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Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: CP on October 24, 2012, 09:13:39 AM
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Sorry for getting so close to your set while ducks were in the air. I always feel bad about that even though it’s a release area and the dog insisted that’s where the birds were. He was right. :tup:
Thanks for being cool about it, Hope you did well after we got out of there.
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respect you for posting this. I actually had shot land on me once people were so inconsiderate when I was duck hunting out there! I just gave up and went around to the swamp side. I guess we duck hunters just have to accept that the land will never be the same!
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Much respect for this post!
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It is nice to see this type of a post. I give way to and stay away from release areas when duck hunting until the season closes for Ringnecks. I figure I get enough other days and areas to hunt ducks so I give those people all the respect they deserve with limited property area. Nice to see people getting along. This is the true respect of each other, I tip my hat to both of you.
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My family owns a good portion of Ebey Island, I hope your talking about the Fish and Wildlife land and not private property. Not many people know where the line is and not many people know that the area they park near the trestle is private property. We have an agreement with Fish and Wildlife that the land can be used for parking and access if our cows can graze on their land.
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first off, its just stupid to mix duck hunters with pheasant hunters. the areas west side duck hunters can hunt vs where a guy can hunt pheasants on the West side have to be like what? 20 to one? duck hunters have many public land options and any private land you can solicit permission to hunt. if you want to hunt pheasants on the wet side you can only do it from a release site. sure you can hunt pheasants off the release site but its pretty pointless unless there is one very nearby.
they either need to make pheasant release sites off limits to duck hunters during the season or rework pheasant season- which could start sept 1st or feb 1st for all I care, it really doesn't matter since the birds are pen raised. :twocents:
Now since I like to duck hunt as well I try to be respectful of the duck hunters while I am out there after pheasant, but its nerve wracking since you guys are camo'ed up and hidden. so cut us pheasant hunters some slack, a lot of times we don't see you until our dog is licking your face. :tung:
Now my question is: if I am pheasant hunting near your duck blind -and you start calling- I try to stop moving and get low (even though I am wearing 400 square inches of blase orange) until you stop calling or shoot or the birds leave. Does this help at all or would you prefer me just keep working my way away?
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Heres a crazy idea.........why don't you close all western wa pheasant sites since there scary as hell to hunt on except mabey Fort Lewis.....And put the birds in easter Wa. That way we segragate easier......the pheasants have a chance of making it through the winter and you help with the econmy in easter wa.......Helping the farmers and public lands over there will only help with the future of bird populations and awareness. Honestly lets think just for a second.......mabey we would get to shoot some hold overs once in a while.
Sorry for stepping out of line. ........ :twocents:
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Now my question is: if I am pheasant hunting near your duck blind -and you start calling- I try to stop moving and get low (even though I am wearing 400 square inches of blase orange) until you stop calling or shoot or the birds leave. Does this help at all or would you prefer me just keep working my way away?
I don't duck hunt at a pheasant release site, but if I did........I would like you too "duck" down :chuckle:
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THIS!!!!
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THIS!!!!
that made my day.
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THIS!!!!
that made my day.
I was cracking up making it!
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Cheers...... :brew:
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I literally laughed out loud at that pic. :chuckle:
I can see Stilly's point though. When we went pheasant hunting it was pretty easy to spot the pheasant hunters. The duck hunters on the other hand I never spotted until we were practically on top of em. Just seems to me like a dangerous way to hunt when you go out into an area that is crowded with hunters and try to be invisible. :dunno:
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Unfortunatley, they release the phesant in duck areas. It would be nice to have some areas on the west side that would be upland only. Or since they are released birds, why not open the west side season from Sept. 1st - Oct. 12th. A good example of a pheasant only spot is the one on Bow hill. I know it's like hunting in a forest, but it has potential, once a few more trees are removed and slash piles are burned.
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Even though you don't hunt my area it is good to know there is a pheasant hunter that has good ethics and try to respect other hunters sharing the land. In SW Washington where I hunt pheasant overlaps goose season and it is a sure thing that I will have at least 2 pheasant hunters walk through my spread!!!! I even talked to a guy about it and he proceeded to tell me he did not see me and I was even calling!!!! :bash: :bash: I wanted to slap the snot out of him. But anyways appreciate the post. Keep being a respectable hunter :tup:
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Unfortunatley, they release the phesant in duck areas. It would be nice to have some areas on the west side that would be upland only. Or since they are released birds, why not open the west side season from Sept. 1st - Oct. 12th. A good example of a pheasant only spot is the one on Bow hill. I know it's like hunting in a forest, but it has potential, once a few more trees are removed and slash piles are burned.
But that basic idea is too simple and makes too damn much sense! :bash: It requires no studies and computer related BS, such an easy decision that should have been done long ago!
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These hunting areas where pheasant and duck hunters both share can be handled if pheasant hunters respect the duck hunters of course, but duck hunters also need to know WHEN to use the sites to limit the conflicts that may occur. Pheasant release sites are only open between 8 am to 4 pm with typically 90% of pheasant hunters only being there 3 days a week. Typically the best time for ducks is before 8 am and after 4 pm. So until more pheasant release site only are established duck hunters need to use common sense and be happy they have the area the majority of the time and all to themselves after the pheasant season.
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Part of the problem in skagit is the state flooded upland land and was suppose to replace it. Four years ago. Never happen. Every year they have a couple of meeting about what they can't do. This year they came up with the Bow hill area. But it's private land and the neighbors are raising hell.
Bet you won't be hunting there next year.
The swan refuge at Debay would be perfect for upland. They have said so. And the swans don't use it. They are all over skagit farm land. But the dept. is to damm dumb to figure out how to do it.
And off topic when we going to get a swan season.
