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Community => Butchering, Cooking, Recipes => Topic started by: Kc_Kracker on November 25, 2012, 11:04:32 PM
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Ok I have received many pm's asking me a ton of smoker questions since I posted my newest smoker project. yes its true, i have built well over 50 smokers in my day, I have learned what does and dont work, and best of all, learned how to make useful ones out of FREE JUNK because lets face it, Obama is still in the big house and we all aint rich no mo :chuckle:
So here is my coimmitment to you, I will share everything I know with the members of HW and start posting write ups. I will make this the budget build thread because, well the people not on a budget go out and buy a ez sqeezy Traeger. yes they are cool, but they have no character :tup: Who wants to waste time trying to make conversation showing off his Traeger is in his man-cave? Ok so lets get this started
And dont over think it, remember, all you ever need for any homemade type of smoker is:
some kind of enclosed box,
Heat with chips for heat and smoke,
meat rack
temp gauge
nothing else
THE OBAMA SMOKER
needed
-one cardboard box, any size you can get fo' free
-2 or more wooden dowels or sticks if you po' like me
-email Craigslisters with free fridges and beg for one or more of the steel racks, or use the one from your oven, DONT TELL THE WIFE!
-tin foil
-smoker chips
-get on craigslist and find a free coffee pot, steal the burner, and make sure its wired safe
PROCESS:
-line the whole bottom of the cardboard with foil, and up the side inside about 2-3" for fire prevention
-you can use a tin pan or make a tin foil bowl for the chips
-stab the dowels or sticks through the box to support the rack, 6" from the top of the box
-place rack on dowels
-cut flap in front for chips access
your goal if your new, 120-150 degrees. if its too cold toss a ratty old blanket or bigger box over the top
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or a taller extravagant version :chuckle:
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do not use on the deck, patio, indoors!! its fire in cardboard, duh!
now if you wanna get real fancy or dont have a burner plate you can make your own smoke generator with a tube (dryer tuber) coming off your BBQ into it for heat and or smoke both (found a pic to show)
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if thats not possible then super ghetto version will lack heat, it will be a TRUE cold smoker which is *censored* for cheese! for meat its not really hot enough.
take a full soup can, drain it out via 1" hole in the top.
fill it full of holes.
fill full of chips
stuff a soldering iron in the 1" hole
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Ill start the next one. if you have any requests just ask.
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http://smokecurepicklebrew.wordpress.com/2011/01/22/cold-smoke/ (http://smokecurepicklebrew.wordpress.com/2011/01/22/cold-smoke/) here is a website that will show you one way to use a free dishwasher, stove, fridge, anything enclosed. personally i prefer to NOT use anything with plastic walls inside. i have however stripped the plastic out for folks and still made them one out of them.
mini fridges make sweet cheese smokers because they are small, enclosed and make heat and smoke thick with a simple soldering iron smoke generator like i shown above :tup:
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WHITE TRASH SMOKER :chuckle:
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same principal but you only get one rack on top
heat / smoke source
enclosed can
lid
vent hole
racks
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For burners, Goodwill electric skillets for $3 work good, and hey, they have adjustable dials on the cords for heat :tup:
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I have done this style but i used a hot plate not propane. heat and smoke generated on the smaller unit, massive meat racks on the left, guy has been using it for about 5 years now :chuckle:
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or this style, fire below food above, simple fast and effective
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if you got a drum, welder, and want a budget smoker you can easily make a killer one :tup: http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/105203/1-66-vertical-drum-smoker (http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/105203/1-66-vertical-drum-smoker)
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GOT FIRE?
If you cannot keep your chips, sawdust, whatever lit, go to walmart and buy a $5 aquarium air pump, plumb it into the fire canister/soup can, itll stay lit :tup:
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or my favorite home brew smoker, canister for chips pellets or whatever, a soldering iron, and a aquarium air pump. i found a video to show you what that cheap ass stuff will make
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MGiBHMQWUiU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MGiBHMQWUiU#)!
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wire racks new, but can be had locally cheaper on craigslist
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3872.m570.l1313&_nkw=fridge+wire+racks&_sacat=0&_from=R40 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3872.m570.l1313&_nkw=fridge+wire+racks&_sacat=0&_from=R40)
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Here are some plans for another wood smoker it can be used with a hot plate or gas it costs a little more but looks great and does a great job
http://forums.mathewsinc.com/viewtopic.php?t=41686&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0 (http://forums.mathewsinc.com/viewtopic.php?t=41686&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0)
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Are you red neck enough? :chuckle: Cool low $$$ ideas
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Huey, that is the one I made from those very same plans. Man does it work perfect. It was really easy to put together as well. Kracker, great ideas and real easy on the pocket book. John
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very true guys, it doesn't have to be tongue & groove #1 cedar with gold trimmings to function :tup: I personally am not a propane fan smoking, they cost more money to build, run, use, and they tend to run too hot unless you vent them well.
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Tagged!
Seriously, I'm excited about this one! It's almost like Rube Goldberg had a distant redneck cousin.
A functional and cheap conversation starter with a delicious outcome. Oh my gosh the possibilities are endless.
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that doesnt mean i can only build ghetto budget smokers, wait til my newest one is done :tup: yes they are, and for me its just always been fun seeing just what I could make one out of, and when i found you can make a excellent working smoker out of a cardboard box, well all the deep wallet needs went out the window because anything is possible, its alot of fun seeing just what will work and if you liked making cool stuff in science class there is no end to the kind of heat & smoke generators you can make :IBCOOL:
if someone here wants a smoker pm me, tell me what kind of craptastic contraption you got or wanna make one out of and ill build it for you or help you, being a contractor i seriously need stuff to do in the winter :bash:
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Since Mitt Romney wanted to cleanse the US, we will call this one the... you got it
The Mitt Romney Smoker :chuckle:
one old free dishwasher, ya theres a million on craigslist
* * you can use the dryer burner for chips cooking on a cookie sheet :tup: :tup: :tup: or install hot plate, burner, or electric skillet all can be had for free
the racks can even be used for food, hanging, etc
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the neat part is the lower unit pops out and you have a nice 8" round circle for a burner, smoke box etc
give it a vent and blam. i have done this for someone and converted the original front dial to the on off switch :tup:
and of course, if yo7u wanna be all white trash craptasticly cool
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:chuckle: :chuckle:
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plywood box, and something you can burn chips in with a dryer tube, again always works well just not as much heat so requires patience, but again superb for cheese :tup:
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tagged
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this is really cool, thank you for posting!
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another budget cold smoker
1-2 soldering irons, only 1 is needed
plastic tote bin and some sort of grate/rack
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another budget cold smoker
1-2 soldering irons, only 1 is needed
plastic tote bin and some sort of grate/rack
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I bet rubbermaid flavor tastes good! :lol4:
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its a cold smoker, there will be no flavor from the rubber, but funny :chuckle:
here is another great box smoker i found to show
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I have to tag this too :tup:
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http://smokedaddyinc.com/ (http://smokedaddyinc.com/)
I put one of these smokedaddy's on my traeger for cold smoking. Last time I looked at this website they had a guy cold smoking cheese with one of these in a garbage can. Reminded me of some of your sweet set ups KC.
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yes smoke daddy makes an awesome product,
just watch out some of the cool ones out there require "their" pucks or fuel be bought from them because it only accepts theirs ion a special tube or canister so nothing else will fit in it.
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this is why you dont use a smoker for cheese, use a cold smoker :chuckle:
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should have had some chips & jalopenios under it
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looks like chedder, nasty lumpy oily chedder :bdid:
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so guys n gals, who have i inspired? whos started building one? I love seeing someone who dont have one and cant afford a store bought one just make one :tup:
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well i might be combining a couple. my lil-chief racks went into my brinks(old f-inlaws). only prob is heat control. tried it on a wild turk & went to far. need heat control & temp sensors.
will be watching for more tips. Keep em comming.
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ok lets see some pics of what ya got. is it too hot or cold? if its too hot, then just crack a lid/door or drill holes. if its too cold then get a box over it, blanket, or something. pics man pics :yeah:
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gotta love redneck ingenuity!!
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Tagged, just had a friend ask me how to build one of these tonight.
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gotta love redneck ingenuity!!
The mother of true invention
Great!!! post Kc an pics
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so guys n gals, who have i inspired? whos started building one? I love seeing someone who dont have one and cant afford a store bought one just make one :tup:
Me! My son and I have wanted to build a smoker for some time. Got the back deck built and was thinking of building a smoker.
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Tagged, just had a friend ask me how to build one of these tonight.
he just needs to make a plan. whats he going to smoke?
1-does he want to smoke cheese, fish, poultry, everything, etc.
2-chips, fire, pellets, pucks, full on smoke house, etc
3-size determined by #1 and how much he wants to be able to do at once (pinks are comin in 4 months, i can hear the low roar now!!, ill be smokin 20 at a time sucka's!)
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free smoker prospect ya'll ! a burner and 4 smoke racks, all you need is a dryer hose and a burner :tup: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/3437350948.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/3437350948.html)
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http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/app/3434752655.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/app/3434752655.html) another good prospect :tup:
cold smoker? http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/zip/3436156064.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/zip/3436156064.html)
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sweet jesus the smoker that could be made with this box :tup: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/app/3411789792.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/app/3411789792.html)
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external smoke house? man cave? o man the possabilities http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=post;topic=110996.30;last_msg=1458339 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=post;topic=110996.30;last_msg=1458339)
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This is the one I built last year -not cheap ,but I like it ....... should last for several years
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ya definitely not a budget smoker :chuckle:
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free smoker racks for someone in need are very hard to come by, if your in need better hurry these would be a smokin find http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/3439072151.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/3439072151.html)
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http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/3442351463.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/3442351463.html) more free racks, get em while they are hot boys these are hard to come by for project smokers :tup: hell just a cheap oven racks new is $35
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free half made smokehouse, or at least all the materials for free ! http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/zip/3442141725.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/zip/3442141725.html)
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Kracker......I'm planning on puting together one of the cardboard box cold smokers this weekend to do some cheese. My question....what wood to you prefer to use? And how long do you usually smoke your cheese for?
I'm new to the smoking game, but damn all of your threads have me amped to try some things out!
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its very easy. for a cardboard box smoker the best bet is a cookie pan for safety with a elcheapo (dollar store even) soldering iron in a soup can full of chips, you want to not be hot and break down the cheese or melt it so thats what i prefer for cheese, plus if it gets nasty no cleaning, just toss it, its a box :IBCOOL:
wood, thats all up to you for flavor, i like hickory and apple/alder on cheese. smaller pieces smoke better and take more flavor, huge blocks just dont get flavor well.
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:tup: Thanks Kracker!!! I'll let you know how it goes!
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ya with cheese near anything will work, all you need is lots of smoke & low to no heat. just make sure the smoke generator whatever you use in in a pan so theres not a fire :tup:
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Will do, thanks again for the advice! This thread is AWESOME!!!!
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I've got an old stainless steel ice machine I'm working on converting.... tagging this and I'll work to post a picture soon KC. Thanks!
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OOohhhhh stainless 8) so your set, all you need is heat & smoke source, a racks and its rollin smoke
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OOOoooohhhh smoker eye candy 3 different burners in one :yike:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_15490_15490 (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_15490_15490)
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dig these burners http://gassmoker.com/index.htm (http://gassmoker.com/index.htm)
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http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/fuo/3422525220.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/fuo/3422525220.html) military locker $5
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/atq/3446612922.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/atq/3446612922.html) big gym locker $10 great option!
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/for/3411824182.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/for/3411824182.html) big wide locker, offer them $30 great option! man i like this one
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/3434316774.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/3434316774.html) huge steel locker, kinda pricey work em down :tup:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/bfd/3408032844.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/bfd/3408032844.html)
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A little over a year ago, we went down to Mexico to visit my wife's family. I wanted to make a brisket for dinner one night so I used an old gas oven that quit working a week before we got there. I made a smoker out of it by cutting some small holes in the bottom of the oven an had the fire in the drawer below. It was awsome.
We are heading back down in a couple weeks and I plan on building a permanent smoker. Thanks for the ideas Kc.
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You have inspired me!! I have 2 55 gallon drums just sitting under my carport, and a welder that has not seen much use sinse I got it.
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drums are great and cheap :tup: the 3 best options for them i have seen
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abnd the double barrel :tup: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Do you know what the difference between a propane smoker burner like the Northern tool one you showed KC and a Natural gas one would be? I kow i needed different regulators and jets for my BBQ, but would i just need a different regulator for one like that? Anyone?
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yes, done many,always call the manufacturer of EVERY burner and buy their LP conversion valve, every burner requires a different part, they will almost always have one. if they dont buy a different burner, and yes NG is nice and cheaper and convenient :tup:
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Those are awsome smokers kc. :tup:
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not all are ones i built some are, just giving people ideas and options, a GREAT smoker doesnt have t be a $500 investment :bash:
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Hey kracker what do you think about using an old wood gun cabinet for a smoker?
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What do you think are the most important attributes for a smoker? We are lookin gat making a BIG one for our archery club Silver Arrow Bowman... We were kinda thinking 4'x4'x8' tall I have some industrial refer panels Steel with expanded foam and 2x4 inside the steel and a walk in Freezer door. I was kinda thinking a wood fired one with a seperate smoker box and a place to hang LOTS of meat... What are your thoughts KC?
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im for any smoker, just always take into account 2 things
what will you be smoking?
heat range needed versus construction
if its something like poultry where you need high heat then you dont want wood enclosure DOWN LOW because they require high heat and youll have a fire, same answer for using propane of wood fired unless its on a cement firebox :tup:
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What do you think are the most important attributes for a smoker? We are lookin gat making a BIG one for our archery club Silver Arrow Bowman... We were kinda thinking 4'x4'x8' tall I have some industrial refer panels Steel with expanded foam and 2x4 inside the steel and a walk in Freezer door. I was kinda thinking a wood fired one with a seperate smoker box and a place to hang LOTS of meat... What are your thoughts KC?
same answer as above, sounds good just dont have any plastic or foam inside the heat / fire box , or foam in the smoke box, anywhere, it will melt and make toxic fumes at a low heat
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for those asking where it went... :tup:
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Thanks Kracker...was actually looking for it the other day!
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Recommend avoiding galvanized containers (such as some garbage cans) for the hot box.
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I've also seen to avoid metal refrigerator shelves as they are (or were) made of cadmium
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One interesting one I've seen was one built by Alton Brown on Good Eats. It's basically built out of two clay pots. Simple google search for "good eats smoker" gives plenty of results.
I built a big wood one a couple years back (never use it). Trying to find pics of it...
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I've also seen to avoid metal refrigerator shelves as they are (or were) made of cadmium
yes true the old fridge wire racks had cadmium coating. its not a concern smoking but if you use it for a fire grill or a really hot UDS then it is, good point xd! thats why for hot smokers i use ones from a oven
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Hey kracker what do you think about using an old wood gun cabinet for a smoker?
if its got a varnish/polyurethane finish inside i wouldnt use it
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Kc,
Someone just donated a nice propane smoker to me. I have been reading up on smoking salmon. Do you use a wet or dry brine? What temp and how long do you smoke yours for. Thanks
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I wet brine mine :twocents:
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its all personaly taste. i do wet brines, every time i do a dry brine it get dry food. im not big on dry salt brines it takes some work to get it down and alotta lost food :twocents: :twocents:
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Kc,
Someone just donated a nice propane smoker to me. I have been reading up on smoking salmon. Do you use a wet or dry brine? What temp and how long do you smoke yours for. Thanks
For fish a great deal of the process is drying so dry brine is preferred. For ribs dry brine again a good choice due to a relative short smoke period and not wanting the falll off the bone syndrome. The larger cuts such as beef brisket and pork butt it is hard to beat a wet brine to include a complete foil wrap with juice towards the end of the smoke to re-hydrate. Not my :twocents: simply the way it is generally.
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Thanks guys I will let you know how it turns out.
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Kc,
Someone just donated a nice propane smoker to me. I have been reading up on smoking salmon. Do you use a wet or dry brine? What temp and how long do you smoke yours for. Thanks
For fish a great deal of the process is drying so dry brine is preferred.
I agree completely. Wet brines for salmon and jerky both suck, due to the fact you have to dry it before smoking.
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so guys n gals, who have i inspired? whos started building one? I love seeing someone who dont have one and cant afford a store bought one just make one :tup:
KC, I just built a UDS based on some of the recipes and smokers you have talked about on here. I'll add some pics of it when I get home tonight! Next project will be a cold smoker for cheese and maybe some eggs...
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Wet brines for salmon and jerky both suck,
then you been taught wrong brother, most smoked salmon is wet brined, everyone i know personally pretty much wet brines, and that list is longer then people you know or facebook all together :chuckle:
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so guys n gals, who have i inspired? whos started building one? I love seeing someone who dont have one and cant afford a store bought one just make one :tup:
KC, I just built a UDS based on some of the recipes and smokers you have talked about on here. I'll add some pics of it when I get home tonight! Next project will be a cold smoker for cheese and maybe some eggs...
nice, lets see! :tup:
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Wet brines for salmon and jerky both suck,
then you been taught wrong brother, most smoked salmon is wet brined, everyone i know personally pretty much wet brines, and that list is longer then people you know or facebook all together :chuckle:
Just speaking from personal experience Krack. See thats the difference between you and I, I speak from experience of my own. I've been doing it long enough, and smoked enough salmon to know I peronally like a dry brine better for both salmon, and jerky. Creates a much nicer cured look, IMO, and takes less time to dry before going in the smoker.
Whats comparing the number people who you learn from to the people I know have to do with anything anyways? You must know a lot of people, Facebook has ALOT of users :chuckle:
Come late summer, you and I can have a little smoked salmon cookoff :tup: I'm sure your wetbrined pink salmon is pretty tough to beat! :chuckle:
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Indicating a guy would smoke a pink is a low blow... :chuckle: Love it.
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Didn't mean it as a low blow, I just know he's talked about how they smoke up good. Sooo my ocean fresh chinook collar and belly meat will have the advantage from the get go!
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Alright salmon is in the brine. Going with a wet brine this go around. Cant wait!!!!! I will let you know when its done. :drool:
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Indicating a guy would smoke a pink is a low blow... :chuckle: Love it.
no, actually whats lower is to add me of facebook, just to tell me since my facebook isnt full of smoking pics that I am "full of it" and "not believable". i surely wasnt expecting a list of insults but whatever, i guess whatever turns your crank because i need to prove nothing to nobody here i just share what i know and try to help folks, if it hurts someones male libido then not my problem. hes right i dont post anything on my facebook ever for smoking or grilling, ever, just ask huntnbear, dogtuk or Koiti :chuckle: I guess sometimes you cannot make someone unhate you no matter what you do to be friendly to them. o well i tried to be friendly. :dunno:
and chad, actually i said i will ONLY smoke pinks if they are from the salt, that was pretty much the extent of my comment on pinks for smoking..
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Rob, like I said it was just small talk. I simply asked where all your smoking and grilling pics were and you got all bent out of shape and deleted me. Again, wasn't meant to be an insult...
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I felt no need to name names and out anyone but since you feel this is the place, fine ill reply, how is telling another grown man hes "full of it" and "not believable", small talk? :dunno: would that not insult you if someone adds you to basically call you a fraud or liar? how the hell else should i have taken those comments :bash:
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I felt no need to name names and out anyone but since you feel this is the place, fine ill reply, how is telling another grown man hes "full of it" and "not believable", small talk? :dunno: would that not insult you if someone adds you to basically call you a fraud or liar? how the hell else should i have taken those comments :bash:
We've already went over this and I apologized for you taking it the wrong way. I was teasing you... I thought you could take a joke, you seem to joke and kid around alot on here. I'm not going to get into an argument with you on an open forum. This is all stuff you've already said to me and now you're reposting it on here to call me out, that's fine, I tried to make my peace. Like I said, sorry you took what I said offensively.
Btw, I'm ready for that cookoff when you are! I'm up your way quite often, can easily fit it into a bear hunting weekend.
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It sounds like both of you guys understand each other.
A handshake and a couple friendly beers are in order.
Many of us especially me know how impressions get misrepresented real quick on a forum, sometimes easy to forget that.
Back to Smokers.....
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Ok, The salmon just came out of the smoker. Really good, infact the best I have ever made. :chuckle: Came out of the brine, rinsed very well. Let it dry on the rack for 24 hours. It got nice and tacky. Smoked at 150 for six hours and kicked up the heat a little the last hour. Internal temp went to 160 and pulled it out. The only problem was I should have done a few more fillets. It isn't going to last long. Again the first time for salmon and will be making it a bunch more.
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next time shoot for no more then 130 max, after 130 your cooking. i personally try to stay around 100-115, for about 8 hrs, i bet its gooood :tup:
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next time shoot for no more then 130 max, after 130 your cooking. i personally try to stay around 100-115, for about 8 hrs, i bet its gooood :tup:
:yeah: kracker gots it dialed,anything over 130 usually turns out split with fat oozing out.I also shoot for 115 as well.I've seen the comments on it taking so long to skin over,I speed the process up by A) laying the fish out on old white towels,skin down of course B) pat/dab excess moisture from flesh with paper towel and then turn an ocilating fan on it for about 2 hours,it really doesn't take that long for it to skin over either when done that way.Just a tip to help speed er up some.
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:chuckle: :chuckle: i just spent an hour on the phone with Koiti telling him just the paper towel dry, i hoard cardboard and news paper for that purpose :tup: the fat coming out means nothing, but yes keeping it in is a lil better.
good stuff :tup:
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great ideas kracker and thanks for sharing. i'll try and get pics but i got a free natural gas cook oven that i had a guy convert to propane. I ripped it apart for the burner so next is finding a free freezer. awesome!!
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Actually Kracker the splits and oozing fat is a visual turnoff when you got 200 pounds designated for a catered wedding reception,it gotta look good.I learned the art of fish smoking from my old man and he learned from the indians in alaska.But for home use your right the splits and fat isn't that big of a deal.
:chuckle: :chuckle: i just spent an hour on the phone with Koiti telling him just the paper towel dry, i hoard cardboard and news paper for that purpose :tup: the fat coming out means nothing, but yes keeping it in is a lil better.
good stuff :tup:
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just finished filleting S.H. that is going into the brine. I can't wait.
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sh?
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Steelhead
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yep. Some one had an extra and I got lucky
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Kc_Kracker, Thanks for all the info, it is a joy to read about the smoking and brining etc. (and I hardly do any of it), although :tup:I did buy a big chief a couple years ago( I sense some snickering out there) and have smoked several dozen lake trout. I must be easy because I thought they were delicious! The improvised smokers are fun to see also, I do do a bit of fabricating and tinkering so any time I see creative and frugal devices its food for thought. Thanks again for the input and expertise, your enjoyment of the art of smoking and brining comes through loud and clear.
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don't give up on the big Indian. Most of us started with one and I still have a couple kicking around that I take camping ect. Some of my best stuff has come off of them..well. maybe not, but when it's your first smoker, everything taste great. Enjoy!
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don't give up on the big Indian. Most of us started with one and I still have a couple kicking around that I take camping ect. Some of my best stuff has come off of them..well. maybe not, but when it's your first smoker, everything taste great. Enjoy!
:tup: yep i started with a little chief, lasted me 15 years lol
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tagged...I love it
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Kc, when smoking sausage should i use stainless steel rods to hang the meat from or will regular steel rods work. Thanks
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u can use anything it dont matter :dunno:
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KC, finished up my last batch of fish. I was able to smoke at 130 and the results were very good. Great color and flavor. There was no oil on top. Thank you for the input
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if your around port orchard heres a great tall wide donar, this buggers are GREAT for fish due to the shape :tup: http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/zip/3702968957.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/zip/3702968957.html)
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Hey Kracker, I just stumbled across this thread, and I am intrigued. I've done some smoking in the past, mostly in a Little Chief. Wanted to try my hand at something a little larger. Anyway, you have posted several Craigslist links, which have expired. So what are you looking for in 'donars'? Thanks for your help.
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im not looking for one, i post a link if i see a great freebie someone could use to make a smoker :tup:
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Yes, exactly. Can you describe what you are looking for in a potential smoker project?
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i would suggest reading all the posts in this thread. it really depends on what you plan to smoke because that determines your heat source needed, which determines the material it should be made of.
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My UDS, getting charcoal started to smoke some drumsticks. I'm into the smoker $54 including the barrel. :tup: I use a piece of plywood, cut round, for the lid. Also, to cover up the holes in the bottom, I use refrigerator magnets panted white. You can see one on the bottom right of the barrel next to the hole. They work great, and are super convenient!
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1117.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk596%2Fphishstiq%2FIMG_20130326_155538_613_zps00332722.jpg&hash=f9d8db50ffc2d49735777643afbb6054c42434aa)
Also, FWIW, I made a discovery. If you don't have time for a proper rub (that sounds dirty...), Shake N' Bake works pretty dang good! Regular ol' Shake N' Bake in a ziplock, coat all your drumsticks, then smoke 'em at 230ish degrees for about 90 minutes (or until internal temp reaches 160 degrees). If you have a little Cayenne to add that would help, but the chicken turns out great without it too. I made 24 drumsticks this way, 4 people ate, and there was only 3 drumsticks left when everyone was done!
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That looks like my first smoker except I propane fired it at the bottom.
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That looks like my first smoker except I propane fired it at the bottom.
Mmmmm UDS smoked poultry, works so awesome dont it :tup:
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I.......want.......this......
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn75%2Fulikabbq%2FJackDanielsSmoker.jpg&hash=3659472f44e85eff3204da1e5db30ccce3391f64)
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Budget smoker for sale...
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bfs/3720311357.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bfs/3720311357.html)
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Tagged for later. Anyone use the black barrel style with side smoker from home depot and lowes? I have a few buddies who swear by them, but end up buying a new one every 3-5 years.
My birthday is next week, and in the process of buying the house. not sure if i should let her buy me one of those, or something else and build myself a smoker.
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just build yourself a double barrel smoker / grilling machine. use propane tanks and it will be thick enough to last forever.
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Propane tanks for the body of it? Do tell..
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google it, youll see tons of ideas
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I need some round 16" - 22"grill grates if anyone has some old ones they can give away. It's all I'm missing to complete the smoker
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KC, have you any pictures of old converted fridges or freezers?
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double j, racks can be hard to come by, its cheapest to just make your own.
pianoman- google :tup:
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Here you go Piano Man. Scored this old beauty from my neighbor when it finally crapped out.
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Awesome. Thanks.
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Just one tip if you score an old one with an enamel coated steel inside. Have a lot of spare drill bits and saw blades. I don't know WTH the steel was or if it was the enamel coating but that thing just ate sawzall and jig saw blades. I think I went through $50 worth of saw blades alone.
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why on earth remove a nice enamel coated box :sry:
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double j, racks can be hard to come by, its cheapest to just make your own.
Any tips?
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buy some cheap steel grate and cut it up :tup:
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buy some cheap steel grate and cut it up :tup:
Bolt cutters are your friends!
I tried this with both expanded steel and cattle grating. Grinders, wire cutters, all those tools are nonsense. A good pair of bolt cutters will be the fastest, easiest, and yield the best results.
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unless you happen to have a plasma cutter layin there, them BOOM SHAKKA LAKKA! :rockin:
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Any sort of market for budget smokers?
I have one a buddy and I built a couple years ago. Doesn't get used nearly enough so thinking of parting with.
It's a little under 2'x4'. Has dryer hose for connecting to fire box. Also has a vent on top with a flap that can be adjusted (somewhat).
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88788270/smoker1.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88788270/smoker2.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88788270/smoker.jpg)
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now really, might be able to get 25-50 for a plywood box on CL, but plywood cold smokers are a personal thing not worth much. why not keep it?
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Just takes up space and doesn't get used a whole lot. Need to make room for the hydroponics setup ;) :chuckle:
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you mean AQUAponics? oh heck ya get the stuff and ill come help you slap that bizzoch together :IBCOOL: i might even bring some of my BBQ sauce :tup:
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you mean AQUAponics? oh heck ya get the stuff and ill come help you slap that bizzoch together :IBCOOL: i might even bring some of my BBQ sauce :tup:
Oops, yeah..AQUA :)
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Thought I would post this up for you guys http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/zip/3820228731.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/zip/3820228731.html)
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VERY COOL RUSS
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I just found it today on CL. Thought someone might be interested.
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i am throwing that back up, i get so many pm's looking for it maybe it should be stickied? :dunno:
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*tag* 8)
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I've also seen to avoid metal refrigerator shelves as they are (or were) made of cadmium
I remember news articles on this too. The ones they are talking about are the ones that look like they're stamped from aluminum. The ones that are made from plated steel rods are supposed to be okay. When we built our smoker about 20 years ago we went down to Simon junk in Tacoma and asked about some racks and the guy said to come back in a couple of days and he'd have some. He had built a few smokers himself and was really into it so was really helpful. He showed us some of the racks you're not supposed to use and said they were mainly used in older refrigerators and freezers. Ended up with twice what we needed for their scrap sell price (they have one price for buying and another for selling). I don't remember exactly what we paid since we got some other stuff (like angle iron for the racks to sit on) but it was less than we thought it would be.
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I made one out of our old range oven.striped all the wireing ,insulation,elements,evrything but the oven door.Then drilled alot of holes in the bottom of the oven with 1/2 in drill bit .Then dug a hole about two or three feet deep.Then put cinder blocks around the hole.Then lined the hole with rocks and old fire bricks from my wood stove that cracked.Put the stove up on the cinder blocks try to get it as high above the fire.I light a fire under it wait till it goes to coals then i add smoker wood that i get from the woods.This way only really works good in the winter cause in warmer temps your smoker will get to hot to quick.The brine i use the most teryaki soy sause+sugar+a little salt but more sugar and soy than anything to make a carmel looking sause its really good.I will try to add a pic of the setup in the next few days.
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Im pretty sure I never saw this thread before... not sure how, but the first few pages of pics are toooo awesome!
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ya lots of good info here.
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tag, building an old freezer smoker now. great thread
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i am throwing that back up, i get so many pm's looking for it maybe it should be stickied? :dunno:
again another request, the pm's looking for it or the info in it are crazy, for the love of almighty Jesus please sticky this :bash: