Post by: kevinp16 on November 26, 2012, 08:22:58 AM
Post by: CP on November 26, 2012, 08:37:49 AM
In any event it wasn’t me, I gave up on that soggy “Island” (swamp is a better description) weeks ago. I may hunt ducks out there now that the pheasant release is over.
Hopefully no one was hurt.
Post by: BK Dave on November 26, 2012, 08:40:39 AM
Post by: kevinp16 on November 26, 2012, 08:50:37 AM
Post by: CP on November 26, 2012, 08:53:36 AM
I just dont understand the hunters that will sit and wait 30 yards from our set up with their dogs barking for 8:00 to come around and dont think it will interrupt our hunt??
Post by: bush_beater on November 26, 2012, 09:08:32 AM
I quit hunting those *censored* ponds and spencer island Years ago! Used to be a little know secret, but then there are those who feel the need to spread every little place on line!!!
:yeah:
Hey cp, nice photo....still doesnt justify doin the dick cheney to someone! if you got a problem, call the gamey, its THEIR job to enforce laws
it seems like a lot of the w.w. pheasant hunters show no consideration to waterfowlers!
Post by: brokenvet on November 26, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
Post by: BK Dave on November 26, 2012, 09:12:41 AM
Sorry that you got shot but you should not be out there before 8:00amlol. Same at Stillwater :-p
I just dont understand the hunters that will sit and wait 30 yards from our set up with their dogs barking for 8:00 to come around and dont think it will interrupt our hunt??
Post by: CP on November 26, 2012, 09:17:44 AM
I quit hunting those *censored* ponds and spencer island Years ago! Used to be a little know secret, but then there are those who feel the need to spread every little place on line!!!
:yeah:
Hey cp, nice photo....still doesnt justify doin the dick cheney to someone! if you got a problem, call the gamey, its THEIR job to enforce laws
it seems like a lot of the w.w. pheasant hunters show no consideration to waterfowlers!
I agree. A lot of pheasant hunters have no respect for pheasant hunters, and water fowlers that have no respect for other water fowlers, and water fowlers that have no respect for pheasant hunters. No one should get shot. Call it in.
Post by: bobcat on November 26, 2012, 09:19:01 AM
Post by: 400out on November 26, 2012, 09:21:44 AM
It's a pheasant release site. You can't be out there duck hunting before 8:00. If you are, then you have no right to complain about pheasant hunters interfering with your hunt.:dunno:
Yesterday morning at Ebey Island. You know who you are!!! You knew that we were there duck hunting but you shot twice anyways and sprayed us while picking up our decoys. Show some respect for other hunters on public land!!! We have the same right as you do to be out there.
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 26, 2012, 09:36:39 AM
If there are no pellets stuck in flesh it's not a Dick Cheney thing, it's like getting hailed on.
Those fields are already crowded, never understood the guys that are in such a hurry to jump the 8:00 whistle and get out in front of everyone. A couple pheasants or ducks are not worth standing in the front of the line.
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 09:44:04 AM
Yesterday morning at Ebey Island. You know who you are!!! You knew that we were there duck hunting but you shot twice anyways and sprayed us while picking up our decoys. Show some respect for other hunters on public land!!! We have the same right as you do to be out there.
Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah!
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
Yesterday morning at Ebey Island. You know who you are!!! You knew that we were there duck hunting but you shot twice anyways and sprayed us while picking up our decoys. Show some respect for other hunters on public land!!! We have the same right as you do to be out there.
.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah!! HA
Post by: CP on November 26, 2012, 09:55:29 AM
1. Getting shot. Not good. But gravity rain happens. Anyone that has hunted awhile has been rained on. I’ve even been rained on by my shot. Straight on, high energy “Dick Cheney” events should not happen, no one should argue that is in anyway justified or excused.
2. Waiting 30 yards away for 8:00am to roll around. Those waiting for 8:00am are obeying the law; those in the field with decoys out are breaking the law.
3. Hunters walking in and around his setup.
You’re in a pheasant release site, what do you expect? Pheasant hunters are going to be around you, they are going to be making noise and they are wearing orange. Do you really expect a quality water fowl hunt in a pheasant release site?
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 10:14:45 AM
The OP brings up several issues::yeah:
1. Getting shot. Not good. But gravity rain happens. Anyone that has hunted awhile has been rained on. I’ve even been rained on by my shot. Straight on, high energy “Dick Cheney” events should not happen, no one should argue that is in anyway justified or excused.
2. Waiting 30 yards away for 8:00am to roll around. Those waiting for 8:00am are obeying the law; those in the field with decoys out are breaking the law.
3. Hunters walking in and around his setup.
You’re in a pheasant release site, what do you expect? Pheasant hunters are going to be around you, they are going to be making noise and they are wearing orange. Do you really expect a quality water fowl hunt in a pheasant release site?
there are many other places to hunt ducks besides on a release site.
if you expect a nice peaceful duck hunting day with no one walking around wearing blaze in front of your spread, flaring ducks between 8:00 and 4:00 chances are its not going to happen at a release site during pheasant season. anyone with an ounce of common sense could determine that this is a complete waste of time, effort, and resources better used somewhere else... yet the duck hunters still come.
pheasant season is almost over. soon the fields will go back to the responsible duck hunters and idiot duck hunters alike and they can bitch about how crappy they are to each other on the waterfowl forum.
Post by: bush_beater on November 26, 2012, 10:17:01 AM
Yesterday morning at Ebey Island. You know who you are!!! You knew that we were there duck hunting but you shot twice anyways and sprayed us while picking up our decoys. Show some respect for other hunters on public land!!! We have the same right as you do to be out there.
Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah!
.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah!! HA
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: CedarPants on November 26, 2012, 10:26:40 AM
pheasant season is almost over. soon the fields will go back to the responsible duck hunters and idiot duck hunters alike and they can bitch about how crappy they are to each other on the waterfowl forum.
But until then I do think the upland forum is the appropriate place to complain about being shot by a pheasant hunter.
Should he have been there before 8am? Doesn't sound like it. Should he have expected a quality waterfowl hunt at a pheasant release site? Probably not (although I do find fairly decent waterfowling at a pheasant release site over here on the east side).
Does that make it ok for someone to not follow the most basic common sense rule of knowing what lies beyond your target before you shoot and wind up shooting someone? Hell no.
Laughing at this situation shows a complete lack of respect for your fellow hunter as well as a complete lack of respect of common sense safety
Post by: dscubame on November 26, 2012, 10:30:30 AM
A guy cannot say a damn thing on this forum anymore it seems! I will continue to look at it as a sick insight to human nature I guess. A church group is no better I know things won't change but for heavens sake it is interesting.
To be clear I am not talking about you Cedar.
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
pheasant season is almost over. soon the fields will go back to the responsible duck hunters and idiot duck hunters alike and they can bitch about how crappy they are to each other on the waterfowl forum.
But until then I do think the upland forum is the appropriate place to complain about being shot by a pheasant hunter.
Should he have been there before 8am? Doesn't sound like it. Should he have expected a quality waterfowl hunt at a pheasant release site? Probably not (although I do find fairly decent waterfowling at a pheasant release site over here on the east side).
Does that make it ok for someone to not follow the most basic common sense rule of knowing what lies beyond your target before you shoot and wind up shooting someone? Hell no.
Laughing at this situation shows a complete lack of respect for your fellow hunter as well as a complete lack of respect of common sense safety
your splitting hairs about my forum comment. I never said this post didn't belong on here.
whats your point about 8:00? and that you find decent hunting at a release site? you can have a good day of duck shooting there, you just have to put up with the pheasant hunters to do so. the pheasant hunters are supposed to be there, duck hunters can go where ever they like.
he got his panties in a twist because he had pellets rain on him. thats funny to me. as a pheasant hunter I have lost count of the amount shot rained down on me by duck hunters and by pheasant hunters. I don't take it personal, I don't get angry at the hunters or gravity.
if it were a dick cheney incident he shouldn't be on here looking for sympathy, he should be filing a police report. but as far as I know he never made the distinction, maybe before he edited his original post.
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 10:38:05 AM
Do some of you guys ever look back on the crap that you spew on some of these threads???? lol lol.
A guy cannot say a damn thing on this forum anymore it seems! I will continue to look at it as a sick insight to human nature I guess. A church group is no better I know things won't change but for heavens sake it is interesting.
To be clear I am not talking about you Cedar.
disgusting isn't it? lets go bash Obama for awhile or piss and moan about *censored*s.
Post by: CedarPants on November 26, 2012, 10:44:03 AM
pheasant season is almost over. soon the fields will go back to the responsible duck hunters and idiot duck hunters alike and they can bitch about how crappy they are to each other on the waterfowl forum.
But until then I do think the upland forum is the appropriate place to complain about being shot by a pheasant hunter.
Should he have been there before 8am? Doesn't sound like it. Should he have expected a quality waterfowl hunt at a pheasant release site? Probably not (although I do find fairly decent waterfowling at a pheasant release site over here on the east side).
Does that make it ok for someone to not follow the most basic common sense rule of knowing what lies beyond your target before you shoot and wind up shooting someone? Hell no.
Laughing at this situation shows a complete lack of respect for your fellow hunter as well as a complete lack of respect of common sense safety
your splitting hairs about my forum comment. I never said this post didn't belong on here.
whats your point about 8:00? and that you find decent hunting at a release site? you can have a good day of duck shooting there, you just have to put up with the pheasant hunters to do so. the pheasant hunters are supposed to be there, duck hunters can go where ever they like.
he got his panties in a twist because he had pellets rain on him. thats funny to me. as a pheasant hunter I have lost count of the amount shot rained down on me by duck hunters and by pheasant hunters. I don't take it personal, I don't get angry at the hunters or gravity.
if it were a dick cheney incident he shouldn't be on here looking for sympathy, he should be filing a police report. but as far as I know he never made the distinction, maybe before he edited his original post.
My point was that just because he was there before 8am and was duck hunting at a pheasant release site, it doesn't justify someone peppering him with shot.
Our differing of opinions lies in the fact that while you find it funny, I don't. While you don't take it personal, I would.
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 11:15:46 AM
Our differing of opinions lies in the fact that while you find it funny, I don't. While you don't take it personal, I would.
why would you take it personally? if the bird being shot at was up in the air and you were on the other side of the field and just happened to be in the right spot when those pellets lost their energy and came down... its part of hunting on public land. its not pleasant but it happens enough.
its another can of worms if you got peppered at close, medium, or even long range by a pheasant hunter that didn't wait for a safe shot or took a low shot -which is never ever safe.
that is not funny what so ever... and I would take it personally... and I would take action as well.
low shots are never safe especially in an area where duck hunter are wearing camo and trying to be invisible. maybe they should start wearing orange. as absurd as that sounds it would make more sense than having one group of people being highly visible hunting in the same area as a group of people that are all but invisible.
Post by: BK Dave on November 26, 2012, 11:23:28 AM
Yesterday morning at Ebey Island. You know who you are!!! You knew that we were there duck hunting but you shot twice anyways and sprayed us while picking up our decoys. Show some respect for other hunters on public land!!! We have the same right as you do to be out there.Hunting these areas now days is like Fishing the Cowlitz River, it's shoulder to shoulder combat fishing, wait you turn to cast and or swing your bird gun.
Post by: MADMAX on November 26, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
Yesterday morning at Ebey Island. You know who you are!!! You knew that we were there duck hunting but you shot twice anyways and sprayed us while picking up our decoys. Show some respect for other hunters on public land!!! We have the same right as you do to be out there.Hunting these areas now days is like Fishing the Cowlitz River, it's shoulder to shoulder combat fishing, wait you turn to cast and or swing your bird gun.
True enough
Did you have your orange on ?
I cant see the tag in the photo you posted.
Is that a flashlight on your bow ?
Is the Skok hot right now ?
Is there a lot of guys that hunt the Winston ?
I love it, funny chit right there the cowlitz comment.
Not the getting peppered part,Thats just stupid and inconsiderate.
Like hunting a pheasant release site.
Never again, one and done
Post by: CedarPants on November 26, 2012, 11:42:07 AM
Our differing of opinions lies in the fact that while you find it funny, I don't. While you don't take it personal, I would.
why would you take it personally?
Why wouldn't you?
Like I said, just a matter of differing opinions.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 26, 2012, 11:46:07 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 12:06:55 PM
It's a pheasant release site. You can't be out there duck hunting before 8:00. If you are, then you have no right to complain about pheasant hunters interfering with your hunt.
:yeah:
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 12:11:14 PM
pheasant season is almost over. soon the fields will go back to the responsible duck hunters and idiot duck hunters alike and they can bitch about how crappy they are to each other on the waterfowl forum.
:yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: Huntbear on November 26, 2012, 12:24:15 PM
Yesterday morning at Ebey Island. You know who you are!!! You knew that we were there duck hunting but you shot twice anyways and sprayed us while picking up our decoys. Show some respect for other hunters on public land!!! We have the same right as you do to be out there.
So you modified your post to remove the time frame you were hunting, in an area you were supposed to not be in till 8 am... so you were in all realities breaking the law.... and you have the right to go all indignant on someone?
Did you call it in??? have a LEO come out to the spot and fill out a report??? IF NOT, WHY?????? Seems a report should be written, arrests made, people flogged... oh but wait.. again, you were in there before you were supposed to.. so ummmmmmmmm you could not do anything more than come onto the forum and start *censored*... I am so glad we have WDFW officers on here... and oh yes. just because you modified your post??? do not think that it was not or the original post can not be seen by the powers that be..
Gotta love the righteous indignant that are actually doing something they can get ticketed for when they became indignant in the first place....
Post by: kckrawler on November 26, 2012, 12:29:13 PM
It was stright on as we got hit hit from our legs to our shoulders on one side of our bodies. I just dont understand the hunters that will sit and wait 30 yards from our set up with their dogs barking for 8:00 to come around and dont think it will interrupt our hunt?? We respect other hunters and dont shoot if people are in the area where we think we might pepper them with falling shot, but to have 8:00 come around and have Pheasent hunters walk 20 yards right in front of us and past our decoys like we're not even there is a joke. Maybe next time we'll just shoot anyways and see how they feel afterwards.
You forgot to edit this one :tup:
Post by: BIGINNER on November 26, 2012, 12:30:21 PM
Yesterday morning at Ebey Island. You know who you are!!! You knew that we were there duck hunting but you shot twice anyways and sprayed us while picking up our decoys. Show some respect for other hunters on public land!!! We have the same right as you do to be out there.
So you modified your post to remove the time frame you were hunting, in an area you were supposed to not be in till 8 am... so you were in all realities breaking the law.... and you have the right to go all indignant on someone?
Did you call it in??? have a LEO come out to the spot and fill out a report??? IF NOT, WHY?????? Seems a report should be written, arrests made, people flogged... oh but wait.. again, you were in there before you were supposed to.. so ummmmmmmmm you could not do anything more than come onto the forum and start *censored*... I am so glad we have WDFW officers on here... and oh yes. just because you modified your post??? do not think that it was not or the original post can not be seen by the powers that be..
Gotta love the righteous indignant that are actually doing something they can get ticketed for when they became indignant in the first place....
the 8 a.m comment was the 3rd or so post from the top. he didn't mention a timeframe in his first post. not sure what he edited though. i think he was ranting in general over the 8 a.m hunters. but seems like he got peppered later on in the day, since they were picking up their decoys when it happened.
not defending him on the 8 a.m thing or anything, but just saying that the 8 a.m. comment wasn't in the original post.
Post by: boneaddict on November 26, 2012, 12:31:13 PM
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I agree. A lot of pheasant hunters have no respect for pheasant hunters, and water fowlers that have no respect for other water fowlers, and water fowlers that have no respect for pheasant hunters. No one should get shot. Call it in
I owned my BRAND NEW F150 for 3 days before a disgruntled *censored* shot the passenger side while parked at the potholes in the parking lot on Dodson road
Post by: westsideoutdoorsman on November 26, 2012, 12:42:34 PM
I owned my BRAND NEW F150 for 3 days before a disgruntled *censored* shot the passenger side while parked at the potholes in the parking lot on Dodson road
Post by: BK Dave on November 26, 2012, 12:45:53 PM
Hey!!!! That same thing happened to me about 9 years ago SAME AREA?!! Back on the Dike rd. I had a little Jon boat that I could push out over the muck before dropping the motor, all the big Jet boys had to park and walk in. I got back to my Toyota with the whole left and back side of my truck windows blasted out!!!QuoteI agree. A lot of pheasant hunters have no respect for pheasant hunters, and water fowlers that have no respect for other water fowlers, and water fowlers that have no respect for pheasant hunters. No one should get shot. Call it in
I owned my BRAND NEW F150 for 3 days before a disgruntled *censored* shot the passenger side while parked at the potholes in the parking lot on Dodson road
Post by: kevinp16 on November 26, 2012, 01:33:30 PM
fact2. We have every right to be out there. We understand it's a release site and respect that. It's when pheasent hunts dont give a crap about us and think they own the land.
And finally, the hunter that shot at us knew we were there. He watched us standing on the edge of the field drinking coffee just before 8. It was a direct shot at us through some thick brush. No i dont have pellets in my skin, but marks on my decoy bag. I was wearing multiple layers thank god.
I would hope to see other hunters show as much respect to other hunters as we do. Doesn't matter what your hunting for, we're all hunting and enjoying being out there.
Post by: CP on November 26, 2012, 01:39:48 PM
Fact 1. We got out there early just before 715 to set up our decoys and see what kind of birds were moving around. We were not hunting before 8.
fact2. We have every right to be out there. We understand it's a release site and respect that. It's when pheasent hunts dont give a crap about us and think they own the land.
And finally, the hunter that shot at us knew we were there. He watched us standing on the edge of the field drinking coffee just before 8. It was a direct shot at us through some thick brush. No i dont have pellets in my skin, but marks on my decoy bag. I was wearing multiple layers thank god.
I would hope to see other hunters show as much respect to other hunters as we do. Doesn't matter what your hunting for, we're all hunting and enjoying being out there.
Again, sorry that you got peppered; I encourage you to report it.
As for fact 1, the sign that you walked past at 7:15am reads “Entry Prohibited” not "it is OK to go in early and setup decoys". You are not showing much respect by violating that.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 02:04:59 PM
Like CP mentioned tho you most definitely should of reported it. Better to report it the moment it happened. The way you describe its sounds like the perpetrate intentionally shot at you. And being a pheasant release site hunter my self I know first hand there are a small percentage of pheasant hunters that lack all ethics and should not handling a fire arm. Same percentage for duck hunters per capita also.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 02:16:13 PM
Sure you have the "right" to be there, but why anyone would want to duck hunt on a release site is beyond me :dunno: especially without wearing some kind of fluorescent clothing. I frequently see bird watchers out on release sites and most of them wear fluorescent clothing and they usually just stay on the fringe areas.
Like CP mentioned tho you most definitely should of reported it. Better to report it the moment it happened. The way you describe its sounds like the perpetrate intentionally shot at you. And being a pheasant release site hunter my self I know first hand there are a small percentage of pheasant hunters that lack all ethics and should not handling a fire arm. Same percentage for duck hunters per capita.
You ever duck hunt? Florescent clothing isn't an option and isn't necessary. Just because it's a pheasant release site doesn't mean that duck hunters don't have every right the pheasant hunters have to be there doing what they love to do.
This same crap comes up here in Vancouver every year. The pheasant hunters don't like the duck hunters and visa versa. Tough crap guys. It belongs to all of us. It's not always convenient, but you don't shoot at each other, when it isn't, either.
I will say that I've noticed both waterfowl and pheasant hunters being less than sportsmanlike when these encounters take place. If a pheasant hunter walks around the corner and is going down the line with his dog, people get mad like he should go somewhere else. Again, tough crap guys. There are waterfowlers' blinds everywhere and the pheasant hunters have as much right to their legal activity as do the duck hunters.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 02:28:03 PM
You ever duck hunt? Florescent clothing isn't an option and isn't necessary. Just because it's a pheasant release site doesn't mean that duck hunters don't have every right the pheasant hunters have to be there doing what they love to do.
Duck hunted for almost 40 years, but not once on a release site. Wearing camo and hiding in pheasant cover is just asking for problems don't you think Pboy?.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 02:31:24 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 02:35:01 PM
You ever duck hunt? Florescent clothing isn't an option and isn't necessary. Just because it's a pheasant release site doesn't mean that duck hunters don't have every right the pheasant hunters have to be there doing what they love to do.
Duck hunted for almost 40 years, but not once on a release site. Wearing camo and hiding in pheasant cover is just asking for problems don't you think Pboy?.
PBoy? Really? Are you in grade school? There's no need for disrespect here.
Just because it's a pheasant release site doesn't mean it's only for pheasants. You wear hunter orange when pheasant hunting to avoid shooting another pheasant hunter in the face as you sweep him. The danger for pheasant hunters is from close up, not far. As far a s a duck blind or any other kind of hunting is concerned, you don't get to take ownership of the area just because you're a pheasant hunter. It's open to all of us, pheasant, waterfowl, and other game alike.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 02:37:09 PM
There really does need to be separate designated pheasant and duck sites or conflicts will always be, until then hunter orange should be required for all users.
But, there isn't that I know of. I even started a thread a year ago with relation to this proposing that there be alternating days for waterfowl and pheasant. No one wanted me to suggest it to the WDFW. I understand the conflict. I just don't think one group gets privilege over another. We have to hunt together.
Post by: CP on November 26, 2012, 02:39:45 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 02:41:45 PM
And we all need to follow the rules e.g. 8:00am entry for everyone, duck hunters, pheasant hunters, dog walkers, etc.
Actually, where I hunt, the entry rules are different. Duck and goose hunters can set up decoys at 4AM and after, and may enter the site at any time. Pheasant hunters must wait until 8 AM to enter the area. These rules cover two public hunting sites in Vancouver here.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 02:42:55 PM
No disrespect really, it's just that Pboy sounds more fitting which I'm sure others would agree :chuckle:
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on November 26, 2012, 02:43:57 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 02:50:04 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 02:50:54 PM
This sounds like Skaters vs BMXers at the skate park. :chuckle: :tung:
It's freakin stupid and it happens every year. Everyone has the right to hunt on public land and we should all welcome everyone to do so.
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 26, 2012, 02:51:06 PM
Marks on your bag are not the same as holes in your decoy bag or personal hide.
Also, if you know who shot in your direction, why wait to complain anonomously on an online forum? Why wouldn't you confront your perp at the time or call the police?
If you couldn't ID your blaze orange wearing shooter, what makes you so sure he saw you camoed up in the brush picking up your dekes?
This sounds like you're blowing up a minor accident were you suffered no damages into a criminal assault.
Post by: Curly on November 26, 2012, 02:52:21 PM
Shooting at someone is silly too. Shooting at someone because they broke the entry rule is not very smart. They should have just gone over and had a discussion about the rules.......guess they thought it would be simpler to get the point across by shooting. :bdid:
Then again, whining about it on the internet isn't probably smart either. Might be a good way to get duck hunting shut down until after pheasant season is over. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 02:54:27 PM
The 8:00 AM entry seems silly to me, but those are the rules and they need to be adhered to. (I really don't see why they can't make the rules so that entry is ok as long as shooting doesn't happen until 8 AM, if it is for safety reasons).
Shooting at someone is silly too. Shooting at someone because they broke the entry rule is not very smart. They should have just gone over and had a discussion about the rules.......guess they thought it would be simpler to get the point across by shooting. :bdid:
Then again, whining about it on the internet isn't probably smart either. Might be a good way to get duck hunting shut down until after pheasant season is over. :twocents:
I never understood that for pheasant hunting either. But, I suppose you can flush a bird as soon as you enter the field. Not so much with waterfowl. You really have to prepare for them.
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 26, 2012, 02:56:47 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
The 8 to 4 hours are to give the volunteers that plant the pheasants an option on planting in the morning or evening. If you could be in the field early, you'd have some people following the volunteer around the field.
Yeah, and they sure get nervous when you're bouncing pellets off the back of their truck!
Post by: MP123 on November 26, 2012, 03:09:20 PM
The 8 to 4 hours are to give the volunteers that plant the pheasants an option on planting in the morning or evening. If you could be in the field early, you'd have some people following the volunteer around the field.
Not to mention you could have a duck hunter quick throw on some orange and blast pheasants before the other (legit) pheasant hunters could run into the field. Wouldn't suprise me on westside public land :chuckle:
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 03:11:39 PM
Singleshot, your point is that you think everyone should go by pheasant hunter rules. I don't agree with that. I think everyone should go by the existing rules and hunt what they want in a legal and ethical way, regardless of whether they're pheasant, duck, or goose hunting, unless the area is open only for specific species hunting. I don't need to wear orange for goose or duck to be safe from you hunting pheasant. If you don't like that, you can pout or you can find private property to hunt. I, on the other hand, have no problem being considerate toward other hunters who are doing what they do legally and ethically. The argument is yours alone. I have the rules and sportsmanship to back me up.
Wrong again,The rules need to be changed for all users of public land to help prevent accidents and conflicts
So I take it you are a public land duck hunter that doesn't pheasant hunt right?
Post by: Jingles on November 26, 2012, 03:14:38 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 03:20:09 PM
The 8 to 4 hours are to give the volunteers that plant the pheasants an option on planting in the morning or evening. If you could be in the field early, you'd have some people following the volunteer around the field.
Not to mention you could have a duck hunter quick throw on some orange and blast pheasants before the other (legit) pheasant hunters could run into the field. Wouldn't suprise me on westside public land :chuckle:
The reasons for rule changes are almost endless. If duck and pheasant hunters are both going to continue hunting the same public land then there has to be more logical rules set in place. Right now it is sloppy out there.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 03:22:06 PM
Singleshot, your point is that you think everyone should go by pheasant hunter rules. I don't agree with that. I think everyone should go by the existing rules and hunt what they want in a legal and ethical way, regardless of whether they're pheasant, duck, or goose hunting, unless the area is open only for specific species hunting. I don't need to wear orange for goose or duck to be safe from you hunting pheasant. If you don't like that, you can pout or you can find private property to hunt. I, on the other hand, have no problem being considerate toward other hunters who are doing what they do legally and ethically. The argument is yours alone. I have the rules and sportsmanship to back me up.
Wrong again,The rules need to be changed for all users of public land to help prevent accidents and conflicts
So I take it you are a public land duck hunter that doesn't pheasant hunt right?
Nope, don't hunt ducks. And the rules need to be changed for you? There are no safety issues. There's not a single verifiable safety incident where a duck hunter was hurt by a pheasant hunter. You want to change the rule to benefit you, that's all. As far as conflict is concerned, be a sportsman. Quit being an antagonist because someone isn't doing what you want them to do. It's public land. That means you have to share. Deal with it.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 26, 2012, 03:28:21 PM
:rolleyes: tunnel vision you just don't get it do you :chuckle:
Yep, that's it. You got me. Why don't you start a thread about changing the rules to do with duck hunting and pheasant hunting. This'll be a real hoot. Have fun, Singleshot.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 03:29:32 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on November 26, 2012, 03:29:58 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on November 26, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
i pheasant hunt alot and sometimes duck hunt, i think changinf the rukes the way Silgleshot is saying is dumb, looks like you just want th rules to benifit you.Have you been drinking Pboys koolaid again :chuckle:
How is having separate public designated duck or pheasant sites, or all users required to wear orange, or all users having an 8:00 to 4:00 entry rule in place only benefit pheasant hunters?? I would only see it by helping to keep one or both activities from disappearing. If you can't see that then we as sportsmen are hopeless. I'm outta here :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on November 26, 2012, 03:42:14 PM
Post by: BK Dave on November 26, 2012, 04:15:25 PM
Post by: dscubame on November 26, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 04:24:45 PM
Singleshot, your point is that you think everyone should go by pheasant hunter rules. I don't agree with that. I think everyone should go by the existing rules and hunt what they want in a legal and ethical way, regardless of whether they're pheasant, duck, or goose hunting, unless the area is open only for specific species hunting. I don't need to wear orange for goose or duck to be safe from you hunting pheasant. If you don't like that, you can pout or you can find private property to hunt. I, on the other hand, have no problem being considerate toward other hunters who are doing what they do legally and ethically. The argument is yours alone. I have the rules and sportsmanship to back me up.
Wrong again,The rules need to be changed for all users of public land to help prevent accidents and conflicts
So I take it you are a public land duck hunter that doesn't pheasant hunt right?
Nope, don't hunt ducks. And the rules need to be changed for you? There are no safety issues. There's not a single verifiable safety incident where a duck hunter was hurt by a pheasant hunter. You want to change the rule to benefit you, that's all. As far as conflict is concerned, be a sportsman. Quit being an antagonist because someone isn't doing what you want them to do. It's public land. That means you have to share. Deal with it.
P-boy! I have a right to my opinion, and it is my opinion that you sir are a moron. thats the weakest argument that has come through the door yet!
the rules need to change to benefit both parties.
do I think what few pheasant release sites there are available should cater to the pheasant hunters more so than the duck hunters? damn skippy they should. go find a different place to hunt ducks for THE MONTH and FIFTEEN days that pheasant season overlaps ducks.
there are other places to hunt duck besides the release sites. :beatdeadhorse: there are many places to hunt ducks over here, few places to hunt pheasants. do the math.
just because you have the "right" to do something doesn't mean its the wisest thing to do in a given situation.
at that particular release site a duck hunter does have every right to go out at 8:00 am with the rest of the pheasant hunters and not a minute before...
WHY a duck hunter would choose to set up his decoys in that time and place -when he could be hunting a much more productive water fowl only area- is completely beyond me... although he does have the right to be out there.
that is why the rule was put in effect at that area.. no duck hunter with an ounce of common sense would set up at the same time as the pheasant hunters start... its just dumb.
just because you have the right to duck hunt on a pheasant release site doesn't mean you should. there are better places. you also have the right to slam your own testicles in a door. might not be the greatest idea however.
you have every right to walk down 72cnd street in tacoma after midnight, but thats not a great idea either.
there is a difference between exercising ones right and successfully executing common sense.
Post by: CedarPants on November 26, 2012, 04:32:31 PM
Maybe on pheasant release sites where duck hunting occurs, they should let the duck hunters have the mornings, and the pheasant hunters the afternoons?
Now that sounds like a logical idea :tup:
But then what would everyone argue about :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 04:40:39 PM
Have not experienced one however I cannot say I have ever heard any one say anything good about them either.
pheasant release sites are wonderful resources for those who enjoy upland hunting but do not have the ability to do so very often. wether its time or money or geography, release site give many people in western washington chances for birds that they might not have ever had.
its a place where older people can still get out and hunt and place where a young kid has a decent chance at his first kill. its a place where puppys can learn to be bird dogs, and old retired dogs can have another blaze of glory before passing on. and its place where hard working guys that never get much time off , can go and do what they love before getting back to their weekend chores, family, and work on monday.
there are strong opinions attached to these threads because pheasant hunters have strong feelings for their release sites.
many of my best memories happened on a release site.
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 26, 2012, 04:51:02 PM
The OP admitted to breaking the law by being out there before 8:00 AM and his claim of being shot is not substantiated by his posts (i.e. there was no damage, he was behind brush). I don't believe he was shot intentionally nor maliciously. Why is there so much interest in taking away from the intended user group???
Post by: CedarPants on November 26, 2012, 04:56:05 PM
The suggestion was made that duck hunters go elsewhere during the pheasant season. Why can't a pheasant release site be designated on some chunk of land without duck ponds, so that nobody has to go somewhere else?
Post by: NW-GSP on November 26, 2012, 05:10:07 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 26, 2012, 05:19:39 PM
I've duck hunted release sites and I've bought the pheasant card for years. There are a lot of good places to duck hunt around here, that is not true for upland birds on the wet side.
Release sites can be good for duck hunting after Thanksgiving.
The OP was in the wrong for being in the field before hours and in my opinion he is in the wrong for blowing this up online into some sort of malicious shooting. He should not have been in front of the guys waiting for the clock to hit 8:00. He was hidden in the field illegally, wearing camo, behind brush and he had shot dropped on him.
This should not be a pissing match. On the east side there is more land and less people. I've often duck hunted (or upland) while other user groups are in the area. The conflict is from the crowding and not following the rules.
Post by: BK Dave on November 26, 2012, 05:20:43 PM
Honest question here, as I don't know what goes into determining where pheasant are going to be released. Why can't a "pheasant release site" be a somewhere that waterfowl don't frequent? Seems to me many of the places that pheasant are released at sit right in the middle of good waterfowling land.Well here on the West side there is just very little public land left, zero native pheasants and more hunters than you can shake a stick at! The D of F&W does a pretty good job working with what they've got. I used to volunteer at the Cherry Vally pheasant sites a few years back? And the Land in the Vally is owned purely do in part that it floods every year and in doing so there is lots of ponds of water in and around the public sites enabling Duck and Pheasant hunters alike. And on any givin morning 8:00AM 50 hunters are lined up at the boundary where we released 10 birds the night before. It's awesome, everybody charges out across the fields with dogs all confused and hunters peppering hunters and dogs and every now and then the fields flood and the duck hunters try they're luck, some get peppered as well! It's real fun over here (-;
The suggestion was made that duck hunters go elsewhere during the pheasant season. Why can't a pheasant release site be designated on some chunk of land without duck ponds, so that nobody has to go somewhere else?
Why I quit
Post by: Atroxus on November 26, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
My pheasant hunting was all on release sites. If it was not for those release sites I would not have done any pheasant hunting for several of the reasons Stilly mentioned. Mainly I don't have the time to go over to eastern washington to hunt without stirring up trouble with my wife.
My duck hunting has been a little on private property thanks to Stilly, and some on public with Kola. You could not pay me to go duck hunt on a pheasant release site during pheasant though unless the duck and pheasant areas were clearly separated.
Most of my pheasant trips I found it was pretty hard to tell where the duck hunters were until I was practically on top of them. I consider myself safety conscious, and try to be aware of the hunters around me. I don't shoot in the direction of other hunters...if I can see them. Going out in the middle of a bunch of pheasant hunters all camo'd up though just seems like begging to get peppered if not outright shot. In my mind it's not that different from dressing in all black to go jogging on the road at night, then bitching that drivers can't see you until you are coming through their windshield. :bash:
Post by: NW-GSP on November 26, 2012, 06:31:55 PM
I have to say I agree with Stilly Bay on this. I have done a little pheasant hunting and a little duck hunting this year. It was my first year doing both, so I am not super experienced but I can at least say I have at least a little perspective from both sides of the fence.
My pheasant hunting was all on release sites. If it was not for those release sites I would not have done any pheasant hunting for several of the reasons Stilly mentioned. Mainly I don't have the time to go over to eastern washington to hunt without stirring up trouble with my wife.
My duck hunting has been a little on private property thanks to Stilly, and some on public with Kola. You could not pay me to go duck hunt on a pheasant release site during pheasant though unless the duck and pheasant areas were clearly separated.
Most of my pheasant trips I found it was pretty hard to tell where the duck hunters were until I was practically on top of them. I consider myself safety conscious, and try to be aware of the hunters around me. I don't shoot in the direction of other hunters...if I can see them. Going out in the middle of a bunch of pheasant hunters all camo'd up though just seems like begging to get peppered if not outright shot. In my mind it's not that different from dressing in all black to go jogging on the road at night, then bitching that drivers can't see you until you are coming through their windshield. :bash:
I shot a limit of ducks last week at a pheasant release site even with pheasant hunters passing by, I did not get mad cause its part of sharing the land. Heck a pheasant hunter even had his dog grab a duck for us so we would not have to walk a long ways to get to the other side of a canal.
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 06:53:34 PM
In my mind it's not that different from dressing in all black to go jogging on the road at night, then bitching that drivers can't see you until you are coming through their windshield. :bash:
excellent analogy.
I shot a limit of ducks last week at a pheasant release site even with pheasant hunters passing by, I did not get mad cause its part of sharing the land. Heck a pheasant hunter even had his dog grab a duck for us so we would not have to walk a long ways to get to the other side of a canal.
I retrieved a couple cripples for duckers today.
its more than possible to have a great day hunting ducks at the release site if you understand what goes along with duck hunting on the release site and don't sweat the small stuff.
what gets old is duck hunters blaming their lousy day of hunting on the pheasant hunters.
Post by: billythekidrock on November 26, 2012, 07:20:12 PM
All I can say is be glad it was Kevin that got it and not me. I'd of returned fire reloaded and continued firing til the bast*rd surrendered.......
Yeah, 'cause that is the smart thing to do.
:dunno:
Post by: Birdguy on November 26, 2012, 10:17:54 PM
:yeah: I hunted release sites when I started upland hunting because they were close to home, a quick hunt for me and my pup, and I did not know any better. As I got more interested I turned to the east side but finding birds is real tough, I do not mind walking all day to see a bird or two get up to far out so long as the dog is working and we are having fun. This year as my two kids joined me in the upland pursuit I wanted them to get the rush, see the dog work and not have to spend all day for it. I ponied up the money for three westside tags :yike: and we went when it worked with the kids schedule. I passed a lot of birds so my kids could shoot at them :chuckle:. And shoot at them they did, the dog put up 4-7 birds each time we went out and the kids actually got a couple shots each time as well. We did not "push" the field we went slower talking about where other hunters were, where we were headed and to try and be ready. Well all season I shot one bird the dog caught one, and on Thanksgiving morning my daughter who HATES to get up early for ANYTHING shot her first pheasant :IBCOOL:. Yes, she shot it over the pond and yes the dog swam back through the pond with it and the pictures of the bird look horrible, but man was I proud of her! She was proud of herself and her little brother even told her good job :tup:. That is what release sites are for. They are not for ideal S. Dakota hunts, they are not for all folks to hunt their own way, but man there are some great memories made there! Yes, we need them, yes they serve a purpose, and while none are perfect, they work for what they are.Have not experienced one however I cannot say I have ever heard any one say anything good about them either.
pheasant release sites are wonderful resources for those who enjoy upland hunting but do not have the ability to do so very often. wether its time or money or geography, release site give many people in western washington chances for birds that they might not have ever had.
its a place where older people can still get out and hunt and place where a young kid has a decent chance at his first kill. its a place where puppys can learn to be bird dogs, and old retired dogs can have another blaze of glory before passing on. and its place where hard working guys that never get much time off , can go and do what they love before getting back to their weekend chores, family, and work on monday.
there are strong opinions attached to these threads because pheasant hunters have strong feelings for their release sites.
many of my best memories happened on a release site.
Safety is key in all things these days, my kids wear all the orange I can get on them, they wear the brush pants, they have ear plugs to wear in the field and they ALWAYS have safety glasses on for the possibility of raining shot. The dog has a shock collar on fir his safety, and usually a vest as well as clear cuts are not friendly place for a hunting dog. Protect yourself and do your best to look out for others :twocents:.
Post by: wildweeds on November 26, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
:yeah: I hunted release sites when I started upland hunting because they were close to home, a quick hunt for me and my pup, and I did not know any better. As I got more interested I turned to the east side but finding birds is real tough, I do not mind walking all day to see a bird or two get up to far out so long as the dog is working and we are having fun. This year as my two kids joined me in the upland pursuit I wanted them to get the rush, see the dog work and not have to spend all day for it. I ponied up the money for three westside tags :yike: and we went when it worked with the kids schedule. I passed a lot of birds so my kids could shoot at them :chuckle:. And shoot at them they did, the dog put up 4-7 birds each time we went out and the kids actually got a couple shots each time as well. We did not "push" the field we went slower talking about where other hunters were, where we were headed and to try and be ready. Well all season I shot one bird the dog caught one, and on Thanksgiving morning my daughter who HATES to get up early for ANYTHING shot her first pheasant :IBCOOL:. Yes, she shot it over the pond and yes the dog swam back through the pond with it and the pictures of the bird look horrible, but man was I proud of her! She was proud of herself and her little brother even told her good job :tup:. That is what release sites are for. They are not for ideal S. Dakota hunts, they are not for all folks to hunt their own way, but man there are some great memories made there! Yes, we need them, yes they serve a purpose, and while none are perfect, they work for what they are.Have not experienced one however I cannot say I have ever heard any one say anything good about them either.
pheasant release sites are wonderful resources for those who enjoy upland hunting but do not have the ability to do so very often. wether its time or money or geography, release site give many people in western washington chances for birds that they might not have ever had.
its a place where older people can still get out and hunt and place where a young kid has a decent chance at his first kill. its a place where puppys can learn to be bird dogs, and old retired dogs can have another blaze of glory before passing on. and its place where hard working guys that never get much time off , can go and do what they love before getting back to their weekend chores, family, and work on monday.
there are strong opinions attached to these threads because pheasant hunters have strong feelings for their release sites.
many of my best memories happened on a release site.
Safety is key in all things these days, my kids wear all the orange I can get on them, they wear the brush pants, they have ear plugs to wear in the field and they ALWAYS have safety glasses on for the possibility of raining shot. The dog has a shock collar on fir his safety, and usually a vest as well as clear cuts are not friendly place for a hunting dog. Protect yourself and do your best to look out for others :twocents:.
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 10:40:40 PM
3 oclock in the afternoon is the best time,I live 1 mile from 2 release sites,I went saturday at 3 and found a rooster and I went at 2:45 on sunday and found another rooster.If I would have taken a veteran dog I would have found more but I took 15 month old pups that look good but have absolutely not a clue as to what they are doing and they found birds.we were out poaching your release site on sunday, at least the duck hunters there are all in pre existing blinds, not crawling out of the woodwork and lurking near ever puddle... it was actually pretty nice not having to play "where is Elmer Fudd" all day.:yeah: I hunted release sites when I started upland hunting because they were close to home, a quick hunt for me and my pup, and I did not know any better. As I got more interested I turned to the east side but finding birds is real tough, I do not mind walking all day to see a bird or two get up to far out so long as the dog is working and we are having fun. This year as my two kids joined me in the upland pursuit I wanted them to get the rush, see the dog work and not have to spend all day for it. I ponied up the money for three westside tags :yike: and we went when it worked with the kids schedule. I passed a lot of birds so my kids could shoot at them :chuckle:. And shoot at them they did, the dog put up 4-7 birds each time we went out and the kids actually got a couple shots each time as well. We did not "push" the field we went slower talking about where other hunters were, where we were headed and to try and be ready. Well all season I shot one bird the dog caught one, and on Thanksgiving morning my daughter who HATES to get up early for ANYTHING shot her first pheasant :IBCOOL:. Yes, she shot it over the pond and yes the dog swam back through the pond with it and the pictures of the bird look horrible, but man was I proud of her! She was proud of herself and her little brother even told her good job :tup:. That is what release sites are for. They are not for ideal S. Dakota hunts, they are not for all folks to hunt their own way, but man there are some great memories made there! Yes, we need them, yes they serve a purpose, and while none are perfect, they work for what they are.Have not experienced one however I cannot say I have ever heard any one say anything good about them either.
pheasant release sites are wonderful resources for those who enjoy upland hunting but do not have the ability to do so very often. wether its time or money or geography, release site give many people in western washington chances for birds that they might not have ever had.
its a place where older people can still get out and hunt and place where a young kid has a decent chance at his first kill. its a place where puppys can learn to be bird dogs, and old retired dogs can have another blaze of glory before passing on. and its place where hard working guys that never get much time off , can go and do what they love before getting back to their weekend chores, family, and work on monday.
there are strong opinions attached to these threads because pheasant hunters have strong feelings for their release sites.
many of my best memories happened on a release site.
Safety is key in all things these days, my kids wear all the orange I can get on them, they wear the brush pants, they have ear plugs to wear in the field and they ALWAYS have safety glasses on for the possibility of raining shot. The dog has a shock collar on fir his safety, and usually a vest as well as clear cuts are not friendly place for a hunting dog. Protect yourself and do your best to look out for others :twocents:.
Post by: Kola16 on November 26, 2012, 10:53:03 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 06:43:18 AM
I had suggested that during pheasant season, weekend days were alternated (for example: Sat for pheasant, Sunday for duck/goose) to avoid conflict between the groups. Generally, the response seemed to be that if all of the hunters were practicing sportsmanlike conduct, there should be no issues. According to the WDFW, there have been no safety-related incidents between pheasant hunters and waterfowl hunters.
Another option that has been suggested is that we have designated blinds. Although I see this as a solution to the problem of how the waterfowl guys are dispersed, I don't get how this solves existing conflicts between pheasant and waterfowl hunters unless those blind areas are made off-limits to the pheasant guys, which would further exacerbate the situation and have one group feeling slighted via their opportunities. And seeing there are no safety issues/incidents regarding accidental shootings, this wouldn't change anything. What it would do is require someone to manage the blinds, giving the DFW cause to charge more for either hunting option when the charges for both are certainly heavy enough, especially with the extra waterfowl charges happening in areas 2A and 2B.
In lieu of safety concerns, increased DFW regulation, and taking away some already very limiting hunting opportunities, it seems clear that the options to solve this situation are quite limited. Were it that all of the hunters on these sites practiced excellent sportsmanship, I feel that none of the problems would be so onerous as to stimulate discussion year after year and we would be able to continue as we have. This is clearly not the case. Would it then be possible to launch a campaign to encourage more tolerance (I know, I hate the word, too) between the specific hunting groups and more sportsmanlike conduct? I have no idea of how this would take form.
Post by: boneaddict on November 27, 2012, 06:57:11 AM
Would the westside guys like us to bring some whitetails over for you as well to hunt. We'll let them out of the cage at 0750 for you to hunt at 0800.