On topic...I hunt samish and the upland guys were there some. So what. The season will be over before the ducks get good.
We are all in this together. Stand as one.
Pheasant guys are paying 90.00 for a card. They can't afford to drive to the east side.
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Unfortunatley, they release the phesant in duck areas. It would be nice to have some areas on the west side that would be upland only. Or since they are released birds, why not open the west side season from Sept. 1st - Oct. 12th. A good example of a pheasant only spot is the one on Bow hill. I know it's like hunting in a forest, but it has potential, once a few more trees are removed and slash piles are burned.
But that basic idea is too simple and makes too damn much sense! :bash: It requires no studies and computer related BS, such an easy decision that should have been done long ago!
you could just as easily say people duck hunt in pheasant areas. like I stated earlier there are very few release sites and countless areas for duck hunting. with the quality hunting areas there are even more pheasant free places for duck hunters.
the easiest and most basic solution is for duck hunters to stay out of pheasant release sites. go hunt any other public land that will attract ducks. go hunt private property. I can guarantee everyones hunting experience will at least be a little better for it.
if you show up at a pheasant release site during pheasant season -between 8am and 4pm- and are surprised when a pheasant hunter comes stomping through your decoys or his dog runs through your blind... or you get peppered while you are hiding in the brush your either an idjet or just don't know any better.
the other side of the coin from the pheasant hunters perspective is: if I see a duck hunter I try and steer clear of him and give him as much space as possible. in doing so I pass up lots of potential pheasant holding area. sometimes this is the difference between bagging a bird and going home empty handed.
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you could just as easily say people duck hunt in pheasant areas.
No you couldn't :sry: It was a duck area before it was a pheasant area
countless areas for duck hunting. with the quality hunting areas there are even more pheasant free places for duck hunters.
the easiest and most basic solution is for duck hunters to stay out of pheasant release sites. go hunt any other public land that will attract ducks. go hunt private property. I can guarantee everyones hunting experience will at least be a little better for it.
Sorry, but there is not COUNTLESS areas for duck hunting. Public land for duck hunting gets packed. Especially if you don't have a boat :yike:
It is not easy to hunt private property either. It costs a fortune, and I hardly have a penny :tung:
I can understand you being a little upset about a fowler in a pheasant release site, but it is public land. I went pheasant hunting one year on the west side, and I feel for you guys. That license is ridiculous for the amount of birds that you get to shoot. Most of the guys that hunt pheasant release sites for ducks don't have a boat so they don't have much of a choice. Even with a boat it can get hectic :P
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you could just as easily say people duck hunt in pheasant areas.
No you couldn't :sry: It was a duck area before it was a pheasant area
your missing my point. I don't care what came first. there are designated pheasant release sites, these are the only places you can hunt pheasants in western WA. you can duck hunt on any piece of land that is legal to hunt on, that will attract ducks. you can also duck hunt on any private land that will attract ducks if you can get permission. they don't release ducks in specific areas, all you need is water or food or both and you have a good chance at a duck if they are flying.
its few VS many.
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countless areas for duck hunting. with the quality hunting areas there are even more pheasant free places for duck hunters.
Sorry, but there is not COUNTLESS areas for duck hunting. Public land for duck hunting gets packed. Especially if you don't have a boat :yike:
It is not easy to hunt private property either. It costs a fortune, and I hardly have a penny :tung:
you can put an exact number public areas to duck hunt, but when you can quantify all the private areas to hunt ducks on the westside let me know and I will change my statement. as of now there are more than I can count. either way you can split as many hairs as you want; there are still a hell of a lot more places to hunt ducks than there are pheasant release sites over here.
also if you don't have access to a boat and you don't have anywhere to hunt ducks than besides on the pheasant release sites, your either a rank beginner or just lazy. granted were not overwhelmed by public opportunities for duck hunting in this state but the sun doesn't rise and set around a pheasant release site. there are tons of private properties that will let you hunt free of charge, it just takes some effort to find them and maintain them. you might have to get shot down a few times or help a farmer out during harvest time but there are plenty of opportunities out there you just have to get off your ass and find them.
I can understand you being a little upset about a fowler in a pheasant release site, but it is public land.
on the contrary I am not upset about negotiating around duck hunters at the release sites (I have been doing it almost 20 years now) they have every right to be out there. although I firmly believe there should be pheasant only areas, I always try to be respectful of the duck hunters and their space.
what I do get pissed about is duck hunters getting upset at the pheasant hunters for ruining their hunts.
its just common sense - would you set up your decoys in a walmart parking lot (if it was legal) and bitch about all the people getting in the way? don't come to a pheasant release site during shooting hours and bitch about pheasant hunters flaring your ducks. :dunno: don't bitch about stray pellets when your doing your best to be invisible. :dunno: don't bitch about dogs running through your spread. its just common sense. :dunno: come to expect it from the pheasants hunters and get over it.
its basically two different games being played on the same court at the same time and it will always cause conflicts.
in the mean time... duck hunters: if you see a pheasant hunter coming your way, wave at him or blow your call. we really appreciate it when you make yourself noticeable. :tup: so we can stay the hell out of your way and not shoot in your direction if a bird comes up. :tup:
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Good to see that my post generated some lively discussion on the subject. I’ll throw some more fuel on the fire. The biggest conflicts that I have witnessed between the 2 groups were over duck hunters entering the area before 8:00am. Pheasant hunters have long complained that the duck hunters scatter the released birds before 8:00am, driving many of them out of the hunting area.
Note this item from WDFW web site:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/wildlife_areas/snoqualmie/Crescent%20Lake/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/wildlife_areas/snoqualmie/Crescent%20Lake/)
IMPORTANT NOTICE
Snoqualmie Wildlife Area Hunting Hours Reinstated:
Hunting hours from 8am to 4pm have been reinstated for all hunters on the following units: Stillwater, Cherry Valley, Crescent Lake. This will be in effect during the Western Washington Pheasant Season. For the rest of the hunting season normal hunting hours, half hour before sunrise to half hour after sunset, will apply. For more information, contact Sergeant Kim Chandler (425) 775-1311 ext. 122
Note Ebey Island is not on the list.
Cherry Valley is but go there any weekend morning and you will see that the duck hunters are out there well before daylight. There are no signs at Cherry Valley posting the info above.
Crescent Lake has such signs up and for the most part duck hunters respect this rule. I don’t hunt Stillwater so I can’t tell you what goes on there.
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Stilly i understand what you are saying, and i personally do not hunt pheasant release sites while they are open. My point is there are ways to re-leave these issues that should be easy and cost effective but are not done. I have a friend that was shot by a pheasant hunter at the still water unit while sitting in his blind. If you ask me it would be safer for duck hunters to be in thier blind before 8am so that the duck hunters and pheasant hunters weren't mingling.
Those listed pheasant areas are mostly turning to brambles now. They used to plant them to some degree. I was talking to someone on the waterfowl advisory group (wag) and supposedly the hang up is some BS permit for a farmer to plant corn, :bash:
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I have been duck hunting ebey island a lot this year.. I've been peppered twice in the blind by pheasant hunters shooting at passing birds. I have also witnessed people sky busting ducks so they flair away from us... If you see us in the blind calling ducks with a ton of decoys in the pond, don't work the damn water edge or stand there starring at us waiting for us to disappear or something. I appreciate those pheasant hunters that have been showing respect.. That is the sports mans way. To the dude that wears the bright red jacket with an orange hood, if u pepper me one more time, I'm gonna wash ur mouth out with BBB! >:(
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I have been duck hunting ebey island a lot this year.. I've been peppered twice in the blind by pheasant hunters shooting at passing birds. I have also witnessed people sky busting ducks so they flair away from us... If you see us in the blind calling ducks with a ton of decoys in the pond, don't work the damn water edge or stand there starring at us waiting for us to disappear or something. I appreciate those pheasant hunters that have been showing respect.. That is the sports mans way. To the dude that wears the bright red jacket with an orange hood, if u pepper me one more time, I'm gonna wash ur mouth out with BBB! >:(
Wow you duck hunt with BBB ? :yike: Those ducks must be disintegrating when you put a good shot on em! :chuckle:
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If you see us in the blind calling ducks with a ton of decoys in the pond, don't work the damn water edge or stand there starring at us waiting for us to disappear or something. >:(
The water’s edge holds a lot of pheasants. The birds will run in front of the dog until they reach a barrier such as a ditch or a pond, then they will sit tight and try to hide. It’s just nature that the dogs will lead the orange clad army to the water’s edge.
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Lol no I dont hunt with BBB just had to use bigger shot to sound painful :chuckle: and I know how pheasant hunting works. It would just be nice if they could try to avoid the one or two standing bodies of water that have duck hunters on them. Ebey island is full of little sloughs and puddles and timber edges for pheasant hunters to play. Let's work together to have equally successful hunts.. :tup:
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I give you as much room as I can. I stay well away from the big pond in the middle but there is no way to avoid the blind up by the tree line. It’s the only place to cross without wading through your decoys. I know it’s there though and never shoot toward it.
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I apprecite it. I think I actually saw you shoot your limit the other day. We got our limits too.
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Lol no I dont hunt with BBB just had to use bigger shot to sound painful :chuckle: and I know how pheasant hunting works. It would just be nice if they could try to avoid the one or two standing bodies of water that have duck hunters on them. Ebey island is full of little sloughs and puddles and timber edges for pheasant hunters to play. Let's work together to have equally successful hunts.. :tup:
I was just giving you grief! :chuckle:
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It's all good brother. It is good to see people so passionate about the sport.
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Stilly i understand what you are saying, and i personally do not hunt pheasant release sites while they are open. My point is there are ways to re-leave these issues that should be easy and cost effective but are not done. I have a friend that was shot by a pheasant hunter at the still water unit while sitting in his blind. If you ask me it would be safer for duck hunters to be in thier blind before 8am so that the duck hunters and pheasant hunters weren't mingling.
quickest and easiest would be to edit the rule book and make a stipulation that duck hunters can't hunt a release site during pheasant season.
the next would be only allow duck hunting at established blinds. which I would be all for. that way the duck hunters blinds could be marked and easily avoided. honestly I only shoot at pheasants with sky behind them, but to think I shot over someone's head (even if I didn't see them hiding in the brush) makes me sick to my stomach :puke:
at the leque site there are duck hunters EVERYWHERE. they stake out any puddle they can or hide in blackberries along the dike. when they are on the dike they are a good eight feet higher than everybody else in the field ( and they are hidden) this is major safety concern and it really causes a lot of missed shot opportunities which can get frustrating when your out there on a weekend with 60 of your new best friends.
another thought is established blinds on these crowded release sites would also alleviate many duck hunter vs duck hunter conflicts as well.
have a box at the parking lot with a limited amount of numbered slips that get replaced every morning... or have a daily online drawing so you know before you leave the house if you can hunt an area.
first come first serve if you run out blinds you can't hunt at the release site that day. go find some other public land to hunt or make some private connections.
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I'm surprised that on many of these smaller sites near the metro area they have not repeated the sucess of the Ridgfeild Refuge. I know that there are ususally more people that it can handle on a weekend, but it does a great job of providing safety, AND opportunity. I have had good hunts there, and been turned away but i like the system and that location... I personally like being turned away from a quality experience instead of combat duck hunting when i have some one set up in may back pocket 40 yards away...
