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Community => Advocacy, Agencies, Access => Topic started by: JimmyHoffa on November 23, 2012, 10:56:43 AM

Title: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 23, 2012, 10:56:43 AM: Haven't seen this posted yet.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/energy-environment/obama-administration-plan-to-save-spotted-owl-doubles-forest-designated-as-critical-habitat/2012/11/21/ce20022e-3419-11e2-92f0-496af208bf23_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/energy-environment/obama-administration-plan-to-save-spotted-owl-doubles-forest-designated-as-critical-habitat/2012/11/21/ce20022e-3419-11e2-92f0-496af208bf23_story.html)

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The last building block of the Obama administration’s strategy unveiled Wednesday to keep the northern spotted owl from extinction nearly doubles the amount of Northwest national forest land dedicated to protecting the bird by the Bush administration four years ago.
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: logger on November 24, 2012, 04:56:19 PM: This pisses me off to know end, what the hell? they absolutely ruined the timber industry, cost job after job, several people committed suicide and went off the deep end the first time they crammed this crap down the public throat, It was never ever about the damn owl, it was about all the leaf lickin bunny humpers using the owl as a scapegoat to end old growth logging which they did and yet the owl is still in deep decline and now the low life no good rotten *censored*s want to double it? wtf? come on people get real, As far as I am concerened they might as well close the every one the national forest fire every one of the forest service employees and turn the whole damn works into a preserve for every freakin snail and owl they can think of, It's already full of enviro freaks who thing every thing should be returned to natural pristine wilderness so fire the *censored*s and do just that. BIGGEST CROCK OF *censored* I EVER HEARD!!!!!
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: winshooter88 on November 24, 2012, 05:43:31 PM: This plan and closure won't help the spotted owl. According to what I've heard from wildlife biologists is that the Barred owl is much more of a problem for the spotted owl than the forest loss will ever be. The barred owl is moving into spotted owl territory and will interbreed with them, eventually making the spotted owl a thing of the past.

This is propably only the beginning of the things that this administration will do in the next four years the sportsman's groups are not going to like.
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: Axle on November 24, 2012, 06:14:10 PM: From the article:
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Even so, the spotted owl has seen a 40 percent decline during the past 25 years, Fish and Wildlife officials said

If this is true, it is probably because they taste so good :chuckle: :IBCOOL: :yike:
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: logger on November 24, 2012, 07:53:39 PM: Turn it all into a preserve no nothin at all, no leaf lickin bird watchers, no purist hikers no christmas tree cutting no hunting or fishing I mean nothing!!! Let the public chew on that for awhile and then we will see just how important this damn owl is. portland and seattle are fine with preserving everything as long as it don't affect their personal agenda. man this grates my ass, the national forest suck at big game anymore as it is, why make it worse?
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: Humptulips on November 24, 2012, 09:57:30 PM: To tell the truth I don't see a big change here. ONF is only doing a few thinning units and acording to the article they are going to allow some thinning in the Spotted Owl reserves.
I'd like to think otherwise but I doubt there will ever be another clearcut in ONF again.
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2012, 10:09:22 PM: Quote
I'd like to think otherwise but I doubt there will ever be another clearcut in ONF again.

I'd say that's probably a true statement. All we can hope for is some monstrous forest fires.
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: logger on November 25, 2012, 07:58:54 AM: I am all for fires, it will never get logged so let it burn, even though it's a huge waste of a revenue generating resource. I often point the blame at the f.s when it's not really them that is the problem atleast on this issue. The endangered specie act is the problem, we can create habitat for dinosours but they aint coming back no matter how much ground is set aside. For some of the older guy's on here I bet you can remember when there was managment on the forest that the deer and elk hunting was as good there as anywhere. The public wants to bitch about private and state cutting to much, but when they take thousands of acres off the market it puts pressure on the remaning avaliable timber to make up the difference, consumption hasn't went down, just whats avaliable. I think it will be a huge difference in what it is now to how it could go in the future, they already spend way more on a thinning then they ever make back and this will just make it so they don't do anything at all.
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: washelkhunter on November 25, 2012, 08:02:46 AM: Quote from: Axle on November 24, 2012, 06:14:10 PM
From the article:
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Even so, the spotted owl has seen a 40 percent decline during the past 25 years, Fish and Wildlife officials said

If this is true, it is probably because they taste so good :chuckle: :IBCOOL: :yike:

The decline is mostly attributable to the "bared owl" which is taking over spotted owl territory by killing them; and i assume eating them. This is a land grab pure and simple. the plan is i believe to create vast areas that will be off limits to humans to protect species and habitat.
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on November 25, 2012, 08:39:22 AM: IDJUTS!!!!
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: Alan K on November 25, 2012, 09:18:43 AM: :puke: :puke: :puke:
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: elksnout on November 25, 2012, 06:56:49 PM: Who gives a *censored* about an owl ? Spotted or otherwise? Flame me if you wish...I don't care. Whether you're a hiker, hunter, bird watcher or just a putz walking or driving through the forest, what's more interesting to watch? A herd of elk, a doe with newborn twin fawns or a fat bellied bear munching on berries or a small bird you would need a tree crane to watch? I've been in the woods for decades and I've seen one spotted owl. One! I'm not going to have any less enjoyment of the forest if I never see another. But deer, elk, bear and trout are my life style. So is hiking, back packing and camping. And logger I damn sure remember when the NF had some of the best hunting in the state. This past season in the Soiuxon for elk was the poorest I've seen it in our little area. And it will only get worse. C'mon Man! Manage the resource!
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: logger on November 25, 2012, 07:58:41 PM: Quote from: elksnout on November 25, 2012, 06:56:49 PM
Who gives a *censored* about an owl ? Spotted or otherwise? Flame me if you wish...I don't care. Whether you're a hiker, hunter, bird watcher or just a putz walking or driving through the forest, what's more interesting to watch? A herd of elk, a doe with newborn twin fawns or a fat bellied bear munching on berries or a small bird you would need a tree crane to watch? I've been in the woods for decades and I've seen one spotted owl. One! I'm not going to have any less enjoyment of the forest if I never see another. But deer, elk, bear and trout are my life style. So is hiking, back packing and camping. And logger I damn sure remember when the NF had some of the best hunting in the state. This past season in the Soiuxon for elk was the poorest I've seen it in our little area. And it will only get worse. C'mon Man! Manage the resource!
Elksnout I love your style, to me this is a BIG BIG deal and we need to have our forest working for the betterment of everybody and everything, we already have enough national parks.
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: Jingles on November 25, 2012, 08:08:24 PM: If this goes through you can count on most of the Methow area for the OWF to be closed
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: BAR C3 on November 25, 2012, 08:19:44 PM: Quote from: logger on November 25, 2012, 07:58:54 AM
I am all for fires, it will never get logged so let it burn, even though it's a huge waste of a revenue generating resource. I often point the blame at the f.s when it's not really them that is the problem at least on this issue. The endangered specie act is the problem, we can create habitat for dinosaurs but they aint coming back no matter how much ground is set aside. For some of the older guy's on here I bet you can remember when there was management on the forest that the deer and elk hunting was as good there as anywhere. The public wants to bitch about private and state cutting to much, but when they take thousands of acres off the market it puts pressure on the remaining available timber to make up the difference, consumption hasn't went down, just whats available. I think it will be a huge difference in what it is now to how it could go in the future, they already spend way more on a thinning then they ever make back and this will just make it so they don't do anything at all.
:yeah:
I'm with ya. Let it all burn! Starting with California (Hollywood Hills). If they want nature taking it's course, then we should stop putting the fires out. The Spotted Owl screwed my life and home town up. You fishermen may know Clallam Bay/Sekiu as well as Forks. Anyone that has worked in the woods knows that those *censored*s lived in second growth. Loggers just didn't have the big money to fight the tree hugging Libs. If you paid attention to the huge fires we had this past summer, most of it was beetle kill. Once again, libs prevented it being salvaged. It's only going to get worse. :tup:
Title: Re: New Spotted Owl Plan to Double NF Land Set Aside
Post by: logger on November 26, 2012, 06:14:14 PM: As an example of the wasted money 5 of them today in 5 different rigs that all came from the same office on my job today trying to decide how many straw bales to put in the ditch, after 2 hrs. of disscussion they came up with 3. :mor: