Post by: coachcw on October 31, 2012, 06:40:17 AM
Post by: danderson on October 31, 2012, 06:56:35 AM
Post by: maddog on October 31, 2012, 07:02:30 AM
Post by: groundhog on October 31, 2012, 07:10:22 AM
My favorite isn't an inline but I think it incorporates the best of both worlds. Check out the Lyman Great Plains Hunter. The Great Plains Hunter has a 32 inch fast twist barrel. It is designed to shoot sabots and with the long barrel it ensures that more powder is burned in the barrel which increases accuracy. We have two Great Plains Hunters and they both shoot less than 2 inch groups at 100 yards!!!! They also have a set trigger and once the trigger is set you couldn't ask for a better trigger pull. It is light and crisp!
It is heavier to carry than an in line but for off hand shots it points much nicer and the weight of the barrel makes it much more solid to hold in the off hand position. I use 209 caps and have never had a problem with miss fires but you could also switch to a musket cap. I fitted mine with a rear Peep sight and a smaller front sight post. This way the front sight doesn't cover up as much on longer shots. I have several inlines and this is my hands down favorite. Nothing wrong with the inlines but I can shoot this one much better. good luck.
Post by: coachcw on October 31, 2012, 07:48:08 AM
Post by: whacker1 on October 31, 2012, 07:53:41 AM
Post by: et1702 on October 31, 2012, 08:19:58 AM
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Post by: Lcl 66 Tinner on October 31, 2012, 08:29:21 AM
Hey Coach,You might want to check the regs but I believe the 209 primer is illegal. I would hate for you to get a ticket over that.
My favorite isn't an inline but I think it incorporates the best of both worlds. Check out the Lyman Great Plains Hunter. The Great Plains Hunter has a 32 inch fast twist barrel. It is designed to shoot sabots and with the long barrel it ensures that more powder is burned in the barrel which increases accuracy. We have two Great Plains Hunters and they both shoot less than 2 inch groups at 100 yards!!!! They also have a set trigger and once the trigger is set you couldn't ask for a better trigger pull. It is light and crisp!
It is heavier to carry than an in line but for off hand shots it points much nicer and the weight of the barrel makes it much more solid to hold in the off hand position. I use 209 caps and have never had a problem with miss fires but you could also switch to a musket cap. I fitted mine with a rear Peep sight and a smaller front sight post. This way the front sight doesn't cover up as much on longer shots. I have several inlines and this is my hands down favorite. Nothing wrong with the inlines but I can shoot this one much better. good luck.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 31, 2012, 08:33:38 AM
Post by: groundhog on October 31, 2012, 09:13:24 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 31, 2012, 09:17:40 AM
Post by: Lcl 66 Tinner on October 31, 2012, 09:29:53 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on October 31, 2012, 01:54:53 PM
ok gents I have an older bk 92 in .54 cal and I'm looking to up grade to a new .50 cal . Whats the best one you've found and why ? I'm looking for accuracy with sabots and good sights and trigger pull along with the least amount of dry fires . thanks for your imput .
That is an easy one for me - but I am totally biased - Knght DISC Extreme with a Western Kit... for shooting caps.
This is a picture of the open breech with a #11 Mag cap installed and ready to fire...
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This is an example of the gun - I use the same rifle during rifle season here in Idaho - so during ML season I remove the scope...
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Post by: coachcw on October 31, 2012, 02:20:04 PM
Post by: Griiz on October 31, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on November 01, 2012, 12:58:30 AM
I have not had a problem with it yet except in -34 degree ND snowy weather but that was my fault for frosting up my barrel and my powder in and out of the truck all day warming up.
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 01, 2012, 04:45:34 AM
I have a knight bighorn and love it. It is very accurate and reliable so far. Whatever you buy, make sure it is stainless to help with the corrosion.
I've never had corrosion problems. Is stainless something that most people gravitate towards for that reason? I've enjoyed shooting and hunting muzzleloader but never payed much attention to that sort of thing.
Post by: coachcw on November 01, 2012, 06:39:55 AM
Post by: groundhog on November 01, 2012, 07:27:12 AM
He reccommended starting at 100 gr of loose powder and working up in increments of 5 grains until you find the load that shoots the tightest group. I ended up at 115gr with 290 gr sabots.
He said that one of the biggest mistakes that folks make is trying to use too much powder. Most rifles will shoot two 50 grain pellets more accurately than three because they get a complete burn on two pellets and not on three. He said that just because the rifle is capable of shooting 150 grains does not mean that it well shoot 150gr as accurately as a lighter load. I am sure that the pellets are fine but I prefer loose powder....
Post by: Sabotloader on November 01, 2012, 07:27:56 AM
on your knight disc extremes have you found pellets or lose powder work better ?
Pellets will certainly work... but I really do prefer to shoot T7 loose powder, better and more consistent burns. In a cap gum I shoot T7-3f because of the cold weather I hunt in over here, well normally it is cold, in moderate temps of freezing and above T7-2f works very well with cap ignition.
Pellets are very expensive as compared to loose powder and if if you ever sat down and measured the individual pellets on a scale you would quickly find the inconsistentcies..
Post by: Griiz on November 01, 2012, 08:26:26 AM
I have a knight bighorn and love it. It is very accurate and reliable so far. Whatever you buy, make sure it is stainless to help with the corrosion.
I've never had corrosion problems. Is stainless something that most people gravitate towards for that reason? I've enjoyed shooting and hunting muzzleloader but never payed much attention to that sort of thing.
I had a blued CVA before and some of my hunting partners do also (granted they are a cheap gun with a poor quality bluing job), it was hard keeping the rust away with the corrosive nature of the powder.
Post by: Jrzbullelk on November 01, 2012, 08:46:11 AM
Post by: whacker1 on November 01, 2012, 09:14:56 AM
As was said before me - better consistency with loose
I am shooting 80 grains with my remington .54
Post by: HntnFsh on November 01, 2012, 07:32:13 PM
I have a Knight and I know a factory Knight representative. He told me that in all of Knights testing that they feel that loose powder is the way to go for the best accuracy. He said that loose powder will give you a better consistent burn and better accuracy. This is all from him, he also said that guys that are shooting three 50 gr pellets are generally not getting a complete burn on all three pellets before they leave the end of the barrel.
He reccommended starting at 100 gr of loose powder and working up in increments of 5 grains until you find the load that shoots the tightest group. I ended up at 115gr with 290 gr sabots.
He said that one of the biggest mistakes that folks make is trying to use too much powder. Most rifles will shoot two 50 grain pellets more accurately than three because they get a complete burn on two pellets and not on three. He said that just because the rifle is capable of shooting 150 grains does not mean that it well shoot 150gr as accurately as a lighter load. I am sure that the pellets are fine but I prefer loose powder....
I agree with what he says.
Post by: danderson on November 01, 2012, 11:21:53 PM
Post by: whacker1 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:28 AM
What type of loose powder is best, I have been using 110 grains of a black powder substatute and have to clean it every other shot, I hear that pirodex premium loose powder burns cleaner than standard ff black powder.
tripleSeven is the brand i found that burns the cleanest. i can get half a dozen shots in before cleaning when at the range
Post by: danderson on November 02, 2012, 06:56:44 AM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 03, 2012, 02:38:13 PM
Post by: jwroberts on November 03, 2012, 09:02:14 PM
Post by: gadwall on November 04, 2012, 07:52:27 AM
Hey Coach,
My favorite isn't an inline but I think it incorporates the best of both worlds. Check out the Lyman Great Plains Hunter. The Great Plains Hunter has a 32 inch fast twist barrel. It is designed to shoot sabots and with the long barrel it ensures that more powder is burned in the barrel which increases accuracy. We have two Great Plains Hunters and they both shoot less than 2 inch groups at 100 yards!!!! They also have a set trigger and once the trigger is set you couldn't ask for a better trigger pull. It is light and crisp!
It is heavier to carry than an in line but for off hand shots it points much nicer and the weight of the barrel makes it much more solid to hold in the off hand position. I use 209 caps and have never had a problem with miss fires but you could also switch to a musket cap. I fitted mine with a rear Peep sight and a smaller front sight post. This way the front sight doesn't cover up as much on longer shots. I have several inlines and this is my hands down favorite. Nothing wrong with the inlines but I can shoot this one much better. good luck.
I agree with alot of the pros that groundhog points out here. I have an inline and a traditional hawken. Both are good shooters but the hawken has the inline beat by a bit on accuracy. Changing sights as he did is also a good idea, and shooting a set trigger is the way to go if you are willing to practice. Good luck. :)
Post by: gadwall on November 04, 2012, 08:04:05 AM
Again, groundhog seems to have had the same results I have had. I shoot a CVA Elkhorn Pro and was having accuracy problems. I talked to the guys at Precision Rifle since I shoot their Extreme Elite bullet. They told be to go from a 300 gr bullet to a 260 grain for 1:28 twist, be sure to shoot loose powder and back the charge down. I am down to 75 grains of Tripple 7, my groups tightened up and I am dead on at 150. I shot a nice 3 x 4 mule deer this year at 140 and was real happy with the bullet performance and penetration.
Gadwall
Post by: jjhunter on November 04, 2012, 08:12:13 AM
I shoot a "new" Knight Bighorn. I shoot 295 grn Powerbelts (because I hunt Idaho too) behind 90 grns of T7. This combo has worked out well for me!
JJ
Post by: coachcw on November 05, 2012, 06:23:15 AM
Post by: Natas5150 on November 05, 2012, 06:52:35 AM
Good Luck
Post by: coachcw on November 05, 2012, 01:03:25 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on November 19, 2012, 12:04:08 PM
Here's why . every salesman is gonna try and sell you on there products . I trust guys on here and there experiance . Sure one has to decide for him self but this gives me a good base line . People come into my work and ask opinions all the time.
Best pitch I got. CVA Elkhorn Magnum. Its got the 3 way ignition so its legal just about anywhere, fluted barrel so its nice and light and its easy to clean. Took 2 deer with it this year in Oklahoma and the wife took 1 with it. Goes boom man!
PS. Camo job is custom by me.
Post by: BiggLuke on November 19, 2012, 02:19:55 PM
Easy to clean, and super accurate.
off hand I can punch 3 rounds in a 1" or so group at 50 yards.
I've never missed a pop can after the hunt while unloading. ;)
Just saying.... in my humble opinion.