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I'm surprised that on many of these smaller sites near the metro area they have not repeated the sucess of the Ridgfeild Refuge. I know that there are ususally more people that it can handle on a weekend, but it does a great job of providing safety, AND opportunity. I have had good hunts there, and been turned away but i like the system and that location... I personally like being turned away from a quality experience instead of combat duck hunting when i have some one set up in may back pocket 40 yards away...
excellent point. it would really cut out a lot of BS from all parties.
and if it were a drawing system you wouldn't have that one group of guys showing up at 2 am every saturday and sunday morning so they can dominate that one honey hole. it would give everyone a chance at a good shoot.
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Once again no real reason to reinvent the wheel. I'm sure that the Wa waterfowl would help with the kind of work required for imporoving this kind of project...
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Once again no real reason to reinvent the wheel. I'm sure that the Wa waterfowl would help with the kind of work required for imporoving this kind of project...
Im sure plenty of pheasant hunters would be willing to roll up their sleeves and help this issue in becoming resolved. maybe pheasants forever could get involved?
I could only imagine the stink it would create from all the unwilling duck hunters. fact is the world has changed and the population has increased to the point of ridiculousness, we have fewer opportunities than ever on less land than ever, somethings gotta get reworked.
as a duck hunter AND a pheasant hunter who has been playing this game for most of his life; I am willing to give up more opportunities for better opportunities.
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my point is is it REALLY opportunity if it is so overcrowed that no one really get good hunting in? Isn't it those great days that keep us in the sport, NOT the many days we spend trying to repeat the limit in the ist hour? If you want to hook some one a great experience will do it. :twocents:
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I apprecite it. I think I actually saw you shoot your limit the other day. We got our limits too.
You must have been one of the guys that I talked to in the blind. My dog was pissed with that 10 minute hunt; he wanted to join you guys and fetch a few ducks.
I’m glad to hear you did well after I left.
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my point is is it REALLY opportunity if it is so overcrowed that no one really get good hunting in? Isn't it those great days that keep us in the sport, NOT the many days we spend trying to repeat the limit in the ist hour? If you want to hook some one a great experience will do it. :twocents:
I couldn't agree more.
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my point is is it REALLY opportunity if it is so overcrowed that no one really get good hunting in? Isn't it those great days that keep us in the sport, NOT the many days we spend trying to repeat the limit in the ist hour? If you want to hook some one a great experience will do it. :twocents:
I couldn't agree more.
Absolutely :yeah:. On my trip with Stilly I only got one pheasant, and a nasty tasting duck that some other hunter shot...but I am hooked on bird hunting now. Because it was a great experience. I got to spend the day looking for critters to shoot, with good company/conversation, and as a bonus I even managed to bag my first bird. :tup:
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your missing my point. I don't care what came first. there are designated pheasant release sites, these are the only places you can hunt pheasants in western WA. you can duck hunt on any piece of land that is legal to hunt on, that will attract ducks. you can also duck hunt on any private land that will attract ducks if you can get permission. they don't release ducks in specific areas, all you need is water or food or both and you have a good chance at a duck if they are flying.
its few VS many.
Have you ever duck hunted? Getting permission to hunt land is NOT easy, and you almost ALWAYS have to pay a ridiculoous amount :P It takes a lot more than just water, and food to have ducks. Sure you may shoot a pair of ducks on a random beaver pond, but that is it, and you would most likely be jump shooting (this is not done over a decoy spread).
you can put an exact number public areas to duck hunt, but when you can quantify all the private areas to hunt ducks on the westside let me know and I will change my statement. as of now there are more than I can count. either way you can split as many hairs as you want; there are still a hell of a lot more places to hunt ducks than there are pheasant release sites over here.
also if you don't have access to a boat and you don't have anywhere to hunt ducks than besides on the pheasant release sites, your either a rank beginner or just lazy. granted were not overwhelmed by public opportunities for duck hunting in this state but the sun doesn't rise and set around a pheasant release site. there are tons of private properties that will let you hunt free of charge, it just takes some effort to find them and maintain them. you might have to get shot down a few times or help a farmer out during harvest time but there are plenty of opportunities out there you just have to get off your ass and find them.
You seem to forget that there are a lot more duck hunters than there are pheasant hunters. Of course there is more land to hunt ducks, but that doesn't mean squat. They are still jammed packed.
Like I said above. Private land is not easy to come by, and it costs way to much.
You probably do rank beginner if you do not have a boat, or you just don't have 200 dollars sitting around to buy a cheap one. Personally, I have 3 that I duck hunt out of. If I did not have those, I only know of one other place where I could duck hunt that does not hold pheasants, but it is closed right now anyway :yike: :bash:
And sorry for coming back so late :sry:
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your missing my point. I don't care what came first. there are designated pheasant release sites, these are the only places you can hunt pheasants in western WA. you can duck hunt on any piece of land that is legal to hunt on, that will attract ducks. you can also duck hunt on any private land that will attract ducks if you can get permission. they don't release ducks in specific areas, all you need is water or food or both and you have a good chance at a duck if they are flying.
its few VS many.
Have you ever duck hunted? Getting permission to hunt land is NOT easy, and you almost ALWAYS have to pay a ridiculoous amount :P It takes a lot more than just water, and food to have ducks. Sure you may shoot a pair of ducks on a random beaver pond, but that is it, and you would most likely be jump shooting (this is not done over a decoy spread).
you can put an exact number public areas to duck hunt, but when you can quantify all the private areas to hunt ducks on the westside let me know and I will change my statement. as of now there are more than I can count. either way you can split as many hairs as you want; there are still a hell of a lot more places to hunt ducks than there are pheasant release sites over here.
also if you don't have access to a boat and you don't have anywhere to hunt ducks than besides on the pheasant release sites, your either a rank beginner or just lazy. granted were not overwhelmed by public opportunities for duck hunting in this state but the sun doesn't rise and set around a pheasant release site. there are tons of private properties that will let you hunt free of charge, it just takes some effort to find them and maintain them. you might have to get shot down a few times or help a farmer out during harvest time but there are plenty of opportunities out there you just have to get off your ass and find them.
You seem to forget that there are a lot more duck hunters than there are pheasant hunters. Of course there is more land to hunt ducks, but that doesn't mean squat. They are still jammed packed.
Like I said above. Private land is not easy to come by, and it costs way to much.
You probably do rank beginner if you do not have a boat, or you just don't have 200 dollars sitting around to buy a cheap one. Personally, I have 3 that I duck hunt out of. If I did not have those, I only know of one other place where I could duck hunt that does not hold pheasants, but it is closed right now anyway :yike: :bash:
And sorry for coming back so late :sry:
Boy you sure told me, I guess after 20 years of it I don't know jack about duck hunting. thanks for showing me how much you know.
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So obviously you have money laying around to spend on private land. Not everyone does. I am also sure that every farmer in the state has been asked several times if there land could be hunted, and they do not feel like answering the door another time.
If you already know all of this, then why are you saying, just go hunt private land.
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I'm surprised that on many of these smaller sites near the metro area they have not repeated the sucess of the Ridgfeild Refuge. I know that there are ususally more people that it can handle on a weekend, but it does a great job of providing safety, AND opportunity. I have had good hunts there, and been turned away but i like the system and that location... I personally like being turned away from a quality experience instead of combat duck hunting when i have some one set up in may back pocket 40 yards away...
Quality? Success? Two words that should never be used to describe ridgefield. If you want to se a true model of success try Sauvie Island. Way better system. Yes, I hunt both, a lot.
Pheasant sites are always tough, especially with the higher cost of the tag. Think they are 90$ now? Makes most people think they are owed those birds. Wish they would shut them down before duck season starts.
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Pheasant sites are always tough, especially with the higher cost of the tag. Think they are 90$ now? Makes most people think they are owed those birds. Wish they would shut them down before duck season starts.
People need to realize that raising pheasants aren't cheap. Cost is about 15-20$ a bird maybe more :dunno: A person really only needs to shoot 5 pheasants to cover the cost of the permit.
I can't believe how many duck hunters that continue to hunt pheasant release sites?? They are clearly posted as such, makes me wonder if you guys aren't just looking for conflicts by continuing to duck hunt during pheasant season. My advice is put away the duck gear and camo and take up upland. Duck hunting really doesn't start getting good until December anyways when the northern migration starts, 2 whole months.
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I always let the pheasent hunters have thier time in the feild conflicts always ruin it for both sides there are plenty of waterfowl areas to use till trhe pheasents are done.
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So obviously you have money laying around to spend on private land. Not everyone does. I am also sure that every farmer in the state has been asked several times if there land could be hunted, and they do not feel like answering the door another time.
If you already know all of this, then why are you saying, just go hunt private land.
please don't devalue my knowledge and life experiences by pitting them against your misconceptions.
I have never paid for sex and I will never pay to use someone's private land.
all but one of the private properties I hunt came from knocking on the doors and being polite and one belongs to a friend. so far I have four local private properties to hunt when ever I feel like it. I could easily have more but why bother, these keep me plenty busy.
when I lived in chehalis I had over a dozen private hunting areas. they all came from driving around and burning gas . knocking on doors and being friendly. its redneck networking, pretty soon if enough farmers trust you, word gets out and they will vouch for you- it opens a lot of doors that would otherwise stay shut. it doesn't happen over night and its a hell of a lot of effort, obviously much more than you are willing to put forth, but you got to start somewhere.
Do you think H20 fowler gets all his limits of ducks at the pheasant release sites? do you think he pays for every piece of land he hunts? there are more hunting opportunities out there than you realize.
If you already know all of this, then why are you saying, just go hunt private land.
sigh, do you even know what your talking about at this point?
go take three days to figure out your rebuttal and get back to us. I applaud your technique of repeating your argument with different emotives. maybe if Romney had you as one of his speech writers he would be doing a little better at this point.
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Pheasant sites are always tough, especially with the higher cost of the tag. Think they are 90$ now? Makes most people think they are owed those birds. Wish they would shut them down before duck season starts.
People need to realize that raising pheasants aren't cheap. Cost is about 15-20$ a bird maybe more :dunno: A person really only needs to shoot 5 pheasants to cover the cost of the permit.
I can't believe how many duck hunters that continue to hunt pheasant release sites?? They are clearly posted as such, makes me wonder if you guys aren't just looking for conflicts by continuing to duck hunt during pheasant season. My advice is put away the duck gear and camo and take up upland. Duck hunting really doesn't start getting good until December anyways when the northern migration starts, 2 whole months.
Really?
Cost for raising birds I'm well aware of. Been doing it for years, I'm at 6.45 a bird as an adult, less on quail. Though if I add a 40% mark up, then add extra to sell to the state I come up to your quote above.
I never look for conflict, especially with guns. It's just that the release sites in my area are a joke. It's also a proven fact that pheasants don't migrate. So there is no need to tie up land that is good for migratory fowl when they are in town. I hunt ducks a lot, more then most for sure, I can promise you it is good all season. It doesn't pick up much in Dec unless you only hunt divers.
Which leads right back to where I was. Why not let the pheasant hunters in earlier and shut it down earlier?
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Which leads right back to where I was. Why not let the pheasant hunters in earlier and shut it down earlier?
you want to shorten my already too short western washington pheasant season? :'(
I think starting it early like at the beginning of Sept would be problematic for late nesting birds or fledgling birds. starting after duck season ended :dunno: would probably mess with the migration
starting august or sept would make for some pretty crappy dog work and the vets would be over run with heat stroke patients.
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It just seems to me that there are no farmers that want hunters on their land that don't already have them. Why would a farmer let me hunt on his property for free, when he can get paid by another to hunt his property. I do not like asking people if I could hunt their land because they are probably tired of other hunters asking. It seems to me that it would leave bad impressions on farmers.
Kind of gone over in this thread http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,106215.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,106215.0.html)
And why would you bring up
Do you think H20 fowler gets all his limits of ducks at the pheasant release sites? do you think he pays for every piece of land he hunts?
I have said nothing anywhere near this. I would never hunt ducks at a pheasant release site. There are way too many hunters, and there are better public land opportunities to hunt ducks than pheasant release sites.
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It just seems to me that there are no farmers that want hunters on their land that don't already have them. Why would a farmer let me hunt on his property for free, when he can get paid by another to hunt his property. I do not like asking people if I could hunt their land because they are probably tired of other hunters asking. It seems to me that it would leave bad impressions on farmers.
Kind of gone over in this thread http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,106215.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,106215.0.html)
And why would you bring up
Do you think H20 fowler gets all his limits of ducks at the pheasant release sites? do you think he pays for every piece of land he hunts?
I have said nothing anywhere near this. I would never hunt ducks at a pheasant release site. There are way too many hunters, and there are better public land opportunities to hunt ducks than pheasant release sites.
Every year I come across at least one farmer that has never been asked. If you never ask you never know.
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It just seems to me that there are no farmers that want hunters on their land that don't already have them.
with that attitude your screwed. 4phuxache you haven't talked to EVERY farmer in Western Wa.
Why would a farmer let me hunt on his property for free, when he can get paid by another to hunt his property.
thats when you get back in your car and drive to another farm. rinse and repeat.
I do not like asking people if I could hunt their land because they are probably tired of other hunters asking. It seems to me that it would leave bad impressions on farmers.
then how in the hell are you so convinced EVERY farmer won't let you hunt free of charge on his property? sounds like you gave up before you even started.
the worst thing a farmer could say is "no" and if they do chances are they already have a bad impression of hunters.
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I would never hunt ducks at a pheasant release site. There are way too many hunters, and there are better public land opportunities to hunt ducks than pheasant release sites.
:yeah: You nailed it! And the ones that do duck on them just don't get out much and are clueless to the bountiful opportunities elsewhere. So all they end up doing is bitching about how the pheasant hunters ruined their hunt or that they got shot at when in actuality they just a few few pellets rained on them :rolleyes:.
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Which leads right back to where I was. Why not let the pheasant hunters in earlier and shut it down earlier?
you want to shorten my already too short western washington pheasant season? :'(
I think starting it early like at the beginning of Sept would be problematic for late nesting birds or fledgling birds. starting after duck season ended :dunno: would probably mess with the migration
starting august or sept would make for some pretty crappy dog work and the vets would be over run with heat stroke patients.
Why don't you head east and hunt pheasants all season? Most of the bird hunters I know have to travel why not the elitist west side release hunters.
Pen raised birds are ready to fly by august, we can hatch them dang near when ever we want.
Heat stroke? Are there that many bad dog owners? I used run my GSP's pretty hard in august and sept. In prep for long days chasing chukar and quail.
Better yet we can get the Feds to shift duck season. Like in to march, then you guys can have Oct and Nov.
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I always let the pheasent hunters have thier time in the feild conflicts always ruin it for both sides there are plenty of waterfowl areas to use till trhe pheasents are done.
:yeah: And most people do have that respect which in return will help all hunter types in the end.
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It is my island :IBCOOL:
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Which leads right back to where I was. Why not let the pheasant hunters in earlier and shut it down earlier?
you want to shorten my already too short western washington pheasant season? :'(
I think starting it early like at the beginning of Sept would be problematic for late nesting birds or fledgling birds. starting after duck season ended :dunno: would probably mess with the migration
starting august or sept would make for some pretty crappy dog work and the vets would be over run with heat stroke patients.
Why don't you head east and hunt pheasants all season? Most of the bird hunters I know have to travel why not the elitist west side release hunters.
Pen raised birds are ready to fly by august, we can hatch them dang near when ever we want.
Heat stroke? Are there that many bad dog owners? I used run my GSP's pretty hard in august and sept. In prep for long days chasing chukar and quail.
Better yet we can get the Feds to shift duck season. Like in to march, then you guys can have Oct and Nov.
jeez tuck in your tool. maybe I didn't drop enough smiley faces down for ya.
I was talking about wild song birds and such.
its pretty damn easy for a dog to have heat complications in temps over 60 degrees.
personally I can't head east without a great deal of cooperation from my family members, because I am the care taker for my 87 year old granmother. having a release site fifteen minutes from my home is a blessing for me. If my release site were shut down I might be able to make it east once or twice a season if the weather cooperated.
I am sure the other "elitist west side pheasant hunters" have their own reasons... besides the fact that its a long ass drive in the best of weather and the east sides pheasant population is dwindling to the point of having its own release sites.
your idea of shifting duck season will never happen, the best solution would be to find properties that ducks and the parasites that come with them don't use.
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Which leads right back to where I was. Why not let the pheasant hunters in earlier and shut it down earlier?
you want to shorten my already too short western washington pheasant season? :'(
I think starting it early like at the beginning of Sept would be problematic for late nesting birds or fledgling birds. starting after duck season ended :dunno: would probably mess with the migration
starting august or sept would make for some pretty crappy dog work and the vets would be over run with heat stroke patients.
Why don't you head east and hunt pheasants all season? Most of the bird hunters I know have to travel why not the elitist west side release hunters.
Pen raised birds are ready to fly by august, we can hatch them dang near when ever we want.
Heat stroke? Are there that many bad dog owners? I used run my GSP's pretty hard in august and sept. In prep for long days chasing chukar and quail.
Better yet we can get the Feds to shift duck season. Like in to march, then you guys can have Oct and Nov.
jeez tuck in your tool. maybe I didn't drop enough smiley faces down for ya.
your idea of shifting duck season will never happen, the best solution would be to find properties that ducks and the parasites that come with them don't use.
Take it down a notch, I just took the other side of the argument. The exact opposite of the first two pages in fact.
I haven't hunted a release site in almost 3 yrs. But the one down here is flooded fields hardly a good pheasant hunt lol. Just don't understand why pheasant guys get priority, especially down here as DU and WWA does all the work.....
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Which leads right back to where I was. Why not let the pheasant hunters in earlier and shut it down earlier?
you want to shorten my already too short western washington pheasant season? :'(
I think starting it early like at the beginning of Sept would be problematic for late nesting birds or fledgling birds. starting after duck season ended :dunno: would probably mess with the migration
starting august or sept would make for some pretty crappy dog work and the vets would be over run with heat stroke patients.
Why don't you head east and hunt pheasants all season? Most of the bird hunters I know have to travel why not the elitist west side release hunters.
Pen raised birds are ready to fly by august, we can hatch them dang near when ever we want.
Heat stroke? Are there that many bad dog owners? I used run my GSP's pretty hard in august and sept. In prep for long days chasing chukar and quail.
Better yet we can get the Feds to shift duck season. Like in to march, then you guys can have Oct and Nov.
jeez tuck in your tool. maybe I didn't drop enough smiley faces down for ya.
your idea of shifting duck season will never happen, the best solution would be to find properties that ducks and the parasites that come with them don't use.
Take it down a notch, I just took the other side of the argument. The exact opposite of the first two pages in fact.
I haven't hunted a release site in almost 3 yrs. But the one down here is flooded fields hardly a good pheasant hunt lol. Just don't understand why pheasant guys get priority, especially down here as DU and WWA does all the work.....
I believe it was your "elitist" comment that brought me up a notch. you will find that most pheasant hunters are just like duck hunters. good hard working people that are trying their best to do the most with what little free time and money they have. to label one or the other "elitist" is not fair. you may call me an "elitist" ...because I am, so suck it. :)
do the pheasant hunters get priority over the duck hunters? if they do its only at the release site which brings us right back to the beginning of this argument.
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It just seems to me that there are no farmers that want hunters on their land that don't already have them.
with that attitude your screwed. 4phuxache you haven't talked to EVERY farmer in Western Wa.
Why would a farmer let me hunt on his property for free, when he can get paid by another to hunt his property.
thats when you get back in your car and drive to another farm. rinse and repeat.
I do not like asking people if I could hunt their land because they are probably tired of other hunters asking. It seems to me that it would leave bad impressions on farmers.
then how in the hell are you so convinced EVERY farmer won't let you hunt free of charge on his property? sounds like you gave up before you even started.
the worst thing a farmer could say is "no" and if they do chances are they already have a bad impression of hunters.
Maybe I should start asking around. I just think that when a farmer gets asked however many times a year; it leaves a bad impression on hunters :twocents:
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It just seems to me that there are no farmers that want hunters on their land that don't already have them.
with that attitude your screwed. 4phuxache you haven't talked to EVERY farmer in Western Wa.
Why would a farmer let me hunt on his property for free, when he can get paid by another to hunt his property.
thats when you get back in your car and drive to another farm. rinse and repeat.
I do not like asking people if I could hunt their land because they are probably tired of other hunters asking. It seems to me that it would leave bad impressions on farmers.
then how in the hell are you so convinced EVERY farmer won't let you hunt free of charge on his property? sounds like you gave up before you even started.
the worst thing a farmer could say is "no" and if they do chances are they already have a bad impression of hunters.
Maybe I should start asking around. I just think that when a farmer gets asked however many times a year; it leaves a bad impression on hunters :twocents:
maybe sometimes it does, probably not often. most farmers have different take on hunters from the rest of society. at the very least they will be happy you were the guy that took the trouble to knock on the door and ask for permission... and not the guy who just went ahead and trespassed.
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Here is a thought.......dont just ask permission, ask what you can do in return. My family owns a good portion of that island, we lease some land for duck season and the rest is for cattle. If you are willing to help build fences, bring in hay in the summer, farm work, round-up help, etc will ensure good relations.
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This should change up the dynamics :
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:yike: Well the pheasant hunters got their wish.
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That just at Ebey Island, or all pheasant release sites?
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:yike: Well the pheasant hunters got their wish.
actually Kola this isn't good for either party. without closing it to duck hunting altogether its just going to create more conflicts since everyone will be using the place at the same time. granted duck hunting there now on a weekend would be the acme of foolishness...but
just because it doesn't make sense to duck hunt in a place, doesn't mean there won't be people duck hunting there.
another thing to consider is I doubt this was put up to resolve pheasant hunter and duck hunter conflicts. it was probably instituted because of neighbors complaining about the noise, which means yet another pheasant release site/duck hunting area may be taken away down the road.
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I guess. If someone still duck hunts there :yike:
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That just at Ebey Island, or all pheasant release sites?
As I posted earlier; includes Stillwater, Cherry Valley, Crescent Lake, and now Ebey Island
This will be in effect during the Western Washington Pheasant Season. For the rest of the hunting season normal hunting hours, half hour before sunrise to half hour after sunset, will apply. For more information, contact Sergeant Kim Chandler (425) 775-1311 ext. 122
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Hopefully this will help keep duck hunters from using pheasant release sites since the best time for ducks is during the early and late closure hours anyways. If they do insist on duck hunting release sites they should atleast be required to wear hunter orange or better yet be required to purchase the $90 pheasant permit :tup: :chuckle: :twocents:
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Hopefully this will help keep duck hunters from using pheasant release sites since the best time for ducks is during the early and late closure hours anyways. If they do insist on duck hunting release sites they should atleast be required to wear hunter orange or better yet be required to purchase the $90 pheasant permit :tup: :chuckle: :twocents:
said the elitist westside pheasant hunter :chuckle:
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I thought you had to own a $3000 Beretta to be an Elitest :dunno: I'm just a cz shootin wanna bee Elitest 8)
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I thought you had to own a $3000 Beretta to be an Elitest :dunno: I'm just a cz shootin wanna bee Elitest 8)
I wish I had a $3000 dollar Beretta. luckily Elitist is a state of mind.
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I’d support everyone wearing hunter orange. Not that I’m an elitist, I like to shoot ducks too but the hunter density is just too high for safety when some are camo-ed up and hiding in the grass.
You guys that are out there, full camo, face paint, hiding in the grass, no blind, no decoys, no call, not even near open water, you’re just nuts. :yike: :yike: :yike: You’re an accident waiting to happen. :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: I can't think of a better way to get shot. :stup:
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:yeah: I' m more of an elitist duckhunter than a elite st uplander and wouldn't ever think of waterfowling on a release site, really would be kinda nuts . Common sense would be to wear orange also, but if they had that they wouldn't be there I guess :chuckle:
I’d support everyone wearing hunter orange. Not that I’m an elitist, I like to shoot ducks too but the hunter density is just too high for safety when some are camo-ed up and hiding in the grass.
You guys that are out there, full camo, face paint, hiding in the grass, no blind, no decoys, no call, not even near open water, you’re just nuts. :yike: :yike: :yike: You’re an accident waiting to happen. :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: I can't think of a better way to get shot. :stup:
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You guys that are out there, full camo, face paint, hiding in the grass, no blind, no decoys, no call, not even near open water, you’re just nuts. :yike: :yike: :yike: You’re an accident waiting to happen. :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: I can't think of a better way to get shot. :stup:
You guys that shoot pheasants before there's a good bit of blue sky under their feet would be making that accident happen, would you not? I've never shot the ground hunting pheasants...
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You guys that are out there, full camo, face paint, hiding in the grass, no blind, no decoys, no call, not even near open water, you’re just nuts. :yike: :yike: :yike: You’re an accident waiting to happen. :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: I can't think of a better way to get shot. :stup:
You guys that shoot pheasants before there's a good bit of blue sky under their feet would be making that accident happen, would you not? I've never shot the ground hunting pheasants...
maybe the accident he is referring to is the crapping of his pants when he realizes that even though the bird had blue sky behind it, they were still shooting right over a hidden duck hunters head.
personally I don't want to shoot any where near another person, and it happens pretty easy when the other person is hidden and covered in camo and they don't let you know they are there.
many of these sites on the wet side have dikes surrounding them which can put many an invisible duck hunter a lot closer to that blue sky when the pheasant hunter is on the ground.
I am not saying there is any excuse or reason for a shooting accident; but there are plenty of opportunities out there for close calls and near misses.
I will also add that I believe 70% of the claims about getting shot at a release site are from pellets losing energy and coming back down from across the field. what goes up must come back down.
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So, is anyone going to complain when I show up at 8:00AM in hunter orange, walk to the water and jump shoot ducks...? I certainly hope not...see you out there...
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I was just thinking........I would LOVE to be shot with a shotgun just once. Turn my back, wear a thick coat and get shot from 300 yards. I could always say...."Ya, I've been shot with a shotgun before! 8) " :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :sry:
Anyone want to say that they have shot someone before :dunno: Let me know :chuckle: :chuckle: :sry:
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So, is anyone going to complain when I show up at 8:00AM in hunter orange, walk to the water and jump shoot ducks...? I certainly hope not...see you out there...
I would buy you a cold one for such a fine and uncommon display of common sense.
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So, is anyone going to complain when I show up at 8:00AM in hunter orange, walk to the water and jump shoot ducks...? I certainly hope not...see you out there...
I would buy you a cold one for such a fine and uncommon display of common sense.
Look for the old fart in the avatar...and make it a really cold one, Thanks
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Such a damn waste... Been killing ducks on ebey long before the orange army showed up. Lots of memories and lots of great hunting. I have invested time and money on some blinds out there too... All to be ruined by wanna be super hunters killing farm raised birds! I don't see the sport or challenge in hunting farm pets.. Will be making several angry phone calls to the state tomorrow.
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Such a damn waste... Been killing ducks on ebey long before the orange army showed up. Lots of memories and lots of great hunting. I have invested time and money on some blinds out there too... All to be ruined by wanna be super hunters killing farm raised birds! I don't see the sport or challenge in hunting farm pets.. Will be making several angry phone calls to the state tomorrow.
Don't knock till you try it! I used to feel the same way about hunting farm raised birds until I tried it and found out how much my dogs loved and needed the work. For most of us it's all about the dog and it's the only feasible opportunity to hunt pheasants in Washington. As for hunting ducks on public land welll :rolleyes: don't think the orange army makes much difference considering the short time they are there during (Oct. Nov.).... Dec. and Jan. is usually the best for ducks and you got the whole Island to yourselves if you choose to hunt public land which there is no way I would since they're crawling with wanna bee super duck hunters ALL week and ALL day long, so get off your ivory tower,stop your wining and find some private land for some quality waterfowling :chuckle: