Post by: MountainWalk on November 15, 2012, 11:50:32 PM
Post by: FALFire on November 16, 2012, 06:05:52 AM
Post by: bearhunter99 on November 16, 2012, 06:06:48 AM
No.
:yeah:
Post by: Bofire on November 16, 2012, 07:27:12 AM
Carl
Post by: MountainWalk on November 16, 2012, 07:35:05 AM
So many damn shots out of that thing that the first two shots were good, after that forget it.
Post by: brokenvet on November 16, 2012, 07:37:38 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on November 16, 2012, 07:39:20 AM
Post by: 300rum on November 16, 2012, 07:50:05 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 16, 2012, 08:00:06 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on November 16, 2012, 08:03:25 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on November 16, 2012, 08:20:21 AM
Yes, it's called breaking over the barrels. I have carried rifles afield in that manner, chambered with pin down. Yeah, pin is barely resting on primer, but it takes A HELLUVA FORCEFUL bump to get it to go off.What would the point of carrying a rifle with in chamber and pin down?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 16, 2012, 08:21:22 AM
Yes, it's called breaking over the barrels. I have carried rifles afield in that manner, chambered with pin down. Yeah, pin is barely resting on primer, but it takes A HELLUVA FORCEFUL bump to get it to go off.What would the point of carrying a rifle with in chamber and pin down?
:yeah: :dunno:
Post by: MountainWalk on November 16, 2012, 08:25:33 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 16, 2012, 08:54:56 AM
As has been pointed out in other posts by several folks, kids and new hunters read this forum for insight and to learn, someting like this is an example of what not to be teaching. Very unsafe practice, especially by your own admission that you know it would fire if given a "HELLUVA FORCEFUL bump."
Post by: lokidog on November 16, 2012, 08:58:38 AM
No safety to toggle with. Not worrying about the wing catching and flipping off. Not keeping constant all day all week tension and pressure on moving parts. It all amounts to not much, just a preference I guess.
I think the curiosity and question is wouldn't you have to cycle the bolt, thus ejecting your cartridge, to cock the firing pin?
I do not personally like a gun I have to take off safe to unload but have to deal with it on a feww.
Post by: MountainWalk on November 16, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on November 16, 2012, 09:01:15 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 16, 2012, 09:04:43 AM
And dear Game Warden, how is it not different than a safety? Is it possible to make a rifle fire with a safety on? Has that never happened? If the pin is under NO tension, what can it do?
As stated before, it can fire with a blow to the gun, such as dropping it. The pin is resting on the primer, so...
Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 16, 2012, 09:07:10 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 16, 2012, 09:11:18 AM
I guess when it comes to firearms and safety, because of the potential for severe injury and death, it seems that folks would want to do everything possible to be as safe as possible.
Not a game warden by the way, just someone who has handled firearms for decades and understands that things can happen and how fast it can happen and that you can't call the bullet back.
Again, not meant to insult you, appoligize if I did.
Post by: JLS on November 16, 2012, 09:12:56 AM
I wouldn't be too excited about my hunting partner doing this, YMMV.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 16, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
My bolt locks when the safety is engage, but of course it is an older Rem 700, which I received back in 1976
Mine too. I bought my 700 Classic .30-06 in '74 or 5. Safety locks the bolt.
Post by: jaymark6655 on November 16, 2012, 09:18:00 AM
This might be of topic, but what is so great about having a firearm where the safety locks the bolt? I know Savage does this and it never seemed to make sense to me.
Post by: JLS on November 16, 2012, 09:19:32 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 16, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 16, 2012, 09:52:47 AM
Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about the safety part. Was just wondering why carry round in the chamber if you still have to cycle bolt at least part way.
This might be of topic, but what is so great about having a firearm where the safety locks the bolt? I know Savage does this and it never seemed to make sense to me.
I've often wondered this myself.
Post by: Jburke on November 16, 2012, 10:03:05 AM
Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about the safety part. Was just wondering why carry round in the chamber if you still have to cycle bolt at least part way.The biggest benefit I have noticed with it is that if I am carrying my rifle over my shoulder on a sling that the bolt can catch on clothing, backpack, vest. etc. If the bolt locks closed it cant open up on you when dismounting the rifle from yor shoulder. I had a gun that did not lock the bolt and it would catch on clothing once in awhile. If the bolt turns adn you try to shoot without realizing it you'll be pretty pissed when the gun doesn't even go click. I personally like the two position safeties though. That way I can lock it but then unload while still on safety.
This might be of topic, but what is so great about having a firearm where the safety locks the bolt? I know Savage does this and it never seemed to make sense to me.
Post by: 300rum on November 16, 2012, 10:06:40 AM
Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about the safety part. Was just wondering why carry round in the chamber if you still have to cycle bolt at least part way.The biggest benefit I have noticed with it is that if I am carrying my rifle over my shoulder on a sling that the bolt can catch on clothing, backpack, vest. etc. If the bolt locks closed it cant open up on you when dismounting the rifle from yor shoulder. I had a gun that did not lock the bolt and it would catch on clothing once in awhile. If the bolt turns adn you try to shoot without realizing it you'll be pretty pissed when the gun doesn't even go click. I personally like the two position safeties though. That way I can lock it but then unload while still on safety.
This might be of topic, but what is so great about having a firearm where the safety locks the bolt? I know Savage does this and it never seemed to make sense to me.
Post by: high country on November 16, 2012, 11:24:06 AM
Yes, it's called breaking over the barrels. I have carried rifles afield in that manner, chambered with pin down. Yeah, pin is barely resting on primer, but it takes A HELLUVA FORCEFUL bump to get it to go off.
If you are carrying a chambered round on a decococked firing pin......STOP! You are making a great error that will some day result in an accidental discharge.
The stress on the sear is inconsequential the main spring may show some settling over time, but I have seen many a 30 year old rifles that have been stored cocked without issue.
Dont over think this non problem.
Post by: JLS on November 16, 2012, 05:38:04 PM
Dont over think this non problem.
C'mon bro, isn't that the new American way? :)
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on November 16, 2012, 09:06:31 PM
I think the curiosity and question is wouldn't you have to cycle the bolt, thus ejecting your cartridge, to cock the firing pin?
No. Just raising and lowering the bolt will cock the firing pin. New bolt guns cock on the upstroke. A few old bolt guns were designed to cock on the downstroke,but they can be converted to cock on the upstroke. I was told why this is preferable, but can't recall.... I've noticed a small indent in the primer when one of my ARs chambers a round, by the floating firing pin lightly striking the primer, but I've never had a slamfire. Still, I point the muzzle in a safe direction when chambering a round. Ya never know... After all, a gun is just a machine!
Post by: high country on November 16, 2012, 09:32:54 PM
Post by: timberghost72 on November 17, 2012, 08:32:45 AM