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Title: Big Blacktail, Updated info 12/8, Any Suggestions??? Please Help I Cannot Sleep!
Post by: Mr T on November 24, 2012, 06:09:59 PM: This guy crossed my trail camera last night. Never seen a blacktail of this size before. If I do see him while hunting I will probably mess my pants before and after flinging an arrow!
What are your thoughts on a score??? Suggested strategy?? How soon before first light should I be in and sitting?? Or will I even seen this Hog in the daylight?
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Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 24, 2012, 06:13:52 PM: HOG!!!

130+
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Post by: Huntbear on November 24, 2012, 06:14:07 PM: Holy Horn Porn....

I killed a masher about 20 years ago.. he just missed the book... your pictured one makes mine look like he was very malnourished... :yike:

As for Score?? Who cares.. would be a trophy of a lifetime when it comes to blacktails.
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Post by: fishngamereaper on November 24, 2012, 06:16:02 PM: 138- 142...
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Post by: smdave on November 24, 2012, 06:18:39 PM: Crap who cares shoot away
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Post by: Turner89 on November 24, 2012, 06:20:50 PM: WOW! he's a show off. I'm guessing 142---145. That thing is a real STUD
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Post by: Mr T on November 24, 2012, 06:21:08 PM: Score does not determine what I shoot at. Just cannot stop thinking about every aspect of this horny guy!
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Post by: bullchaser on November 24, 2012, 06:21:45 PM: Could go gross boone
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Post by: Mr T on November 24, 2012, 06:22:43 PM: Quote from: bullchaser on November 24, 2012, 06:21:45 PM
Could go gross boone

Bullchaser, what does that mean?
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Post by: bullchaser on November 24, 2012, 06:23:25 PM: Boone and crocket 135" minimum
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Post by: Wea300mag on November 24, 2012, 06:25:17 PM: 135-7/8 +/- 10" :tup:
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Post by: Bigshooter on November 24, 2012, 06:27:51 PM: 128 4/8
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Post by: shootnrun on November 24, 2012, 06:33:57 PM: A 5!! What a beautiful animal!! Good luck getting on him. No clue on score, but honestly, who cares!?!
:tup: :drool:
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Post by: Smith_22 on November 24, 2012, 06:44:16 PM: WOW!!! Good luck steadying your aim if he does step in front of you! That is a beast!
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Post by: browney5er on November 24, 2012, 06:53:32 PM: Get an arrow in him and get a tape on him. My guess is 125 to 135 gross. Great pictures, good luck and hope we see pictures of you holding his horns.
Title: Big Blacktail, help on the score
Post by: treestand on November 24, 2012, 06:55:28 PM: Sheesh! What a monster!
Title: Big Blacktail, help on the score
Post by: sirmissalot on November 24, 2012, 07:00:53 PM: I come up with about 127. Fairly conservative on my guesses so could go over 130
Title: Big Blacktail, help on the score
Post by: huntingbg on November 24, 2012, 07:19:46 PM: Yep he's still alive, because he likes to move at night. Good luck, hope you get him.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 24, 2012, 07:21:42 PM: 130-140 5x4 with eye gaurds! One of the best blacktails I have seen in a long time :drool:
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Post by: leighzerr on November 24, 2012, 07:38:36 PM: We may be neighbor's
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Post by: Mr T on November 24, 2012, 07:51:00 PM: Suggested strategy? How soon before daylight should I be in and sitting??
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 24, 2012, 08:00:23 PM: Id be there an hour before and be settled in.if you dont i can..... you dont want that little thing spreading his genes around your spot do you :chuckle:
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Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2012, 08:04:56 PM: Quote from: leighzerr on November 24, 2012, 07:38:36 PM
We may be neighbor's

Wow, that sure does look like the same buck. You guys need to get together and discuss strategies!
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Post by: mtn.goat on November 24, 2012, 08:29:40 PM: I could be missing it but I don't see the bonus (not for score, who cares) # 5 on the lefty side. I'd put him at 135ish'. Corker for sure.

Strategy, minimum half hour before all the way to half hour after dark....whatever it takes to stay warm and lucid for 10 hours+. I know a lot of experts say an hour morning and evening is enough but dandys like that will surprise you with a mid-day appearance when they've been up all night like your sweet photos confirm. Seen it more than once, for sure. Doesn't stand to reason but I wouldn't leave my blind/ stand for anything all day.
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Post by: Turner89 on November 24, 2012, 08:37:56 PM: Quote from: sirmissalot on November 24, 2012, 07:00:53 PM
I come up with about 127. Fairly conservative on my guesses so could go over 130
This BT scored 126-7/8........Mr.Ts' future buck blows it away IMO :twocents:
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Post by: Turner89 on November 24, 2012, 08:43:23 PM: Quote from: mtn.goat on November 24, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
I could be missing it but I don't see the bonus (not for score, who cares) # 5 on the lefty side. I'd put him at 135ish'. Corker for sure.

Strategy, minimum half hour before all the way to half hour after dark....whatever it takes to stay warm and lucid for 10 hours+. I know a lot of experts say an hour morning and evening is enough but dandys like that will surprise you with a mid-day appearance when they've been up all night like your sweet photos confirm. Seen it more than once, for sure. Doesn't stand to reason but I wouldn't leave my blind/ stand for anything all day.
:yeah: I would rather feel like I "over hunted" than "under hunted"
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 24, 2012, 08:59:35 PM: Stay all day like said....if its clear at night they will be chasing and feeding all night and bed down early morning...then about 11am-2pm they will get up to feed again..if they stay down that long...i watch one clear cut all day long and deer movement is best first 2 hrs in the morning, middle of the day and the last hr of light
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Post by: Mr T on November 24, 2012, 09:02:57 PM: Thank you. Have primarily hunted mule deer in the sagebrush, and now learning a new beast. Truly appreciate the advice.
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 24, 2012, 09:07:28 PM: Not a problem....i watched a big 2 pt today chase a doe all over at 2 pm today from 40yds and he didnt care i was there...it wouldnt hurt to put out some blacktail doe estruss too...lay a scent trail on your way in and make sure to use cover scent :tup: goodluck and cant wait for the pics
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 24, 2012, 09:34:00 PM: Those 2 are both mashers, but I do think they are the same unless I just cant see the 5th on the 2nd buck.
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Post by: Red Duckworth on November 24, 2012, 10:27:23 PM: Regardless of score that is a huge blacktail.
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Post by: gadwall on November 25, 2012, 07:52:47 AM: Quote from: Wea300mag on November 24, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
135-7/8 +/- 10" :tup:

I agree

Gotta be right in there somewhere.
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Post by: FLIZZ on November 25, 2012, 05:51:23 PM: You wouldn't happen to have your cam set up in Oregon or on the fringe of mule/blacktail GMU would you? Because if that's a legit western WA BT.......you sir have your work cut out. 140+
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 25, 2012, 05:54:58 PM: hey ,,if you need help I am available :dunno: :chuckle: Look at it this way , if someone does not kill him he could die of natural causes , get eatin by a cougar or poached ... 8) :dunno: ;) :bdid:
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Post by: trophyhunt on November 25, 2012, 06:35:45 PM: Quote from: gadwall on November 25, 2012, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Wea300mag on November 24, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
135-7/8 +/- 10" :tup:

I agree

Gotta be right in there somewhere.
I'm with you both on the score. Try dropping napalm on the entire area then look for the burnt antlers!!! I've been hunting my ass off for years looking for a buck like that (blacktail) and they are ghost. I do hope you fill your dream of killing a buck like that, they are ghosts in the darkness. Good luck.
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Post by: steeleywhopper on November 25, 2012, 06:41:00 PM: I will meet you in the morning and we will head out to hunt him. As you are crapping your pants I will shoot him, I will let you score him after the drying period.
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Post by: leighzerr on November 25, 2012, 07:09:51 PM: That fifth on the left I didn't see originally................so two different deer
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Post by: FLIZZ on November 27, 2012, 11:47:38 PM: Is it just me, or is that blue thing in the background of the picture above ^ the same thing that bucks eating apples off of in "Neighbors" picture? you guys must be close neighbors! :dunno:
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Post by: coachcw on November 28, 2012, 06:48:37 AM: looking at the end of the left main beam id say they are the same buck . my buddy Bob shoot a stud this year in his yard in mv so they are there for sure . Keep the apples comming and add some grains and beans to the mix that boy is gonna want to bulk up after seeing the ladys . I'd be sitting in the stand a couple hours before daylight on that stud . Have different stand on the fringe of his habitat and just because he looks to be a urban buck dont miss play the wind . Good luck thats a 140 class buck no doubt .
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Post by: jackmaster on November 28, 2012, 07:20:59 AM: those are 2 differant blackies and what studs they are, you both got some serious huntn ahead of ya.....my ass wouldnt even be able to sleep with those sniffn around the back yard... good luck fellas
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Post by: Hornseeker on November 28, 2012, 08:06:23 AM: Leigh... that buck is an amazing blacky! So is the other of course.
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Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 28, 2012, 01:01:52 PM: To the OP.. That's a stud BT!!! 140+ imo..... And I don't think those are the same bucks.... Look where the 5th extra come off...
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Post by: RadSav on November 28, 2012, 01:54:08 PM: I agree with those thinking 140+ gross. Think he will lose 6 to 8" in deductions on the net score. I have a 127+ hanging on the wall and this buck makes him look like a dwarf. That's one dang fine blacktail!
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Post by: big wood on November 28, 2012, 07:04:19 PM: 129 7/8 for sure in the book rifle or archery. I think archery is 90, but I could be wrong. good luck
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Post by: meathunter on November 28, 2012, 09:46:19 PM: Leighzerr, 145 6/8 gross 136 5/8 net. Not that it matters, beautiful buck.
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Post by: moocher97 on November 29, 2012, 07:39:28 AM: early mornings the only time youll see him
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Post by: Turner89 on November 29, 2012, 11:14:22 AM: Quote from: RadSav on November 28, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
I agree with those thinking 140+ gross. Think he will lose 6 to 8" in deductions on the net score. I have a 127+ hanging on the wall and this buck makes him look like a dwarf. That's one dang fine blacktail!
:yeah:
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Post by: MuleyJam on November 29, 2012, 05:04:22 PM: 130+ You need to be out early in the morning big bucks like that normally go nocturnal and you may only see him the first few minutes of light... If he's rutting hard and chasing does you may get a day time shot. I was dragging out my deer one year with my buddie and saw a monster blacktail on the edge of a clearcut during the rut, so they do occasionally come out during the day. Set the time up on your trail cam and see when he's moving you don't want to miss a chance on a AWESOME buck like that. :twocents: Good luck! :tup:
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Post by: higunner on November 29, 2012, 10:08:41 PM: 140
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Post by: Mr T on December 08, 2012, 06:38:39 PM: Here are a couple recent pics. Have not seen him while in the field or during the daylight on my camera :bash: Over the the last couple weeks all pics have him in the area before 3am. Re-positioning of trail camera has given me a pretty good idea which direction he typically comes from. Putting out a 2nd trail camera tomorrow to try and get more info on his whereabouts (Thank you stormin85). He has appeared twice around 6:15pm, which has given me more hope. I am losing too much sleep thinking about this monster :drool: I will have some consecutive days off before Christmas. Any suggestions???????
Title: Re: Big Blacktail, Any Suggestions?? Updated info 12/8
Post by: bobcat on December 08, 2012, 06:49:43 PM: Your camera is just on a trail, with not bait or scent? If so it could be that he's still in the area at other times, just doesn't happen to go by your camera. Try using some apples for bait, or maybe some doe in heat scent.
Title: Re: Big Blacktail, Any Suggestions?? Updated info 12/8
Post by: Mr T on December 08, 2012, 06:54:48 PM: There are apples by the trail camera. Had a trail camera in this location for a few weeks and it was not until I used apples that I had him on the camera. The apples continue to draw him to the trail camera. Have only been able to get out and dump apples on the weekends.
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on December 08, 2012, 07:18:40 PM: Maybe lay a scent trail with doe estruss down the evening before your going to spend the entire day there....i did that and it kept the buck i was after around in the daylight...made him mess up and keep looking for the doe

This is him
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi799.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy275%2Fdeerhunter_98520%2F4x4side.jpg&hash=39e92f2393cd997c26b7eff620d22352408a08bc)
Title: Re: Big Blacktail, Updated info 12/8, Any Suggestions??? Please Help I Cannot Sleep!
Post by: stormin85 on December 08, 2012, 10:43:47 PM: like i said when we were talking last week, because of the layout of his range, your best chance will come from long sits in a blind or tree stand, unfortunately pushing through the brush isn't going to work, its too thick and bringing someone to help a push could ruin it, long sits are going to be the trick, be in early, or potentially sit overnight, with my cam out there hopefully you can pinpoint his travel route and schedule, or at least an idea, and then every possible thing a deer eats goes out there, and cover the surrounding area with doe estrus.

i am working on a third cam for you, then hopefully you can spread them even further apart and get a good idea of what his range is, and hopefully his core to where he beds. then as the season gets close to end, you move closer and closer to his bedding area.

no matter what PLAY THE WIND, he's big because he's smart. hopefully he'll be dead because your smarter.

and remember WHEN you draw back to let the air out don't look at his rack, find a spot on his side and put your pin there, you can look at his rack once we drag it out.

also, even though there are a few other good looking BT's showing up, keep him in mind no matter how many shot opportunities they may offer, you let them walk.
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Post by: coastie hunter on December 09, 2012, 08:31:32 AM: unless that buck is chasing doe's you wont see him in the daylight. :bash: even when they are on a doe a buck like that wont move until it's dark sorry man there is still that 1% chace that he will screw up just enough to keep you out there.
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Post by: Kowsrule30 on December 09, 2012, 12:56:54 PM: Find the trail HE usues.. Probably a different one then a main trail the rest of the deer use... It won't be as easy to find but will connect into the main trail when he come into the bait... Then get farther away then you normally do.... Still hunt the wind as quietly as possible and try to find a pinch, ambush point that he will come to early enough for a shot if he's still coming in after dark... Which he will be...
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Post by: AOD on December 10, 2012, 11:04:42 AM: I would use all of the tricks in your aresenal on this guy. Try a 3d doe target, scent, and doe bleats. Let us know if you stick him!!!!
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Post by: highside74 on December 10, 2012, 01:13:29 PM: A buck like that won't be on a main trail for very long. You need to spend time 20-60 yards on the down wind side of the main trail area looking for his travel route. This will be where you kill him I bet. He will move along the down wind side of main trails scent checking. Keeping himself hidden until dark.