and everyone bitches because they cant hunt it. Maybe if you want to have good hunting lands you should start leasing up land or buying it and you would not need to bitch anymore or maybe get out of the truck and do some hiking if you want to kill a big buck on public ground. just saying
Post by: tlbradford on November 16, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
Post by: Ripper on November 16, 2012, 01:19:22 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on November 16, 2012, 01:36:22 PM
Huntercc, the biggest beef with Stevens was the money spent by WDFW to improve his private land. Then to get harassed by his employees for hunting the public land bordering his property. Not to mention the planes pushing deer out of adjacent land onto 201. Then the increased pressure to all the surrounding areas. Then convincing adjacent farmers to lease their ground for hunting, when many had been hunting it for generations. I don't let it get to me anymore because like you said, I could do something similar. Just know that a lot of money was paid by the taxpayer to get him started, in exchange for the raffle hunts, etc.
Yeah I agree on the wasted money but does that suprise anyone on here? The department of wildlife is a joke they just want our money then they waste it on all kinds of stupid things. For example the written permission sign program!!! I have ask thousands of them for permission all over the state only a hand full was I ever able to get permission on they were always full! And if I asked about the next season full or for 2 seasons away same answer full. Our permit hunts is another example give us bull/quality bull the bull hunts for muzzleloader suck big time have a way better chance on public ground general seasons. But then we pay a ton for the special permits. Third example is the multi season deer why let everyone hunt the *censored* out of deer that are low on numbers in most of the state already! $$$$
The old saying $$$$ ain't everything but without its damn hard to hunt this state and produce big bucks every year. Don't get me wrong I don't watch his every move but if I had the property I would be chasing everyone near it too or at least talking to them and let them know I am watching my property. That way there wasn't a temptation of crossing the fence to go after those monsters.
Like I said before about my young hunt on the any deer youth raffle in the early 90's. We had a 40" wide buck that we tried to get a shot at he didn't have me shoot only because it was running hard at 300yards. We hiked all the way around him and tried to get a shot before we pushed him out of his property he never said anything besides I wish we got a shot at him and that was all he talked about all day but he got me on a monster 4x4 26" wide with kickers and devil points all over his bases. I was a kid and totally happy with the buck. Honestly I was spoiled with this buck being it was my 2nd deer and still biggest scoring buck i took.
Post by: walleye1 on November 16, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
Post by: JLS on November 16, 2012, 08:56:11 PM
I told you that he would have a great hunt and shoot a nice buck and not have some dumb ahole walking all over him or driving in at daylight and drive down on top of you.
The guy with the story about the 12 year old is just crazy and don't belief a single bit of it. Maybe they were tresspasing and Stevens came up on them shooting the deer and then I would see him chewing you out. Don't be jealous that he leased up land turned it into prime mule deer hunting by his food plots and water and no pressure then those areas he leased up started having big bucks on them and everyone bitches because they cant hunt it. Maybe if you want to have good hunting lands you should start leasing up land or buying it and you would not need to bitch anymore or maybe get out of the truck and do some hiking if you want to kill a big buck on public ground. just saying
That's a fantastic attitude, and one that completely aligns itself with the Public Trust Doctrine and the North American model of wildlife management.
Us unwashed serfs will just stand back out of your way. :rolleyes:
Post by: grundy53 on November 16, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
lots of people lease land,food plots,ect but they dont get there own hunting season.im glad that people got tags and had great hunts but it is a bad program.i live near buck run and they have mellowed since there beginning. i dont here of any trouble outy there unless you trying to tresspass.still lots of bad blood with the locals
:yeah: Why are they so special? I will let the game department raffle a few tags to hunt deer on my property if I get my own season that is that long...
Post by: Dan-o on November 16, 2012, 09:22:01 PM
Thanks for posting pics...... except it makes me jealous.
Post by: grundy53 on November 16, 2012, 09:30:48 PM
Post by: elkaholic123 on November 17, 2012, 10:20:54 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on November 17, 2012, 10:30:36 PM
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Post by: TeacherMan on November 19, 2012, 09:16:12 AM
Post by: Ripper on November 19, 2012, 09:26:39 AM
Post by: cem3434 on November 19, 2012, 11:14:59 AM
I forgot to mention those are some nice bucks. Congats. I'm glad your grandpa was successful. I in no way begrudge anyone for going on one of these hunts I'm glad that they are able to shoot great bucks. The only thing that rubs me wrong is the sweatheart deal between the Buckrun guys and the WDFW.
:yeah:
Some very respectable buck for sure! :tup: