Post by: Ridgeratt on October 20, 2012, 08:07:53 PM
It seems most of this forum is on edge to shoot a wolf, but what do we know about them?
I will throw out a few questions to get a cross section of answer's.
1: In a pack do only the Alpha Male and Female Breed?
2: What is the general home range of a pack?
3: How many pups are in a litter?
4: When they do have a litter of pups what is the mortality rate of them litter?
5: Do you think that wolves are being re-located in this state?
Post by: fair-chase on October 20, 2012, 08:17:22 PM
1: In a pack do only the Alpha Male and Female Breed?
No, other males will sneak a quickie while the alpha is distracted
2: What is the general home range of a pack?
Guessing 500 + square miles
3: How many pups are in a litter?
A bunch. :chuckle: Guessing 7-14
4: When they do have a litter of pups what is the mortality rate of them litter?
Guessing less than 20%
5: Do you think that wolves are being relocated in this state?
Yes, but not by the government. I think it's more likely that hardcore greenies have brought or are bringing some in. Zero evidence, just a hunch.
Post by: villageidiot on October 21, 2012, 09:21:38 PM
Each pack has a different sized home range. Some only venture maybe 10 miles each way from the den, others will venture up to 50 at times. Packs seldom hunt together but split up in singles and up to 3. When they find a dead carcass they call their buddies. When they do get together, look out they will kill anything. Usually all females get bred by a brother or anybody else in the pack that wants sex and they take off and have their pups away from the main pack. They usually have about 8 pups and it appears from 4 to 6 make it to following the pack. I suspect the wolf lovers of transplanting them but it doesn't matter because they are sprading fast.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 22, 2012, 10:49:08 AM
1: In a pack do only the Alpha Male and Female Breed? Yes. In a pack there is only one breeding pair.
2: What is the general home range of a pack? Big. A couple hundred square miles. Largely dependant on prey availablity.
3: How many pups are in a litter? The Diamond Pack had 6 for two years in a row. Avearge would be in that ballpark.
4: When they do have a litter of pups what is the mortality rate of them litter? Between mortalilty and despersal (then oftentimes mortality) it's fairly high.
5: Do you think that wolves are being re-located in this state? No
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 24, 2012, 08:15:11 PM
So here are some of the answers he gave.
OK so I don't know where to put this but I have some questions.
It seems most of this forum is on edge to shoot a wolf, but what do we know about them?
I will throw out a few questions to get a cross section of answer's.
1: In a pack do only the Alpha Male and Female Breed?
Both he and the tech agreed that they are canines and every female that comes in the season has a chance of getting bred.
2: What is the general home range of a pack?
He said the range is dependant on the food base. But I did get to see the GPS map of the Alpha Male in the wedge and area was huge along with spending time across the border and quite a ways inside as well
3: How many pups are in a litter?
Both of them agreed that the litter of pups would be around 6-8.
4: When they do have a litter of pups what is the mortality rate of them litter?
As for mortality they said it is close to a 50% over the winter.
5: Do you think that wolves are being relocated in this state?
He made the comment that many folks believe they are planting wolves. His and the tech's response was the most logical I have heard. He told me that the wolf seasons across the border have a NBL which I was aware of as well, They also said that the trappers in Canada aren't Trapping the wolves due to the fact there isn't any market for the fur. The Tech and her Hubby are/were trappers in Idaho. Then they made the case that with no one trapping the wolves and they are breeding in Canada and that and area can only support so many animals and then they have to split and relocate. He also pointed out that the wedge is a natural funnel with no outlet. So as they relocate they just filter down. Made a valid point in my book.
He told me that in the last year his learning curve has been great. My guess is close to vertical. Told me if I see anything to contact him and his is interested to see.
This would also lend validity to why there is a increase of wolves along the northern part of the states as well.
Post by: denali on October 24, 2012, 08:31:21 PM
Post by: RG on October 24, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 24, 2012, 09:15:02 PM
Post by: fair-chase on October 24, 2012, 09:32:17 PM
Post by: villageidiot on October 24, 2012, 11:27:10 PM
I do believe that people are starting to stop saying that the wolves only kill the sick and the weak. Although, I still see it stated by a few very uninformed woolfies. They kill the closest, slowest ones which might not be sick at all but the closest one to them when they attack. Once they have killed that one then tomorrow they will kill the next slowest one and on and on till they finally kill the last one which is the slowest and is also the fastest and is not sick or weak at all and in fact none of the herd was sick or weak. If they only killed the sick and weak they would be very hungry because the elements take those animals fairly fast and there are not many of them to start with.
Post by: Bean Counter on October 24, 2012, 11:31:41 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 25, 2012, 05:30:45 AM
How about: When I get me a wolf tag, will I help decimate the pack by shooting the alpha male or the alpha female first? :bfg: :rockin:
Brilliant!!! Except in a canine social pack structure the next strongest animal will replace it. So you have done nothing.
Post by: villageidiot on October 25, 2012, 06:50:32 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on October 25, 2012, 10:57:10 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 25, 2012, 11:02:24 AM
OK: "How do I know when the alpha female is full term pregnant and most vulnerable to getting shot?" :rolleyes:
She is back at the den making sammiches.
Post by: bearpaw on October 25, 2012, 11:15:57 AM
"Alpha" Wolf? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtFgdwTsbU#)
Post by: Bean Counter on October 25, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
How about "Bitches 'n ho's"?
Post by: flatbkman on October 25, 2012, 03:23:33 PM
Now the wolf lovers are quoting and stating what the Bios and game department have been feeding us for years.
Does that mean that we have been lied to, and the wolf lovers are only spreading those lies?