Post by: mountainman on October 27, 2012, 12:24:47 PM
"I would go at a bear with a .223 Remington and a 60gr Nosler Partition if it were legal. Of course the proper side arm would be on hand for back up. It's just a black bear. "
Opinions??
Post by: Skillet on October 27, 2012, 12:27:45 PM
It's just a black bear.
Not a bear hunter, so I can't comment on the choice of weapon - but I don't care much for this attitude. :twocents:
Post by: D-Rock425 on October 27, 2012, 12:33:30 PM
Post by: FC on October 27, 2012, 12:38:48 PM
Post by: Special T on October 27, 2012, 01:45:55 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 27, 2012, 02:12:45 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,108474.30.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,108474.30.html)
Post by: iusmc2002 on October 27, 2012, 02:23:35 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 27, 2012, 02:32:19 PM
Apparently some don't understand context. Or they don't WANT to understand it and would rather start an interwebz fight. Either way, if you look at the rest of those posts, the statement equates the animal to the round. "It's just a black bear (not a grizzly, rhino or wildebeest) Folks have been killing things as small as "just a black bear" with rounds much less substantial than a .223 with a 60gr Partition for a long time (spears, bow and arrow, anyone?) But understanding the context just wouldn't make it any fun, now would it??
Bingo! I've watched the Alaskan Natives do some crazy stuff with small cartridges.
Post by: xXLojackXx on October 27, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 27, 2012, 07:03:15 PM
But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
Post by: Jim the Plumber on October 27, 2012, 07:08:52 PM
Then claim to have the wherewithal to do a spine/ brain shot on a bear.
Post by: Jingles on October 27, 2012, 07:12:59 PM
Post by: Jim the Plumber on October 27, 2012, 07:17:57 PM
I'd use a Barnes rather than a Partition, but I'm sure it would kill a bear just fine. Definitely not the caliber I would choose for bear, but if it's what I had when an opportunity at a bear came up, I'd use it (not in this state though, it's not legal).
But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
Apples and oranges Bobcat. The arrow kills by cutting, and more often than not leaves an ample blood trail. Bear are notorious for not leaving much of a blood trail when shot with a small cartridge such as the 223 Rem. For bear, in my opinion, The 223 Rem also is a bit in short supply of penetration and energy .
To the OP, in a hunting situation, absolutely not. In a survival scenario, absolutely yes.
Post by: bobcat on October 27, 2012, 07:21:48 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on October 27, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
:twocents:
Post by: billythekidrock on October 27, 2012, 07:42:38 PM
I'd use a Barnes rather than a Partition, but I'm sure it would kill a bear just fine. Definitely not the caliber I would choose for bear, but if it's what I had when an opportunity at a bear came up, I'd use it (not in this state though, it's not legal).
But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
Apples and oranges Bobcat. The arrow kills by cutting, and more often than not leaves an ample blood trail. Bear are notorious for not leaving much of a blood trail when shot with a small cartridge such as the 223 Rem. For bear, in my opinion, The 223 Rem also is a bit in short supply of penetration and energy .
To the OP, in a hunting situation, absolutely not. In a survival scenario, absolutely yes.
I agree completely.
A bear, properly hit with a .223 will not leave as good of a blood trail as one properly hit with a broadhead.
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on October 27, 2012, 07:50:06 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 27, 2012, 08:08:48 PM
It's twin brother the 5.56 has killed plenty of people larger than most bears you will see on the westside not my preference, but still deadly.
Exactly, no one ever said it was "Their" preferred cartridge cartridge. It is very well capable of getting the job done. Some like to dramatize it and take it out of text.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 27, 2012, 08:10:58 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on October 27, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
:bash: :bdid:
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 27, 2012, 08:12:36 PM
I think a .223 is a little light for bear hunting ...unless it is in a tree sitting above your head ...or you plan on shooting him below the ear , which can be easily done in the right hands :dunno: :chuckle:
No way, behind the ear! You would have to take on line shooting classes from" Snipers Hide" to be capable of such a shot. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 27, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
Post by: Rooster1981 on October 27, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
I wonder about questions like this ? The idea of trying to find the smallest caliber of round for whatever the quarry is , "could" it kill the animal always puzzled me. :dunno: If I aim at something and shoot my projectile I have to know that the animal will go down and not suffer. jmo
Post by: Kola16 on October 27, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on November 04, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
Correct placement of a .22lr round could kill a black bear, however, the percentages with that cartridge are significantly lower.
Hunting with lower calibers to me is not like fishing with light tackle. It comes down to the individual and the risk they are willing to accept that their choices leading up to the shot will result in a clean harvest of the animal. This is where the ethics and the individuals responsibility to understand their own system and it's inherent capabilities and shortfalls come into play.
Giving other options I would not choose .223 as a primary cartridge for black bear.
If I had an AR in the woods and was charged by a black bear, I'd light it up like the 4th, because the lower percentages would be more acceptable.
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 04, 2012, 03:49:02 PM
Post by: deerslyr on November 04, 2012, 05:25:36 PM
Post by: jess on November 04, 2012, 05:57:15 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on November 04, 2012, 05:59:58 PM
I'd use a Barnes rather than a Partition, but I'm sure it would kill a bear just fine. Definitely not the caliber I would choose for bear, but if it's what I had when an opportunity at a bear came up, I'd use it (not in this state though, it's not legal).X2!!!!! Bears are alot tougher than people think, and speaking from plenty of experience anyone who has killed enough bears would know even if it was legal it is far from ideal and a uneducated choice!!
But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
Post by: Special T on November 04, 2012, 06:34:44 PM
Post by: Atroxus on November 04, 2012, 07:40:35 PM
I'd use a Barnes rather than a Partition, but I'm sure it would kill a bear just fine. Definitely not the caliber I would choose for bear, but if it's what I had when an opportunity at a bear came up, I'd use it (not in this state though, it's not legal).
But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
Apples and oranges Bobcat. The arrow kills by cutting, and more often than not leaves an ample blood trail. Bear are notorious for not leaving much of a blood trail when shot with a small cartridge such as the 223 Rem. For bear, in my opinion, The 223 Rem also is a bit in short supply of penetration and energy .
To the OP, in a hunting situation, absolutely not. In a survival scenario, absolutely yes.
I agree completely.
A bear, properly hit with a .223 will not leave as good of a blood trail as one properly hit with a broadhead.
If you want a blood trail .223 is not a viable option. If on the other hand you can *consistently* make a spine or brain shot a .223 should be plenty effective. I couldn't/wouldn't do it, but I am sure there are people who could. Course in this state this debate is purely academic since it's not legal.
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Post by: inchtowntracking on November 04, 2012, 09:51:56 PM
Post by: mountainman on November 06, 2012, 09:28:28 AM
I'd use a Barnes rather than a Partition, but I'm sure it would kill a bear just fine. Definitely not the caliber I would choose for bear, but if it's what I had when an opportunity at a bear came up, I'd use it (not in this state though, it's not legal).
But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
Apples and oranges Bobcat. The arrow kills by cutting, and more often than not leaves an ample blood trail. Bear are notorious for not leaving much of a blood trail when shot with a small cartridge such as the 223 Rem. For bear, in my opinion, The 223 Rem also is a bit in short supply of penetration and energy .
To the OP, in a hunting situation, absolutely not. In a survival scenario, absolutely yes.
I agree completely.
A bear, properly hit with a .223 will not leave as good of a blood trail as one properly hit with a broadhead.
Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!
Post by: C-Money on November 06, 2012, 09:48:51 AM
Post by: bobcat on November 06, 2012, 10:23:12 AM
Or maybe the 22 mag (rim fire)? :yike:
Post by: ICEMAN on November 06, 2012, 10:38:29 AM
Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!
Better than this? :chuckle:
Post by: Mike450r on November 06, 2012, 10:40:10 AM
That being said, a .223 with 60 grn partition would kill a black bear just fine, shot and seen a lot of em get shot, most of them in the old days while up in a tree and in my opinion they aren't as tough as people think, but they do have a will to survive it seems and unless its a drop em right there shot those little furballs will jump spin and run pretty darn for so bloodtrailing after shooting a bear with the .223 would be my concern way more than it actually killing it.
Post by: Seabass on November 06, 2012, 03:58:20 PM
I guess I just don't really understand why a person would choose to hunt bear with a .223 if they had a choice. My dad used to always use this line when a discussion like this came up. You can chop down a tree with the claw of hammer but why would you if you had a chainsaw.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 07, 2012, 11:53:51 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 07, 2012, 12:58:45 PM
Since THIS thread is the most active under bear hunting.
I doubt we'll see it at the top next August :chuckle:
Post by: Deep Forks on November 08, 2012, 02:37:29 AM
Iceman, bet I know what that bear was shot with and it is a very good choice. :tup:
Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!
Better than this? :chuckle:
Post by: ICEMAN on November 08, 2012, 05:58:48 AM
Iceman, bet I know what that bear was shot with and it is a very good choice. :tup:
Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!
Better than this? :chuckle:
.300 Ultramagnum..... Didn't go very far...
Post by: mountainman on November 08, 2012, 07:51:04 PM
:)Now thats a nice bloodtrail!!Iceman, bet I know what that bear was shot with and it is a very good choice. :tup:
Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!
Better than this? :chuckle: