Post by: Rbob on October 25, 2012, 09:22:43 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 25, 2012, 09:27:31 AM
I've heard people say they think they saw or killed one, because its not uncommon for a blacktail to split off the main beam like a whitetail, especially for a 3 point. I saw a buck a kid killed near port orchard that was a 4 point that split off the main beam just like a whitetail but it was not a whitetail, or a hybrid, just cool genetics. Blacktails also wave the white flag like a whitetail so people often times get crazy ideas.
Would love to see pics of him.
Post by: JPhelps on October 25, 2012, 09:31:47 AM
Most likely just a different horn configuration than normal
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2012, 09:34:04 AM
Post by: Kola16 on October 25, 2012, 09:35:03 AM
It is actually more common than you might think in blacktails. There are a few whitetails in SW WA but the interbreeding is extremely rare.
:yeah:
Post by: Huntbear on October 25, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
It is actually more common than you might think in blacktails. There are a few whitetails in SW WA but the interbreeding is extremely rare.
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: sirmissalot on October 25, 2012, 09:40:15 AM
It is actually more common than you might think in blacktails. There are a few whitetails in SW WA but the interbreeding is extremely rare.
That was my thought at first too but the columbia whitetails in the sw are a long ways from the puget sound area.
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2012, 09:45:28 AM
Post by: Rbob on October 25, 2012, 09:47:25 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 25, 2012, 09:51:07 AM
Post by: RB on October 25, 2012, 09:51:53 AM
Post by: headshot5 on October 25, 2012, 09:52:43 AM
But strange ones happen example see this thread that is up today. Look at both sides of his antlers. One splits more typical blacktails and one more blacktail/whitetail. Not a great example but it shows you the idea.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,108324.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,108324.0.html)
Or for a better example look at Bow4elk's (member here) 3X4 with an interesting extra off the main beam like a whitetail. http://www.outdoorblog.net/pnwbowhunting/2010/07/14/my-2009-columbian-blacktail-mount/ (http://www.outdoorblog.net/pnwbowhunting/2010/07/14/my-2009-columbian-blacktail-mount/)
Post by: sirmissalot on October 25, 2012, 10:00:09 AM
There have been Columbia Blacktails as far North as Grays Harbor, not that far from Puget Sound.
If you say so.
That's a stud of a blacktail, that's for sure.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 25, 2012, 10:07:16 AM
There have been Columbia Blacktails as far North as Grays Harbor, not that far from Puget Sound.
If you say so.
That's a stud of a blacktail, that's for sure.
I think you mean Columbian Whitetails.
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 25, 2012, 10:32:45 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on October 25, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
Post by: Ripper on October 25, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
Yep, I say so. I grew up in Shelton, hunted the whole coast most of my life and have personally seen them as far North as the Humptulips area, although it has been 20 years or more.There have been Columbia Blacktails as far North as Grays Harbor, not that far from Puget Sound.
If you say so.
That's a stud of a blacktail, that's for sure.
Post by: hillbillyhunting on October 25, 2012, 11:30:38 AM
Post by: DUCKDUDE on October 25, 2012, 11:35:11 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
Post by: hillbillyhunting on October 25, 2012, 11:56:19 AM
Blacktail...
:yeah: a really nice one too! :tup:
Post by: Chappyk16 on October 25, 2012, 12:05:27 PM
Post by: Rbob on October 25, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 25, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
Still looks like 100% blacktail to me. And a giant. Does this happen to be around port orchard? Looks a lot like the buck I saw a kid kill a couple years ago from there.
Post by: Rbob on October 25, 2012, 01:12:37 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 25, 2012, 01:35:50 PM
Post by: DUCKDUDE on October 25, 2012, 01:49:22 PM
Blacktail...
:yeah: a really nice one too! :tup:
Nope shot on the east side
Post by: hillbillyhunting on October 25, 2012, 01:54:44 PM
Blacktail...
:yeah: a really nice one too! :tup:
Nope shot on the east side
I think he was talking about the trail cam pics of the buck in question... at least I was
Post by: DUCKDUDE on October 25, 2012, 02:06:10 PM
Post by: BiggLuke on October 25, 2012, 02:22:43 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 25, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
Post by: Jdc on October 25, 2012, 05:53:11 PM
Post by: fish vacuum on October 25, 2012, 07:19:39 PM
A friend of mine is a biologist for fish and game. He explained to me that mule deer are closely related to black tail and are not a hybrid. Black tail and white tail hybrids are called bench legs, and are found around the cascade crest on occasion where black tail and white tail ranges overlap.
Huh?
Post by: bobcat on October 25, 2012, 08:04:03 PM
A friend of mine is a biologist for fish and game. He explained to me that mule deer are closely related to black tail and are not a hybrid. Black tail and white tail hybrids are called bench legs, and are found around the cascade crest on occasion where black tail and white tail ranges overlap. I imagine that they are also found wherever Columbia whitetail can mix with blacktails. One reason he says that hybrids are uncommon is that the flight response for the two deer are different and when they interbreed the offspring generally has a hard time avoiding predators due to them having a screwed up flight response. Some deer "stot" and some run, but they can't try to do both at once and expect to survive.
No, you got that mixed up. The deer people call benchlegs are a cross between mule deer and blacktail deer. Not whitetail.
Post by: Kola16 on October 25, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
A friend of mine is a biologist for fish andgame. He explained to me that mule deer are closely related to black tail and are not a hybrid. Black tail and white tail hybrids are called bench legs, and are found around the cascade crest on occasion where black tail and white tail ranges overlap. I imagine that they are also found wherever Columbia whitetail can mix with blacktails. One reason he says that hybrids are uncommon is that the flight response for the two deer are different and when they interbreed the offspring generally has a hard time avoiding predators due to them having a screwed up flight response. Some deer "stot" and some run, but they can't try to do both at once and expect to survive.
No, you got that mixed up. The deer people call benchlegs are a cross between mule deer and blacktail deer. Not whitetail.
:yeah: Tongue twisted. Happens to me more than anyone; don't worry :chuckle:
Post by: madmack76 on October 25, 2012, 08:29:14 PM
Post by: Mark B on October 25, 2012, 08:46:51 PM
Post by: hillbillyhunting on October 25, 2012, 10:14:04 PM
A friend of mine is a biologist for fish and game. He explained to me that mule deer are closely related to black tail and are not a hybrid. Black tail and white tail hybrids are called bench legs, and are found around the cascade crest on occasion where black tail and white tail ranges overlap. I imagine that they are also found wherever Columbia whitetail can mix with blacktails. One reason he says that hybrids are uncommon is that the flight response for the two deer are different and when they interbreed the offspring generally has a hard time avoiding predators due to them having a screwed up flight response. Some deer "stot" and some run, but they can't try to do both at once and expect to survive.
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Jdc are you messin with us? Or did you translate what your biologist friend said incorrectly?
Post by: BIGMIKE on October 26, 2012, 06:52:41 AM
Post by: BIGMIKE on October 26, 2012, 06:53:02 AM