Post by: 7mmfan on November 05, 2012, 10:29:07 AM
If you are hunting with someone who has an unfilled antlerless tag, and you see a cow who is OBVIOUSLY wounded, limping/dragging a leg, mouth hanging wide open and lagging behind the herd, what do you do?
You don't have the tag, but you know there is a tag that could go on it, putting the animal out of its misery and to good use. Do you shoot, or do you live by the letter of the law and watch it limp away? Its a very tough decision because most of us are people that live by the letter of the law, and that's that. And to watch these animals, that we care about so much, suffer, just doesn't make sense.
Thoughts?
Post by: quadrafire on November 05, 2012, 10:30:56 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 05, 2012, 10:31:46 AM
I would go get my hunting buddy and let him/her finish it off, IF they wanted it.
Good answer.
Post by: Curly on November 05, 2012, 10:35:10 AM
Post by: PolarBear on November 05, 2012, 10:35:50 AM
I would go get my hunting buddy and let him/her finish it off, IF they wanted it.:yeah:
If he does not chose to shoot it you have to let nature take it's course or risk getting nailed for poaching.
Post by: Bob33 on November 05, 2012, 10:42:47 AM
Shooting an elk without a legal tag is not something I would do in this instance.
Nature is very cruel.
Post by: 7mmfan on November 05, 2012, 10:51:42 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on November 05, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Post by: kentrek on November 05, 2012, 10:58:27 AM
if the cow was that wounded then it shouldnt be too hard to go get your buddy an come back to kill her..thats the safe way to do it..i would like them to allow a regulated party hunting tho
Post by: Colville on November 05, 2012, 11:01:03 AM
Intent has a lot to do with it. If a guy shoots a dying to slow, suffering critter that he can't legally tag, lets it lie but solves that problem for the animal. He's done the "right" thing. He assumes the risk of punishment and right or wrong, will receive punishment if found out. He's beyond ok in my camp. Guys push the limit when they do that, then want to take the meat. When you can personally profit from the action it will always call into question your intent. And that's why the law is the way it is. If we were permitted to take the meat on that animal lots of guys would kill them and claim they found it in a bad way so that they can profit. Most of the laws like this can't be ambiguous without people driving a freight train through the gaps in the law. I'm from the camp that says do the right thing, don't profit from it, keep your mouth shut. A clear conscience is your reward.
Post by: Mike450r on November 05, 2012, 11:08:08 AM
I doubt I would shoot a limping cow, in fact I have seen a quite a few limping cows but a cow in a similiar situation as that doe, yep.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 05, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
Might depend on the responding wildlife agent but I went to pick my kid up at my parents several years back in May or June, know it was somewhere around that time because I had to get him to a baseball game and defnitely wasn't deer season. Anyhow, I pulled into the driveway and saw a doe that had impaled herself on my parents fence. The post was through the flank coming out near the tail. She had tried to get loose for awhile it looked like and was very torn up. I shot her on the spot without even thinking about it. I got a little nervous after I had time to think about it so I called WDFW and an agent came out. I left for the game but he talked to my parents and he was fine with what I did, didn't say anything about needing to call them first, just took her away.
I doubt I would shoot a limping cow, in fact I have seen a quite a few limping cows but a cow in a similiar situation as that doe, yep.
Down in this neck of the woods, shooting all the limping cows would fill quite a few tags a day with the hoof rot.
Post by: Kioti on November 05, 2012, 12:05:11 PM
What if you shoot it and at about the same time your buddy with the cow tag shoots a cow. Then you'd be screwed. It's sad, but I'd have to let it limp away.Good one...yup thats a tuff one....
Like it was said...I would go get my hunting partner and have him tag it....if not...then that cow is on her own.
Post by: Colville on November 05, 2012, 12:10:37 PM
Post by: Curly on November 05, 2012, 12:11:56 PM
Down in this neck of the woods, shooting all the limping cows would fill quite a few tags a day with the hoof rot.
I was thinking the same thing.
My dad had a disabled hunter Toutle cow tag last year and he shot and missed a cow in a small herd of cows. When they took off running, all of them were limping. At first I thought, he hit one and then later realized they all had hoof rot.
The next day I ended up shooting a cow for him and it had a little bit of hoof rot too.
Post by: Gringo31 on November 05, 2012, 12:17:57 PM
That being said, once when bird hunting the breaks of the snake river when I was at WSU, my dog got to barking in a deep brushy draw. I walked up on the down wind side of it and could smell the rot. There was a 2 pt with it's back side half eaten, half rotten and still alive. We shot that buck point blank with a shotgun and moved on.
I think the difference is lagging behing the herd and being down and out. Many of us have harvested deer or elk that had prior injuries from bullets, muskets or broadheads from years past. At the time I shot that 2pt, I was majoring in Wildlife Mgmt. I did consider calling a warden but felt sorry for the deer waiting and for the warden to hike that far up that steep country to do what needed done. :dunno:
I think how severe the penalties are keep us in check. Does the "risk" outweight the "reward"?
To put it another way....if at any point later, a LEO were to come and investigate, it damn sure better be very clear by the evidence that you were doing the "right thing" any that the animal in question had ZERO chance of survival.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 05, 2012, 09:06:19 PM
Post by: csaaphill on November 05, 2012, 09:46:33 PM
Killing game for another happens all the time weather we admit it or not so who knows.
Post by: MountainWalk on November 05, 2012, 10:09:12 PM
Post by: Ripper on November 06, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
Post by: bobcat on November 06, 2012, 11:49:57 AM
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I saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 11:51:07 AM
QuoteI saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
So how would you have handled the meat?
Post by: h20hunter on November 06, 2012, 11:52:05 AM
The buck with the jaw....If it was blown away and obvious I probably would take the shot, make sure it is dead, then never tell a single person. I wouldn't take any meat, horn, nothing. I would leave it to nature and simply view it as ending the misery of the animal.
Post by: bobcat on November 06, 2012, 11:52:18 AM
QuoteI saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
So how would you have handled the meat?
Left it for the coyotes and ravens.
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 06, 2012, 11:54:18 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 12:02:33 PM
QuoteI saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
So how would you have handled the meat?
Left it for the coyotes and ravens.
Making an ethical decision to put down a suffering animal is a great one. Making the decision to leave the meat for the scavengers seems to me not an ethical one. I guess I'd have to think long and hard about not only killing the animal, but what to do in the aftermath.
Post by: bobcat on November 06, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
QuoteI saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
So how would you have handled the meat?
Left it for the coyotes and ravens.
Making an ethical decision to put down a suffering animal is a great one. Making the decision to leave the meat for the scavengers seems to me not an ethical one. I guess I'd have to think long and hard about not only killing the animal, but what to do in the aftermath.
How is it not ethical? The scavengers would have eaten that deer eventually anyway. You just helped speed up the process. You have to remember, just because a human doesn't eat it, it doesn't mean it was wasted.
Post by: Curly on November 06, 2012, 12:13:09 PM
QuoteI saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
So how would you have handled the meat?
Left it for the coyotes and ravens.
Making an ethical decision to put down a suffering animal is a great one. Making the decision to leave the meat for the scavengers seems to me not an ethical one. I guess I'd have to think long and hard about not only killing the animal, but what to do in the aftermath.
How is it not ethical? The scavengers would have eaten that deer eventually anyway. You just helped speed up the process. You have to remember, just because a human doesn't eat it, it doesn't mean it was wasted.
I agree. It would be ethical to put it down. Just have to do it and not get caught. Easier not to get caught if you don't keep the meat...........(and ethical because you're putting it out of its misery).
Post by: brokenvet on November 06, 2012, 12:13:38 PM
Post by: Mike450r on November 06, 2012, 12:14:17 PM
QuoteI saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
So how would you have handled the meat?
Left it for the coyotes and ravens.
Making an ethical decision to put down a suffering animal is a great one. Making the decision to leave the meat for the scavengers seems to me not an ethical one. I guess I'd have to think long and hard about not only killing the animal, but what to do in the aftermath.
When I put down an animal the carcass is not a concern to me. If an animal is in such a way that putting it down is the humane option what does it matter where the meat goes, in particular a wild animal that would be scavenger food anyhow but only with a few more days of suffering if not put down.
Post by: h20hunter on November 06, 2012, 12:18:41 PM
Like I said....if the time comes I'll know what is right for me and won't have to explain the decision to anyone since I wouldn't ever talk about it.
Post by: runamuk on November 06, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
QuoteI saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
So how would you have handled the meat?
Left it for the coyotes and ravens.
Making an ethical decision to put down a suffering animal is a great one. Making the decision to leave the meat for the scavengers seems to me not an ethical one. I guess I'd have to think long and hard about not only killing the animal, but what to do in the aftermath.
How is it not ethical? The scavengers would have eaten that deer eventually anyway. You just helped speed up the process. You have to remember, just because a human doesn't eat it, it doesn't mean it was wasted.
I agree. It would be ethical to put it down. Just have to do it and not get caught. Easier not to get caught if you don't keep the meat...........(and ethical because you're putting it out of its misery).
and our states overregulation of wildlife has created this conundrum would be nice if in this case permission could be obtained and the meat salvaged
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 12:21:26 PM
[/b]QuoteI saw a 2 point buck this last weekend with a broken jaw, it was just hanging open.
That's a situation where I definitely would have put it out of its misery (unless there would have been witnesses.)
So how would you have handled the meat?
Left it for the coyotes and ravens.
Making an ethical decision to put down a suffering animal is a great one. Making the decision to leave the meat for the scavengers seems to me not an ethical one. I guess I'd have to think long and hard about not only killing the animal, but what to do in the aftermath.
How is it not ethical? The scavengers would have eaten that deer eventually anyway. You just helped speed up the process. You have to remember, just because a human doesn't eat it, it doesn't mean it was wasted.
I agree. It would be ethical to put it down. Just have to do it and not get caught. Easier not to get caught if you don't keep the meat...........(and ethical because you're putting it out of its misery).
and our states overregulation of wildlife has created this conundrum would be nice if in this case permission could be obtained and the meat salvaged
That's not true. This would be a conundrum in any state. Killing an animal that you can't tag because it's suffering would be the same no matter where you hunted.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
Post by: Colville on November 06, 2012, 12:24:05 PM
Any time you stand to personally profit from an action it will automatically call into question whether you were showing integrity or greed. The only way to settle that is not to personally benefit in any way. Not to mention that one is already in violation of law for doing the right thing in killing the deer. To take the meat means that should you be caught later that you'll have no defense that your purpose was purely honorable.
Post by: runamuk on November 06, 2012, 12:27:54 PM
It's absolutely a tough question.
many other states have the ability to call and get it taken to those who can use it....less wasteful regulations less geared toward the idea of hunting as a sport for trophy acquisition like in this state. :dunno:
what I would do is not come online and ask what to do or ponder what I would or would not do...I instead will wait until such time as I am presented a situation and see what I do then....
and no need to shoot it just hit it with your truck :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 01:12:49 PM
There's no contradiction pianoman. The deer was going to die, soon. The result was going to be the consumption of it's meat by nature. The only thing in question, the ethical conundrum was whether or not to allow the deer to die slowly, suffering or to end it quickly.
Any time you stand to personally profit from an action it will automatically call into question whether you were showing integrity or greed. The only way to settle that is not to personally benefit in any way. Not to mention that one is already in violation of law for doing the right thing in killing the deer. To take the meat means that should you be caught later that you'll have no defense that your purpose was purely honorable.
I understand that keeping the meat for yourself wouldn't be an ethical or legal option. I was thinking more along the lines of an anonymous phone call with GPS coordinates to lead them to the kill for salvaging. It's not a situation most of us will ever encounter, but it is interesting to ponder it.
Post by: chad s. on November 06, 2012, 01:58:25 PM
Most of these stupid answers affirm what I think of a lot of people on this site! How do you know someone didn't just shoot and wound the animal earlier in the day, or the night before, and they're tracking the animal??? So you shoot it, and your buddy tags it, and then the person who was tracking it shows up.......then what??? I get sick of how unethical some of you are. There are two types of hunters; a sportsman, and a dousch bag! We all have the same regulations to abide by. Is it really that tough?
Post by: bobcat on November 06, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
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There are two types of hunters; a sportsman, and a dousch bag!
And you are the *censored* bag type? :dunno:
Post by: KyleMB123 on November 06, 2012, 02:06:13 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 02:06:40 PM
Hey Chad, if you don't like the people on this site, go elsewhere, tough guy. I don't remember needing you before you showed up. Thanks for playing! :tup:
Post by: rtspring on November 06, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
DO not in any way shape or form put yourself into this situation. Let the cow walk..... no matter what. Trust me, I am not guilty and have been put through the ringer. The elk is not worth your family, your gun, your truck, and your peace of mind...
Yes indeed, it dont make sense sometimes, But you will have way bigger problems then some wounded elk if you decide to shoot it and don't have the proper tag..
RTSPRING
Post by: rtspring on November 06, 2012, 02:38:28 PM
There are Fish and Wildlife Officers on here!!! Take it form a guy that knows! they have copied some of my statements and sent them to the DA. I could give a damn what they sent to the DA cause I have all the proof I need in my case...
BUT but your A** I'm not the first one they have done this too... Just because your sitting behind a computer doesn't mean they dont know who you are...
food for thought...
RTSPRING
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 02:38:54 PM
"If you are hunting with someone who has an unfilled antlerless tag, and you see a cow who is OBVIOUSLY wounded, limping/dragging a leg, mouth hanging wide open and lagging behind the herd, what do you do?"
Most of these stupid answers affirm what I think of a lot of people on this site! How do you know someone didn't just shoot and wound the animal earlier in the day, or the night before, and they're tracking the animal??? So you shoot it, and your buddy tags it, and then the person who was tracking it shows up.......then what??? I get sick of how unethical some of you are. There are two types of hunters; a sportsman, and a dousch bag! We all have the same regulations to abide by. Is it really that tough?
I have a question for the participants in this thread: If you call someone a *censored* and misspell it, doesn't that fall under the double-*censored* rule and make you the *censored*? Feedback anyone?
Post by: combs338 on November 06, 2012, 02:40:15 PM
"If you are hunting with someone who has an unfilled antlerless tag, and you see a cow who is OBVIOUSLY wounded, limping/dragging a leg, mouth hanging wide open and lagging behind the herd, what do you do?"
Most of these stupid answers affirm what I think of a lot of people on this site! How do you know someone didn't just shoot and wound the animal earlier in the day, or the night before, and they're tracking the animal??? So you shoot it, and your buddy tags it, and then the person who was tracking it shows up.......then what??? I get sick of how unethical some of you are. There are two types of hunters; a sportsman, and a dousch bag! We all have the same regulations to abide by. Is it really that tough?
Why yes, yes it does.
I have a question for the participants in this thread: If you call someone a *censored* and misspell it, doesn't that fall under the double-*censored* rule and make you the *censored*? Feedback anyone?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 02:40:51 PM
READ this and remember it..
There are Fish and Wildlife Officers on here!!! Take it form a guy that knows! they have copied some of my statements and sent them to the DA. I could give a damn what they sent to the DA cause I have all the proof I need in my case...
BUT but your A** I'm not the first one they have done this too... Just because your sitting behind a computer doesn't mean they dont know who you are...
food for thought...
RTSPRING
Lighten up, Francis. It's just a hypothetical discussion. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on November 06, 2012, 02:41:21 PM
"If you are hunting with someone who has an unfilled antlerless tag, and you see a cow who is OBVIOUSLY wounded, limping/dragging a leg, mouth hanging wide open and lagging behind the herd, what do you do?"
Most of these stupid answers affirm what I think of a lot of people on this site! How do you know someone didn't just shoot and wound the animal earlier in the day, or the night before, and they're tracking the animal??? So you shoot it, and your buddy tags it, and then the person who was tracking it shows up.......then what??? I get sick of how unethical some of you are. There are two types of hunters; a sportsman, and a dousch bag! We all have the same regulations to abide by. Is it really that tough?
I have a question for the participants in this thread: If you call someone a *censored* and misspell it, doesn't that fall under the double-*censored* rule and make you the *censored*? Feedback anyone?
thats intriguing in theory ..... :dunno:
but I also thought we were only supposed to call politicians and presidential candidates *censored*s :dunno: not each other....so not sure where the ruling would be on this one
Post by: bobcat on November 06, 2012, 02:45:34 PM
READ this and remember it..
There are Fish and Wildlife Officers on here!!! Take it form a guy that knows! they have copied some of my statements and sent them to the DA. I could give a damn what they sent to the DA cause I have all the proof I need in my case...
BUT but your A** I'm not the first one they have done this too... Just because your sitting behind a computer doesn't mean they dont know who you are...
food for thought...
RTSPRING
Lighten up, Francis. It's just a hypothetical discussion. :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yeah: Nobody is claiming to have actually done anything illegal here. Simply a discussion, and there's no law against that- yet.
Believe me, if I break any laws, I won't be admitting to it on the Internet.
Post by: rtspring on November 06, 2012, 02:52:41 PM
READ this and remember it..
There are Fish and Wildlife Officers on here!!! Take it form a guy that knows! they have copied some of my statements and sent them to the DA. I could give a damn what they sent to the DA cause I have all the proof I need in my case...
BUT but your A** I'm not the first one they have done this too... Just because your sitting behind a computer doesn't mean they dont know who you are...
food for thought...
RTSPRING
Lighten up, Francis. It's just a hypothetical discussion. :chuckle: :chuckle:
PIANO, since your a mod, can you qoute where I said anyone was writing a confession on here??? If so please quote me on that!! I was simply putting it out there.
FRANCIS??? your vocabulary speaks volumes of who you are!! I know private forum, you can say as yo wish..... Like always YOU resort to name calling! But yet always jump on me for bashing people... I would like to know where I bash people?? I would actually help you too if you wern't such a bad mood type of guy....
RTSPRING
Post by: Bob33 on November 06, 2012, 02:54:23 PM
I have a question for the participants in this thread: If you call someone a *censored* and misspell it, doesn't that fall under the double-*censored* rule and make you the *censored*? Feedback anyone?Article 4, subsection 3, paragraph 2, clause 14 deals with this in detail. The law is clear: calling another hunter a *censored* by the use of incorrect or improper spelling, as defined by Webster's 43rd version, invalidates the claim and results in subrogation and sequestration of the original accusation.
Post by: Woodchuck on November 06, 2012, 02:55:39 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 03:00:37 PM
READ this and remember it..
There are Fish and Wildlife Officers on here!!! Take it form a guy that knows! they have copied some of my statements and sent them to the DA. I could give a damn what they sent to the DA cause I have all the proof I need in my case...
BUT but your A** I'm not the first one they have done this too... Just because your sitting behind a computer doesn't mean they dont know who you are...
food for thought...
RTSPRING
Lighten up, Francis. It's just a hypothetical discussion. :chuckle: :chuckle:
PIANO, since your a mod, can you qoute where I said anyone was writing a confession on here??? If so please quote me on that!! I was simply putting it out there.
FRANCIS??? your vocabulary speaks volumes of who you are!! I know private forum, you can say as yo wish..... Like always YOU resort to name calling! But yet always jump on me for bashing people... I would like to know where I bash people?? I would actually help you too if you wern't such a bad mood type of guy....
RTSPRING
RT, I'm not bashing anyone. You really take life way too seriously. Like I said, lighten up Francis.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 06, 2012, 03:01:43 PM
I have a question for the participants in this thread: If you call someone a *censored* and misspell it, doesn't that fall under the double-*censored* rule and make you the *censored*? Feedback anyone?Article 4, subsection 3, paragraph 2, clause 14 deals with this in detail. The law is clear: calling another hunter a *censored* by the use of incorrect or improper spelling, as defined by Webster's 43rd version, invalidates the claim and results in subrogation and sequestration of the original accusation.
Thank you, Bob. I knew about the existence of the rule, but couldn't find it in the library! :tup:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on November 06, 2012, 03:52:54 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 06, 2012, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: runamuk on November 06, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
you watch nature take its course, it may heal, or it may be part of the food chain, either way nature will decide and i will not be going to jail for pretending to be nature. :tup:
ummm except humans are part of nature we are an apex predator and we play a huge part in nature in modern times as we alter where and how wildlife lives and are thus also responsible for our role in this management, why is it better for the animal to die a slow death, be taken by a bear cougar wolf all predators as well instead of the human predator taking the animal.
It is another one of my beliefs that our continued insistence that we are not part of nature and also allowing ourselves to be blamed for destroying nature that has let the environmental movement go to crazy places. We are as much a part of nature as a tree a wolf or an ant, every creature on this planet plays a role in the way it works and none exist inside a bubble or vacuum :dunno:
Post by: deadwoodbuck on November 06, 2012, 04:11:04 PM
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Article 4, subsection 3, paragraph 2, clause 14 deals with this in detail. The law is clear: calling another hunter a *censored* by the use of incorrect or improper spelling, as defined by Webster's 43rd version, invalidates the claim and results in subrogation and sequestration of the original accusation.:yeah:
there are many animals running around town with broken legs...life is tough survival is tougher...then they die and the life that was in them is past onto another life. on the original question...find someone with a cow tag to shoot the elk if possible if not that animal will feed the needs of others out there trying to survive. just my :twocents:
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 06, 2012, 04:12:17 PM
"If you are hunting with someone who has an unfilled antlerless tag, and you see a cow who is OBVIOUSLY wounded, limping/dragging a leg, mouth hanging wide open and lagging behind the herd, what do you do?"
Most of these stupid answers affirm what I think of a lot of people on this site! How do you know someone didn't just shoot and wound the animal earlier in the day, or the night before, and they're tracking the animal??? So you shoot it, and your buddy tags it, and then the person who was tracking it shows up.......then what??? I get sick of how unethical some of you are. There are two types of hunters; a sportsman, and a dousch bag! We all have the same regulations to abide by. Is it really that tough?
I have a question for the participants in this thread: If you call someone a *censored* and misspell it, doesn't that fall under the double-*censored* rule and make you the *censored*? Feedback anyone?
thats intriguing in theory ..... :dunno:
but I also thought we were only supposed to call politicians and presidential candidates *censored*s :dunno: not each other....so not sure where the ruling would be on this one
For some reason I'm going to have to agree about the *censored*..... I spell wrong all the time.... But when you wanna name call and spell it wrong that's just bad mojo....
Post by: Kc_Kracker on November 06, 2012, 04:39:33 PM
you watch nature take its course, it may heal, or it may be part of the food chain, either way nature will decide and i will not be going to jail for pretending to be nature. :tup:
ummm except humans are part of nature we are an apex predator and we play a huge part in nature in modern times as we alter where and how wildlife lives and are thus also responsible for our role in this management, why is it better for the animal to die a slow death, be taken by a bear cougar wolf all predators as well instead of the human predator taking the animal.
It is another one of my beliefs that our continued insistence that we are not part of nature and also allowing ourselves to be blamed for destroying nature that has let the environmental movement go to crazy places. We are as much a part of nature as a tree a wolf or an ant, every creature on this planet plays a role in the way it works and none exist inside a bubble or vacuum :dunno:
sorry seems i misread it, i first thought he was asking if he should shoot it w/o a tag. sorry
Post by: Colville on November 06, 2012, 04:49:32 PM
It's to mock the poster by suggesting he's the dewsh. Or that maybe he's an idoit or maron. ITG's hate being mocked leading to additional ranting with misspelled rejoinders.
Then tell them it's not personal and to lighten up, but seriously don't be a *censored*.
Post by: Buckmark on November 06, 2012, 05:05:59 PM
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God i love this time of year, election tension, internet tough guys, name calling...ahhhhh another season of huntwa soap opera is just getting started..
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 06, 2012, 05:20:07 PM
Post by: preacherman on November 06, 2012, 06:20:54 PM
The buck had a bone sticking out of the skin of leg, but the bone and skin had heeled that way, he was completely crippled on that leg.
WDFW needs to have some type of provision for this type of thing to be managed out of season!
On the plus side I think that we will win her over to a management understanding of deer harvest.
-I do find it ironic that the liberals hate trophy hunting, but in reality the laws they end up pushing lean toward the trophy hunter.
-I believe that in over populated areas there should be provision for subsistence tags, I believe that an animal dead on the road should be fair game even without a tag.
-When i was a kid we were POOR, and we knew a sheriff that would call us when there was a fresh road kill. It was in Oregon and we ate quite a few elk that way. Much of the animal is ruined, but there is usable meat if it is bled out quickly, and handled soon. I have often thought that there ought to to be a food bank type deal that LEOs could call that would get right on deer and elk kills, then distribute.