I guess its hard for me to wrap my mind around this whole topic. THANK GOD
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 06:58:33 AM
:yeah: I hunted release sites when I started upland hunting because they were close to home, a quick hunt for me and my pup, and I did not know any better. As I got more interested I turned to the east side but finding birds is real tough, I do not mind walking all day to see a bird or two get up to far out so long as the dog is working and we are having fun. This year as my two kids joined me in the upland pursuit I wanted them to get the rush, see the dog work and not have to spend all day for it. I ponied up the money for three westside tags :yike: and we went when it worked with the kids schedule. I passed a lot of birds so my kids could shoot at them :chuckle:. And shoot at them they did, the dog put up 4-7 birds each time we went out and the kids actually got a couple shots each time as well. We did not "push" the field we went slower talking about where other hunters were, where we were headed and to try and be ready. Well all season I shot one bird the dog caught one, and on Thanksgiving morning my daughter who HATES to get up early for ANYTHING shot her first pheasant :IBCOOL:. Yes, she shot it over the pond and yes the dog swam back through the pond with it and the pictures of the bird look horrible, but man was I proud of her! She was proud of herself and her little brother even told her good job :tup:. That is what release sites are for. They are not for ideal S. Dakota hunts, they are not for all folks to hunt their own way, but man there are some great memories made there! Yes, we need them, yes they serve a purpose, and while none are perfect, they work for what they are.Have not experienced one however I cannot say I have ever heard any one say anything good about them either.
pheasant release sites are wonderful resources for those who enjoy upland hunting but do not have the ability to do so very often. wether its time or money or geography, release site give many people in western washington chances for birds that they might not have ever had.
its a place where older people can still get out and hunt and place where a young kid has a decent chance at his first kill. its a place where puppys can learn to be bird dogs, and old retired dogs can have another blaze of glory before passing on. and its place where hard working guys that never get much time off , can go and do what they love before getting back to their weekend chores, family, and work on monday.
there are strong opinions attached to these threads because pheasant hunters have strong feelings for their release sites.
many of my best memories happened on a release site.
Safety is key in all things these days, my kids wear all the orange I can get on them, they wear the brush pants, they have ear plugs to wear in the field and they ALWAYS have safety glasses on for the possibility of raining shot. The dog has a shock collar on fir his safety, and usually a vest as well as clear cuts are not friendly place for a hunting dog. Protect yourself and do your best to look out for others :twocents:.
:yeah: enough said!
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 06:59:57 AM
Personally this sounds like a cluster to me.
Would the westside guys like us to bring some whitetails over for you as well to hunt. We'll let them out of the cage at 0750 for you to hunt at 0800.
I guess its hard for me to wrap my mind around this whole topic. THANK GOD
Especially hard to understand for an Easterner such as yourself. There are no naturally occurring pheasants (I know, they're all from China, blah, blah, blah) on the wetside. And, the pheasant hunters pay an awful lot for those release site cards to hunt them over here.
Post by: Curly on November 27, 2012, 07:00:23 AM
Personally this sounds like a cluster to me.
Would the westside guys like us to bring some whitetails over for you as well to hunt. We'll let them out of the cage at 0750 for you to hunt at 0800.
I guess its hard for me to wrap my mind around this whole topic. THANK GOD
It is a cluster. At least it keeps the numbers of upland hunters down a little in Eastern WA.
I think you may be onto something, Bone. That would keep the numbers of deer hunters down in E WA too...... :)
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 07:02:34 AM
Personally this sounds like a cluster to me.
Would the westside guys like us to bring some whitetails over for you as well to hunt. We'll let them out of the cage at 0750 for you to hunt at 0800.
I guess its hard for me to wrap my mind around this whole topic. THANK GOD
It is a cluster. At least it keeps the numbers of upland hunters down a little in Eastern WA.
I think you may be onto something, Bone. That would keep the numbers of deer hunters down in E WA too...... :)
We don't want no white-tailed rats breeding over here. The blackies have enough pressure on their numbers as it is. And wait until the wolves really get entrenched here. Ouch! :bash:
Post by: boneaddict on November 27, 2012, 07:06:12 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 07:12:10 AM
you don't like whitetails huh......how about a bag full of rattlesnakes so your canned hunts can have more of a eastern washington feel to them. :chuckle:
Rattlesnakes wouldn't make it over here, but WHITETAILS YES! they would take over the west-side like a plague of rabbits. PLEASE plant some over here, Somebody?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 07:13:27 AM
you don't like whitetails huh......how about a bag full of rattlesnakes so your canned hunts can have more of a eastern washington feel to them. :chuckle:
Now, that's an idea! I love me some snake meat!
Post by: Da stump on November 27, 2012, 07:18:21 AM
Post by: BK Dave on November 27, 2012, 07:41:14 AM
Oh I have HUNT WA. For that!! Haha
Post by: boneaddict on November 27, 2012, 09:20:30 AM
So last night "we" are watching one of those Intervention shows, I ask why We must suffer through this mindless crap? She explains to me it gives us a reality check about this world and how good we really got it, And it makes her feel better about her self.
Oh I have HUNT WA. For that!! Haha
:chuckle:
Post by: dscubame on November 27, 2012, 10:16:55 AM
Have not experienced one however I cannot say I have ever heard any one say anything good about them either.
pheasant release sites are wonderful resources for those who enjoy upland hunting but do not have the ability to do so very often. wether its time or money or geography, release site give many people in western washington chances for birds that they might not have ever had.
its a place where older people can still get out and hunt and place where a young kid has a decent chance at his first kill. its a place where puppys can learn to be bird dogs, and old retired dogs can have another blaze of glory before passing on. and its place where hard working guys that never get much time off , can go and do what they love before getting back to their weekend chores, family, and work on monday.
there are strong opinions attached to these threads because pheasant hunters have strong feelings for their release sites.
many of my best memories happened on a release site.
Good thoughts to think about Stilly Bay. I can see how the release sites can be appreciated with the input you have given. Thanks.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 10:20:54 AM
Post by: Stilly bay on November 27, 2012, 11:41:13 AM
Were it that all of the hunters on these sites practiced excellent sportsmanship, I feel that none of the problems would be so onerous as to stimulate discussion year after year and we would be able to continue as we have. This is clearly not the case. Would it then be possible to launch a campaign to encourage more tolerance (I know, I hate the word, too) between the specific hunting groups and more sportsmanlike conduct? I have no idea of how this would take form.
I don't care how good the sportsman like conduct is -FWIW IMO its been overall pretty dang good- the fact still remains that you have highly visible pheasant hunters roving the fields and almost invisible duck hunters scattered about in unknown and completely random locations. this is a major safety concern.
pheasant hunters have to pay attention to other blaze orange clad pheasant hunters as well as constantly scan for things that may look like duck blinds or a duck hunters white face.
thats a lot to ask of a person to calculate when a pheasant flushes up in his face. I honestly don't know why there aren't more accidents. I believe this incongruence is a serious chink in the armor of the system.
solutions for this problem.
close the release sites to duck hunters for the six weeks duck and pheasant season over lap. duck hunters still get december and january to hunt release sites. at that point the duck hunting gets better. * duck hunters are still completely free to hunt any public area that is not a pheasant release site.
OR - only allow duck hunting in designated blinds that have been marked for the duration of pheasant season, after that have a free for all.
* duck hunters are still free to hunt any other public land that is not a pheasant release site
restricting duck hunters for the SIX weeks that the two seasons overlap really does not seem like that big of a concession to me. the duck hunters miss out on the first six weeks of the season (which aren't that great) but only on the release sites... there are many more public and private areas for duck hunters to go besides the release sites. it seems like a very small sacrifice to end conflicts and promote safety.
am I really that far off base as to suggest restricting one party that already has more on its table than the other so that a level of safety can be maintained creating an overall better experience for both parties involved?
oh yeah, please spare me the socialist comments. if thats all you got go #%# %#%#% and %R*& and keep your utterly boring political view point out of this. its about safety and common sense not getting your warped perception of rights stepped on.
All sides of the issue have strong feelings tied to many things, including memories, access near home, access for the elderly or very young, the expense put out to hunt there, etc.then all sides need to come up with a solution and stop acting butt hurt at the thought of having something taken away or reworked.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 11:57:30 AM
Were it that all of the hunters on these sites practiced excellent sportsmanship, I feel that none of the problems would be so onerous as to stimulate discussion year after year and we would be able to continue as we have. This is clearly not the case. Would it then be possible to launch a campaign to encourage more tolerance (I know, I hate the word, too) between the specific hunting groups and more sportsmanlike conduct? I have no idea of how this would take form.
I don't care how good the sportsman like conduct is -FWIW IMO its been overall pretty dang good- the fact still remains that you have highly visible pheasant hunters roving the fields and almost invisible duck hunters scattered about in unknown and completely random locations. this is a major safety concern.
pheasant hunters have to pay attention to other blaze orange clad pheasant hunters as well as constantly scan for things that may look like duck blinds or a duck hunters white face.
thats a lot to ask of a person to calculate when a pheasant flushes up in his face. I honestly don't know why there aren't more accidents. I believe this incongruence is a serious chink in the armor of the system.
solutions for this problem.
close the release sites to duck hunters for the six weeks duck and pheasant season over lap. duck hunters still get december and january to hunt release sites. at that point the duck hunting gets better. * duck hunters are still completely free to hunt any public area that is not a pheasant release site.
OR - only allow duck hunting in designated blinds that have been marked for the duration of pheasant season, after that have a free for all.
* duck hunters are still free to hunt any other public land that is not a pheasant release site
restricting duck hunters for the SIX weeks that the two seasons overlap really does not seem like that big of a concession to me. the duck hunters miss out on the first six weeks of the season (which aren't that great) but only on the release sites... there are many more public and private areas for duck hunters to go besides the release sites. it seems like a very small sacrifice to end conflicts and promote safety.
am I really that far off base as to suggest restricting one party that already has more on its table than the other so that a level of safety can be maintained creating an overall better experience for both parties involved?
oh yeah, please spare me the socialist comments. if thats all you got go #%# %#%#% and %R*& and keep your utterly boring political view point out of this. its about safety and common sense not getting your warped perception of rights stepped on.All sides of the issue have strong feelings tied to many things, including memories, access near home, access for the elderly or very young, the expense put out to hunt there, etc.then all sides need to come up with a solution and stop acting butt hurt at the thought of having something taken away or reworked.
So again, there has never been a waterfowl hunter shot by a pheasant hunter. According to the WDFW, there is no safety concern WHATSOEVER. Why make up a safety concern where one doesn't exist? The reason pheasant hunters wear orange, I was told last year, is to keep them from shooting their partners in a sweep.
And, in making a suggestion a changing anything to do with regulations, hunting days and hours, alternating days, etc., I was completely rebuffed for the suggestions in a thread that lasted for weeks last year. The reasons given were all tied to the regulations already being to complicated, giving the DFW a reason to raise rates, taking away hunting opportunities (even 1 day a week). We've been through this and hunters here say they don't want change. I was the proponent for change last year. I got the full brunt of the blows from the majority of other hunters. I heard their voices and have joined them.
Post by: ghosthunter on November 27, 2012, 12:01:11 PM
They made a release site on some private ground in Skagit county and the neighbors are having a fit. Letters to the editor every week. Some demanding the state pick the birds up and take them away.
I like both upland and waterfowl. But push come to shove I would rather waterfowl because the season is longer and the timing is right. And let us not forget the $90.00 card required to hunt pheasant on the west side.
I don't want to see either go away. But in tough budget times, raising birds so that a very few people can blast them doesn't sit well with the general public.
Not looking for a fight just my observations.
Post by: quadrafire on November 27, 2012, 12:05:40 PM
My ignorance. How many release sites are there on the west side? How many birds released daily/weekly? I would love to see a pic of all the hunters and dogs waiting in line to "take off" at 8am.
Stilly that point in your avatar is great.
Post by: Curly on November 27, 2012, 12:14:06 PM
So again, there has never been a waterfowl hunter shot by a pheasant hunter. According to the WDFW, there is no safety concern WHATSOEVER. Why make up a safety concern where one doesn't exist?
KevinP (the original poster in this thread) might disagree. There are likely several cases like Kevin's but they don't get reported.
Kevin believes he was shot at intentionally though (if I'm understanding him correctly). So, if he was shot intentionally, then it really is a different issue......likely a pheasant hunter pissed at the waterfowler. :dunno:
But whether it was intentional peppering or an accident, I suppose he did get shot.........sort of. It was far enough away that the shot had lost most of its energy, so maybe it really shouldn't count as a "shooting".
Another idea, besides restricting duck hunter access until December, would be to restrict upland bird hunters entry until say 9:30AM. That would give waterfowlers from daylight to 9:30 to kill ducks. Just an idea. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 12:37:20 PM
So again, there has never been a waterfowl hunter shot by a pheasant hunter. According to the WDFW, there is no safety concern WHATSOEVER. Why make up a safety concern where one doesn't exist?
KevinP (the original poster in this thread) might disagree. There are likely several cases like Kevin's but they don't get reported.
Kevin believes he was shot at intentionally though (if I'm understanding him correctly). So, if he was shot intentionally, then it really is a different issue......likely a pheasant hunter pissed at the waterfowler. :dunno:
But whether it was intentional peppering or an accident, I suppose he did get shot.........sort of. It was far enough away that the shot had lost most of its energy, so maybe it really shouldn't count as a "shooting".
Another idea, besides restricting duck hunter access until December, would be to restrict upland bird hunters entry until say 9:30AM. That would give waterfowlers from daylight to 9:30 to kill ducks. Just an idea. :twocents:
Intentional shooting is a criminal activity, not a safety issue. And again, I was pushing for change on this last year and was rebuffed for it.
Post by: Fishnclifff on November 27, 2012, 12:48:21 PM
Pheasant hunter turned on the guy pickin up the disk plow in the field.
Blew out the back window of the tractor and hit the guy in the neck.
*censored* ran away like a coward.
This stuff happened at Stanwood all the time.
We duck hunted in a well known blind and pheasant hunters would walk right into our decoys, then turn out into the fields, instead of walking out into the fields directly.
2 duck hunters were shot and injured by pheasant hunters there. Both ran away like cowards. 1 was caught later and charged. He even bragged about bagging one of those *censored* duck hunters.
Everyone thinks they "own" their hunting grounds, even when it is public land.
I don't see this ending soon.
Just too much " it's mine" mentality.
Post by: Curly on November 27, 2012, 12:49:00 PM
So again, there has never been a waterfowl hunter shot by a pheasant hunter. According to the WDFW, there is no safety concern WHATSOEVER. Why make up a safety concern where one doesn't exist?
KevinP (the original poster in this thread) might disagree. There are likely several cases like Kevin's but they don't get reported.
Kevin believes he was shot at intentionally though (if I'm understanding him correctly). So, if he was shot intentionally, then it really is a different issue......likely a pheasant hunter pissed at the waterfowler. :dunno:
But whether it was intentional peppering or an accident, I suppose he did get shot.........sort of. It was far enough away that the shot had lost most of its energy, so maybe it really shouldn't count as a "shooting".
Another idea, besides restricting duck hunter access until December, would be to restrict upland bird hunters entry until say 9:30AM. That would give waterfowlers from daylight to 9:30 to kill ducks. Just an idea. :twocents:
Intentional shooting is a criminal activity, not a safety issue. And again, I was pushing for change on this last year and was rebuffed for it.
Yeah, I know. It just seems that the OP thinks the pheasant hunter intentionally shot him; if so, then a lot of this discussion is moot re: safety issues. Then it would be an issue about anger from one user group toward another.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 12:51:39 PM
Happened the last time I hunted Shillapoo.
Pheasant hunter turned on the guy pickin up the disk plow in the field.
Blew out the back window of the tractor and hit the guy in the neck.
*censored* ran away like a coward.
This stuff happened at Stanwood all the time.
We duck hunted in a well known blind and pheasant hunters would walk right into our decoys, then turn out into the fields, instead of walking out into the fields directly.
2 duck hunters were shot and injured by pheasant hunters there. Both ran away like cowards. 1 was caught later and charged. He even bragged about bagging one of those *censored* duck hunters.
Everyone thinks they "own" their hunting grounds, even when it is public land.
I don't see this ending soon.
Just too much " it's mine" mentality.
Were these accidents all this year or did they go unreported to the WDFW? When I talked to them a year ago, there were supposedly no safety issues between waterfowl and pheasant hunters with no incidents reported. I actually emailed to wildthing I believe, and got back a response on that.
Post by: CP on November 27, 2012, 12:57:58 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 12:59:11 PM
The OP’s story doesn’t hold water. Putting together the pieces it looks like he was trespassing into the area while it was closed and he was poaching ducks. While he was there some spent shot rained on him. BFD –
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: And, they're off!
Post by: bobcat on November 27, 2012, 01:01:12 PM
I've hunted release sites here on the west side, and I've hunted wild birds on the east side. There's no comparison.
I live right across the road from a popular release site, and it's actually embarrassing trying to explain to non-hunters what goes on out there.
To me it's a program that just doesn't make sense anymore. How about taking the time and money that is used for the westside pheasant release sites, and instead put it towards habitat improvement on the eastside of the state?
Post by: Curly on November 27, 2012, 01:06:20 PM
I really do wish the state would get out of the pheasant farming business. The release sites could still be used for dog training, or getting new hunters their first bird hunting experience. People would simply have to buy their own birds and put them out before their "hunt.":yeah:
I've hunted release sites here on the west side, and I've hunted wild birds on the east side. There's no comparison.
I live right across the road from a popular release site, and it's actually embarrassing trying to explain to non-hunters what goes on out there.
To me it's a program that just doesn't make sense anymore. How about taking the time and money that is used for the westside pheasant release sites, and instead put it towards habitat improvement on the eastside of the state?
I also agree with Ghosthunter. The pheasant release program on the West side probably won't last much longer.
Post by: Kola16 on November 27, 2012, 01:23:11 PM
And there is definitely safety issues. Someone could go blind :yike: :bdid:
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 01:27:56 PM
pianoman...why do you keep bringing up last year :dunno: Now is not last year :dunno:
And there is definitely safety issues. Someone could go blind :yike: :bdid:
Because we had the exact same discussion last year and I was the one who initiated it with the idea that we should do something to avoid conflict and safety problems. The result was that very few of the posters wanted to have regs and opportunities changed. It's pertinent to this discussion in that it was almost identical in every aspect except my position, which changed to reflect the attitude of the majority - don't request to change a thing, giving the DFW the opportunity to take stuff away, further confuse regulations, and charge us more money.
Post by: Kola16 on November 27, 2012, 01:52:38 PM
Post by: Fishnclifff on November 27, 2012, 02:04:27 PM
Happened the last time I hunted Shillapoo.
Pheasant hunter turned on the guy pickin up the disk plow in the field.
Blew out the back window of the tractor and hit the guy in the neck.
*censored* ran away like a coward.
This stuff happened at Stanwood all the time.
We duck hunted in a well known blind and pheasant hunters would walk right into our decoys, then turn out into the fields, instead of walking out into the fields directly.
2 duck hunters were shot and injured by pheasant hunters there. Both ran away like cowards. 1 was caught later and charged. He even bragged about bagging one of those *censored* duck hunters.
Everyone thinks they "own" their hunting grounds, even when it is public land.
I don't see this ending soon.
Just too much " it's mine" mentality.
Were these accidents all this year or did they go unreported to the WDFW? When I talked to them a year ago, there were supposedly no safety issues between waterfowl and pheasant hunters with no incidents reported. I actually emailed to wildthing I believe, and got back a response on that.
Happened a few years ago.
Leo's and WDFW was involved.
I helped do medical on scene on both.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 27, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
Happened the last time I hunted Shillapoo.
Pheasant hunter turned on the guy pickin up the disk plow in the field.
Blew out the back window of the tractor and hit the guy in the neck.
*censored* ran away like a coward.
This stuff happened at Stanwood all the time.
We duck hunted in a well known blind and pheasant hunters would walk right into our decoys, then turn out into the fields, instead of walking out into the fields directly.
2 duck hunters were shot and injured by pheasant hunters there. Both ran away like cowards. 1 was caught later and charged. He even bragged about bagging one of those *censored* duck hunters.
Everyone thinks they "own" their hunting grounds, even when it is public land.
I don't see this ending soon.
Just too much " it's mine" mentality.
Were these accidents all this year or did they go unreported to the WDFW? When I talked to them a year ago, there were supposedly no safety issues between waterfowl and pheasant hunters with no incidents reported. I actually emailed to wildthing I believe, and got back a response on that.
Happened a few years ago.
Leo's and WDFW was involved.
I helped do medical on scene on both.
Interesting. I've been trying to find that email and can't. I changed email programs two months ago and lost a lot of history. They definitely responded that there were no safety concerns between pheasant and waterfowl hunters using the same areas.
Post by: Fishnclifff on November 27, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
Pheasant hunters would be standing in the field " holding their spot" at sun-up.
Some of them got cited, but most were buddies with the gammie, so he looked the other way.
Sometimes he came out and and checked us, then give us *censored* for complaining, we just told him to F- off.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 03:17:26 PM
Stanwood was a war zone for years.
Pheasant hunters would be standing in the field " holding their spot" at sun-up.
Some of them got cited, but most were buddies with the gammie, so he looked the other way.
Sometimes he came out and and checked us, then give us *censored* for complaining, we just told him to F- off.
If this is true then prime example of why there needs to be changes. And eliminating the pheasant release program just because you don't participate in it should not be the change. Common sense solutions that would help keep the program going and also benefit duck hunters have been listed above numerous times by pheasant hunters who realize the importance of pheasant hunting opportunity on the west side.
Post by: CP on November 27, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
The duck hunters stayed in the parking lot with the pheasant hunters until 8:00am. We all chatted and got along. We let the parties with kids go out first and we followed about 5 minutes later. No one got shot. It was all good. That my last release site hunt for this year but I’ll be back next season.
I also took two brand new hunters out on release site hunts this year. I was able to put both of them on enough bird encounters that they were able to get their first birds with their limited reaction times and marginal shooting skills. They both enjoyed themselves and will most likely stick with the sport and move on to more challenging hunting experiences.
These sites have their place and can work very well if everyone will just exercise some common sense.
Post by: ICEMAN on November 27, 2012, 03:30:27 PM
Post by: grundy53 on November 27, 2012, 03:33:11 PM
I really do wish the state would get out of the pheasant farming business. The release sites could still be used for dog training, or getting new hunters their first bird hunting experience. People would simply have to buy their own birds and put them out before their "hunt.":yeah:
I've hunted release sites here on the west side, and I've hunted wild birds on the east side. There's no comparison.
I live right across the road from a popular release site, and it's actually embarrassing trying to explain to non-hunters what goes on out there.
To me it's a program that just doesn't make sense anymore. How about taking the time and money that is used for the westside pheasant release sites, and instead put it towards habitat improvement on the eastside of the state?
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
I was checked at 7:58am on Thanksgiving morning at a one of the other release sites. The officer was very interested if anyone was trying to “jump the gun” as she put it. But everyone was polite and waiting patiently for 8:00am to roll around so she went about her business.
The duck hunters stayed in the parking lot with the pheasant hunters until 8:00am. We all chatted and got along. We let the parties with kids go out first and we followed about 5 minutes later. No one got shot. It was all good. That my last release site hunt for this year but I’ll be back next season.
I also took two brand new hunters out on release site hunts this year. I was able to put both of them on enough bird encounters that they were able to get their first birds with their limited reaction times and marginal shooting skills. They both enjoyed themselves and will most likely stick with the sport and move on to more challenging hunting experiences.
These sites have their place and can work very well if everyone will just exercise some common sense.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 03:43:55 PM
I really do wish the state would get out of the pheasant farming business. The release sites could still be used for dog training, or getting new hunters their first bird hunting experience. People would simply have to buy their own birds and put them out before their "hunt.":yeah:
I've hunted release sites here on the west side, and I've hunted wild birds on the east side. There's no comparison.
I live right across the road from a popular release site, and it's actually embarrassing trying to explain to non-hunters what goes on out there.
To me it's a program that just doesn't make sense anymore. How about taking the time and money that is used for the westside pheasant release sites, and instead put it towards habitat improvement on the eastside of the state?
Where would the money come from for habitat improvement? Maybe they should charge everyone an extra $90 on there licenses if they get out of the pheasant farming business? They are all set up for it now with incubators,pens etc etc it would be a shame throw all that away now.
Post by: bobcat on November 27, 2012, 03:48:39 PM
Quote
Where would the money come from for habitat improvement? Maybe they charge everyone an extra $90 on there licenses if they get out of the pheasant farming business? They are all set up for it now with incubators,pens etc etc it would be a shame throw all that away.
I seriously doubt that the $90 fee that each pheasant hunter pays, covers the entire cost of the pheasant release site program.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
QuoteWhere would the money come from for habitat improvement? Maybe they charge everyone an extra $90 on there licenses if they get out of the pheasant farming business? They are all set up for it now with incubators,pens etc etc it would be a shame throw all that away.
I seriously doubt that the $90 fee that each pheasant hunter pays, covers the entire cost of the pheasant release site program.
It's been mentioned to me by program managers that it does. It's a self sustaining program.
Post by: CP on November 27, 2012, 04:02:00 PM
QuoteWhere would the money come from for habitat improvement? Maybe they charge everyone an extra $90 on there licenses if they get out of the pheasant farming business? They are all set up for it now with incubators,pens etc etc it would be a shame throw all that away.
I seriously doubt that the $90 fee that each pheasant hunter pays, covers the entire cost of the pheasant release site program.
It's been mentioned to me by program managers that it does. It's a self sustaining program.
I’ve been told it actually turns a profit. It would be interesting to see the data though.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
Post by: Bmcox86 on November 27, 2012, 06:03:51 PM
Post by: MP123 on November 27, 2012, 06:09:44 PM
I've heard the program is self sustaining too but it would be nice to see the figures.
Post by: Bullkllr on November 27, 2012, 06:11:09 PM
But please, before getting all philosophical on the ethics or endorsing new laws (like we need more), reconsider letting common sense apply.
I've been an avid waterfowler and upland hunter here in WWashington for about 40 years.
I can not conceive of going to a release site, on a weekend, during pheasant season, and trying to kill ducks. The whole thought is ridiculous.
I don't know the set-up at the site in question, but at most release sites hunters are required to wait until 8:00 am on the road or at a signed area. Let's duck hunt 30 yards from there...wtf...
My apologies to the op if you were sprayed intentionally. Otherwise, it would not be a suprise.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
I haven't had any problems with getting peppered or other hunters. I still hunt on the east side for quail and chucks every few weeks but if not for the release program would of not got my dog in shape as quick and doing as good as he is now. I hope the program stays around atleast for the 3 years I got left here, I know my dog sure loves it.
Yep it's all about the dog! It's all about training them to their full potential,seeing them work and be happy, that's what it's all about :tup:.
Post by: Kola16 on November 27, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
Can't we all just live together in peace?
Boooooooooooooooorring :P :chuckle:
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 06:18:59 PM
Well, if it hasn't been said already, it may not need to be said...
But please, before getting all philosophical on the ethics or endorsing new laws (like we need more), reconsider letting common sense apply.
I've been an avid waterfowler and upland hunter here in WWashington for about 40 years.
I can not conceive of going to a release site, on a weekend, during pheasant season, and trying to kill ducks. The whole thought is ridiculous.
I don't know the set-up at the site in question, but at most release sites hunters are required to wait until 8:00 am on the road or at a signed area. Let's duck hunt 30 yards from there...wtf...
My apologies to the op if you were sprayed intentionally. Otherwise, it would not be a suprise.
Sounds fair to me, but over crowding is the root of most problems
Post by: singleshot12 on November 27, 2012, 06:19:55 PM
Can't we all just live together in peace?
Boooooooooooooooorring :P :chuckle:
Too many rats in a cage
Post by: Stilly bay on November 27, 2012, 06:57:01 PM
I've been an avid waterfowler and upland hunter here in WWashington for about 40 years.
I can not conceive of going to a release site, on a weekend, during pheasant season, and trying to kill ducks. The whole thought is ridiculous.
I don't know the set-up at the site in question, but at most release sites hunters are required to wait until 8:00 am on the road or at a signed area. Let's duck hunt 30 yards from there...wtf...
exactly! the trouble is common sense isn't too common these days.
I have a site near my house, hit it 3-4 times a week. $90 is a bargain, can hardly buy chicken that cheap plus the dog gets some fun. I'd happily pay more but don't tell anyone ;)
I've heard the program is self sustaining too but it would be nice to see the figures.
I have heard they are turning a profit also.
pheasant release sites are not unique to washington. many other states participate but their license fees are much lower. PA for instance charges $20.00 for an adult hunting license, with that license you may hunt pheasants, you don't have to buy a $90 tag. I don't know if their stocking program releases as many birds as ours but I know a few people from PA that are quite happy with the way the system works.
CT just tried to do away with their program which charged hunters a whopping $28.00 to play, they soon found out dropping the program didn't save them any money at all.
this state has more hunters than it knows what to do with, especially when it comes to the pheasant release program. its really hard to believe its a financial burden. we pay more for licenses in this state than most others and we get fewer opportunities with more competition, we should have the best of the best where management is concerned for all the money we puke out yearly, but its lacking.
I never thought the day would come when there would need to be release sites in eastern Wa, but pheasant populations are dropping and what is left is being absorbed into private land. the way things are going release sites and pen raised birds will be the standard and wild birds will be a novelty- not just in is state but many of the other pheasant destinations. many lodges in SD plant birds for hunters that have traveled thousands of miles to witness their amazing pheasant population.
this is why we need to procure more land on the westside NOW rather than later. insurance costs have choked out all most all of the legit hunting preserves on the west side of the state. Im sure some type of insurance hangs in the balance with the release sites. :dunno: if we wait on it too long buying land and insurance be financially impossible.
Post by: bush_beater on November 27, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
This sounds like Skaters vs BMXers at the skate park. :chuckle: :tung:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
actually, theyve teamed up against the razr!
Post by: singleshot12 on November 28, 2012, 07:22:07 AM
And I think most people would willingly fork out more than the $90 if the program could be improved with better hunting conditions. More suitable sites need to be established to help dispurse the hunters :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on November 28, 2012, 07:28:38 AM
A few thoughts...
1. I don't see how arguing between our factions helps us as a whole in a declining sport vying for dwindling resources.
2. The release program used to run on a punch-card system that wasn't paying the bills, thus the $90 license. My 13 pheasant this season would have cost me around $480 including tax if I paid for them from Cooke Canyon, for example. My per-bird cost on the state program is over 5 times cheaper, not even factoring in gas or cost of membership.
3. If it wasn't for the Fort Lewis release site, I would not have been able to teach myself how to hunt. I would not have developed my dog to his full capability, and I would not have had that fire in me that keeps me hunting every available moment with my family... both ditch chickens and wild birds in E. WA, Idaho, etc. My wife, who used to be averse to hunting would not be asking me for an over-under for christmas. I would not have taught my dad or his dog to hunt pheasants, either. These sites can be good, and maybe they aren't perfect and we don't hear about the good stuff, but I have made many priceless friends and memories out there. Stilly's sentiments earlier made me realize how grateful I am that this program, warts and all, exists.
4. Two wrongs don't make a right.
good post. enlightening to me
Post by: sidexside on November 28, 2012, 12:21:22 PM
Post by: Atroxus on November 28, 2012, 01:39:06 PM
No, the Westside Pheasant Release Program does not turn a profit. It actually generates less revenue after the price increase and elimination of the punch cards due to decreased participation. It is closer to self-funded than any other state program, but it is not turning a proft.
Have any data to back that up? I am genuinely curious. :dunno:
Post by: fethrduster on November 28, 2012, 03:23:59 PM
I really do wish the state would get out of the pheasant farming business. The release sites could still be used for dog training, or getting new hunters their first bird hunting experience. People would simply have to buy their own birds and put them out before their "hunt."
I've hunted release sites here on the west side, and I've hunted wild birds on the east side. There's no comparison.
I live right across the road from a popular release site, and it's actually embarrassing trying to explain to non-hunters what goes on out there.
To me it's a program that just doesn't make sense anymore. How about taking the time and money that is used for the westside pheasant release sites, and instead put it towards habitat improvement on the eastside of the state?
I couldn't disagree more about their value to hunters on the west side. Of course they aren't wild birds. No one pretends that they are. But to be able to go out within a half hour of my house and get my dog some work on a bunch of birds, keeping him tuned up in between eastside upland hunts, has great value. And they're delicious too! I've even been taking a client out with me, since he doesn't have a dog, and he loves it, since he hasn't hunted in about ten years and it gave him a reason to get back into it. He's 67. We limited several times together in 20-30 minutes. He had a blast, and so did I. For some west side hunters like my client friend, it's the only upland opportunity they have. We should try to be finding ways to expand it and make it better, not ridicule it and diminish its value.
Post by: red solo cup on November 28, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
Snoqualmie Wildlife Area Hunting Hours Reinstated
Hunting hours from 8am to 4pm have been reinstated for all hunters on the following units: Stillwater, Cherry Valley, Crescent Lake. This will be in effect during the Western Washington Pheasant Season. For the rest of the hunting season normal hunting hours, half hour before sunrise to half hour after sunset, will apply.
Post by: Curly on November 28, 2012, 03:37:30 PM
This is off of the WDFW web sight and I called the FW in mill creek to ask them and they said that Ebey island is not on the 8am to 4pm hour restrictions.
Snoqualmie Wildlife Area Hunting Hours Reinstated
Hunting hours from 8am to 4pm have been reinstated for all hunters on the following units: Stillwater, Cherry Valley, Crescent Lake. This will be in effect during the Western Washington Pheasant Season. For the rest of the hunting season normal hunting hours, half hour before sunrise to half hour after sunset, will apply.
So, this sign is gone now? :
sign (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=111017.0;attach=232526;image)
Post by: Stilly bay on November 28, 2012, 03:41:30 PM
:yeah: WTF?This is off of the WDFW web sight and I called the FW in mill creek to ask them and they said that Ebey island is not on the 8am to 4pm hour restrictions.
Snoqualmie Wildlife Area Hunting Hours Reinstated
Hunting hours from 8am to 4pm have been reinstated for all hunters on the following units: Stillwater, Cherry Valley, Crescent Lake. This will be in effect during the Western Washington Pheasant Season. For the rest of the hunting season normal hunting hours, half hour before sunrise to half hour after sunset, will apply.
So, this sign is gone now? :
sign (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=111017.0;attach=232526;image)
Post by: red solo cup on November 28, 2012, 03:41:43 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 28, 2012, 05:37:00 PM
"The general western Washington hunting season lasts from late September to November 30 each year (see hunting pamphlet for details). Hunting is allowed from 8:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m. each day. Some areas do not release birds throughout the season due to flooding or other conflicts."
Also-
"There are several safety issues that hunters should be aware of while hunting on release sites. The sites are usually fairly crowded and often relatively close to houses or other types of recreation. Hunter
orange must be worn by hunters using release sites. Be aware of Safety Zones signs and stay away
from areas posted as such. Other instructions and information will be posted at release sites."
Note bold type sections do not specify which hunters get to choose to be in the field early, late or whether you have an option to wear orange depending on the species you are targeting.
Red Solo Cup- why would you assume that hunting hour signage was not supposed to be there? Or if that same sign were to disappear, how that is a valid point?
Post by: Stilly bay on November 28, 2012, 05:53:09 PM
Hunter
orange must be worn by hunters using release sites. Be aware of Safety Zones signs and stay away
from areas posted as such. Other instructions and information will be posted at release sites."
Note bold type sections do not specify which hunters get to choose to be in the field early, late or whether you have an option to wear orange depending on the species you are targeting.
:yike: Absolutely amazing. so duck hunters are supposed to wear orange at a release site ( according to this) afterall... I wonder why it isn't being enforced whatsoever?
can anyone supply evidence to prove this otherwise?
thanks for finding that huntingfool7.
WDFW needs to be contacted, and this whole mare's nest could be avoided by some well placed signs and maybe a little more coverage in the hunting pamphlet.
thats pretty much caps it, all the duck hunters using the release sites without orange have been breaking the law all these years. were all going to live happily ever after!
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 28, 2012, 06:08:11 PM
Post by: Stilly bay on November 28, 2012, 06:28:00 PM
I vividly remember the first time I ever tried to duck hunt on a release site. I was dropped off in the parking lot and saw a sign that plainly stated "all hunters must wear orange between 8:00am and 4:00pm." I had to walk back to town and use a pay phone to call my mom so she could bring me my orange vest. I still managed to kill a couple ducks, but I remember thinking that you would have to be desperate to actually want to hunt ducks there.
the regs at the time said the same thing, yet I never saw a duck hunter wearing orange on the release site...
even the regulations now are vague. it makes no mention of having to wear orange any where but in the pheasant section and I doubt many duck hunters bone up on rules for something they have no intention of hunting.
they really need to put up some signs and make the rules in the book a little more clear, it would save a lot of heartburn.
Post by: Kola16 on November 28, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
Hunter
orange must be worn by hunters using release sites.
:yike: I never knew that. Can anyone find what page it is on in the regs :dunno:
Post by: csaaphill on November 28, 2012, 06:49:49 PM
kind of sounds like whoever shot at them were pissed cuss they were in there before 8am. Even if so, they're damn lucky no one reported it or hasn't yet. My luck if it'd been me I'd of been strung up and be awaiting trial dang.
Anyways ya they should of waitied I guess and could of gotten a ticket as well but that sure beats 15yrs :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Stilly bay on November 28, 2012, 07:25:01 PM
Hunter
orange must be worn by hunters using release sites.
:yike: I never knew that. Can anyone find what page it is on in the regs :dunno:
its really obscure. in the waterfowl and upland pamphlet page 34 has a small blurb about release sites (of which there are only 25) it gives you a link you can follow - if you really feel like typing it in.
it will eventually lead you to the western washington pheasant release program page http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/pheasant/western/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/pheasant/western/)
where it is clearly stated in the ninth paragraph down.
like I said, real obscure, -but it is in the opening pages of the WWPRP booklet/pdf so I would imagine if your planning on visiting a release site it would behoove you to read up on them even if your not hunting pheasants.
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 28, 2012, 08:22:10 PM
Fact 1. We got out there early just before 715 to set up our decoys and see what kind of birds were moving around. We were not hunting before 8.Kevinp's previous post states, "It was stright on as we got hit hit from our legs to our shoulders on one side of our bodies. I just dont understand the hunters that will sit and wait 30 yards from our set up with their dogs barking for 8:00 to come around and dont think it will interrupt our hunt?? We respect other hunters and dont shoot if people are in the area where we think we might pepper them with falling shot, but to have 8:00 come around and have Pheasent hunters walk 20 yards right in front of us and past our decoys like we're not even there is a joke. Maybe next time we'll just shoot anyways and see how they feel afterwards."
fact2. We have every right to be out there. We understand it's a release site and respect that. It's when pheasent hunts dont give a crap about us and think they own the land.
And finally, the hunter that shot at us knew we were there. He watched us standing on the edge of the field drinking coffee just before 8. It was a direct shot at us through some thick brush. No i dont have pellets in my skin, but marks on my decoy bag. I was wearing multiple layers thank god.
I would hope to see other hunters show as much respect to other hunters as we do. Doesn't matter what your hunting for, we're all hunting and enjoying being out there.
There is a lot to look at here but my main issue is with the assertion that the OP was shot intentionally. If you preview the last 11 pages you'll find that the "us vs. them" statements come from the OP. I don't believe that he was shot intentionally. I don't know anyone nor have I talked to anyone that has ever been hostile toward duck hunters at release sites. Even if there was some sort of animosity, I don't believe that it would rise to a road rage like incident.
1. The OP states that he (wrongly) was in the field ahead of the pheasant hunters before hours.
2. I'm assuming that the OP was camoed up and not wearing orange.
3. The OP was hiden behind "thick brush".
4. The shot that struck the OP caused no injury and by his own description was "falling shot".
If the OP was shot directly and intentionally at 30 yds he would have sustained some injury regardless of thick brush/heavy clothes and he would not have characterized it as "falling shot".
I take issue with sensationalizing this minor incident into a criminal act on a public forum.
This is not a user group, us vs. them problem.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 28, 2012, 08:38:10 PM
Post by: Stilly bay on November 28, 2012, 08:40:08 PM
Fact 1. We got out there early just before 715 to set up our decoys and see what kind of birds were moving around. We were not hunting before 8.Kevinp's previous post states, "It was stright on as we got hit hit from our legs to our shoulders on one side of our bodies. I just dont understand the hunters that will sit and wait 30 yards from our set up with their dogs barking for 8:00 to come around and dont think it will interrupt our hunt?? We respect other hunters and dont shoot if people are in the area where we think we might pepper them with falling shot, but to have 8:00 come around and have Pheasent hunters walk 20 yards right in front of us and past our decoys like we're not even there is a joke. Maybe next time we'll just shoot anyways and see how they feel afterwards."
fact2. We have every right to be out there. We understand it's a release site and respect that. It's when pheasent hunts dont give a crap about us and think they own the land.
And finally, the hunter that shot at us knew we were there. He watched us standing on the edge of the field drinking coffee just before 8. It was a direct shot at us through some thick brush. No i dont have pellets in my skin, but marks on my decoy bag. I was wearing multiple layers thank god.
I would hope to see other hunters show as much respect to other hunters as we do. Doesn't matter what your hunting for, we're all hunting and enjoying being out there.
There is a lot to look at here but my main issue is with the assertion that the OP was shot intentionally. If you preview the last 11 pages you'll find that the "us vs. them" statements come from the OP. I don't believe that he was shot intentionally. I don't know anyone nor have I talked to anyone that has ever been hostile toward duck hunters at release sites. Even if there was some sort of animosity, I don't believe that it would rise to a road rage like incident.
1. The OP states that he (wrongly) was in the field ahead of the pheasant hunters before hours.
2. I'm assuming that the OP was camoed up and not wearing orange.
3. The OP was hiden behind "thick brush".
4. The shot that struck the OP caused no injury and by his own description was "falling shot".
If the OP was shot directly and intentionally at 30 yds he would have sustained some injury regardless of thick brush/heavy clothes and he would not have characterized it as "falling shot".
I take issue with sensationalizing this minor incident into a criminal act on a public forum.
This is not a user group, us vs. them problem.
x1000
the OP's original story is full of holes and contradictions. and where is the OP in the last ten pages to set the record straight or elaborate on what really happened?
on the bright side his little internet rave up has sparked some healthy debate and possible solutions to old problems.
I would like to thank the OP since his original post lead us to find out that it might actually be illegal for duck hunters not to wear orange on the release sites after all. bringing that to light will solve many a conflict and maybe circumvent future injuries.
Post by: wildweeds on November 28, 2012, 09:20:01 PM
The other thing that is funny is that on two of those properties there used to be native WILD ringneck populations as well as many other locations in this county.Management people management,control the predators,supply the feed curb the harvest and they will survive.I've worked inside the BP refinery fence for years,I've seen 2 dozen pheasants,hens and roosters feeding in the straw shredded for erosion control on tore up dirt for projects more than once,most times the sightings occured in the spring well after hunting season and winter,I've seen hens and chicks too.Chainlink fence= predator control,Shredded straw=feed...................Non native species=non wdfw management plan.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 28, 2012, 09:25:40 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 29, 2012, 05:45:25 AM
Wow! very interesting, we need more Pheasant Forever people here to help compete with all the DU folks it sounds like.This has been the most educating thread i've read in a long time :tup:
Yes, great idea. We should get all of the hunting groups to oppose each other in their individual interests so the antis can take a vacation and sit back and watch. Very good idea! :tup:
Post by: singleshot12 on November 29, 2012, 07:56:55 AM
Post by: Kola16 on November 29, 2012, 08:15:42 AM
so I would imagine if your planning on visiting a release site it would behoove you to read up on them even if your not hunting pheasants.
Umm, no! Not even when pheasant is over!
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 29, 2012, 08:39:07 AM
Good sarcastic point again P! They apparently already oppose each other. Too bad it comes down to the majority and $ on who determines gets full access to any public land with a puddle on it. We as hunters should all be working together for the common good.
Some are unsportsmanlike, yes. That certainly doesn't cover all of the hunters out there; not even a large minority. We should be working together, you're absolutely right. Your previous comment speaks of working against and using our individual groups to apply pressure on each other. As a matter of fact, your focus since the beginning of this has at times been contentious and extremely disrespectful of your fellow hunters. This kind of contention and disrespect is exactly what causes many of the problems that happen at these public hunting areas.
Post by: BK Dave on November 29, 2012, 08:48:32 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 29, 2012, 08:52:00 AM
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Absolutely correct. I'm done. Thanks for bringing me back to reality, BK. :tup:
Post by: Stilly bay on November 29, 2012, 11:54:02 AM
Absolutely correct. I'm done. Thanks for bringing me back to reality, BK. :tup:
you will be back.
typical Pboy. he has been proven dead wrong on two accounts now, so he is going to pack up his toys and go home... but not before throwing a tantrum by attacking the debater instead of the debate with some sanctimonious passive agressive declaration about "how we should all get along"- while at the same time you yourself are guilty of the same accusations you are making.
Some are unsportsmanlike, yes. That certainly doesn't cover all of the hunters out there; not even a large minority. We should be working together, you're absolutely right. Your previous comment speaks of working against and using our individual groups to apply pressure on each other. As a matter of fact, your focus since the beginning of this has at times been contentious and extremely disrespectful of your fellow hunters. This kind of contention and disrespect is exactly what causes many of the problems that happen at these public hunting areas.
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Yes, great idea. We should get all of the hunting groups to oppose each other in their individual interests so the antis can take a vacation and sit back and watch. Very good idea! :tup:The above statement is pure paranoia. its not like pheasant hunters and duck hunters are going to war or even having a rumble in the alley. the biggest threat to hunting is losing the people that are NOT against it, but do not hunt themselves. best way to lose them is for them to read about other hunters getting shot or accidentally shooting non hunters.
if all the different hunting groups don't have their own voice for their different interests they will lose out. its not about separation its a bout representation. if the duck hunters don't speak up they will lose out and if a group as small as the pheasant hunters doesn't speak up they will most certainly lose out as well. thank god we have nonprofit organizations in our own corners to protect our individual group interests.
this is why we have so many different facets of representation in Government, because you will never have large groups of people agreeing with each other. everything must be hashed out and classified down so that compromises can be made in the hopes of finding a solution everyone can live with. but I thought you knew that, after all that "kumbaya" you were singing one here when the election was over.
at the end of the day were all hunters, and Kindred spirits in one way or another, if we can't debate and argue with each other to find solutions who can we argue with. its never as black and white as you seem to paint it pianoman. (get it, black and white... piano? ...oh never mind)
Post by: singleshot12 on November 29, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
Your previous comment speaks of working against and using our individual groups to apply pressure on each other. As a matter of fact, your focus since the beginning of this has at times been contentious and extremely disrespectful of your fellow hunters. This kind of contention and disrespect is exactly what causes many of the problems that happen at these public hunting areas.:bs: again
The only disrespect would be directed towards someone who seems to get their jollies spinning a logical point. Some think it's moronic but I think it's sad that a fellow so-called outdoorsman could be that bored sitting behind his computer all day long.
And shame on me for giving you several chances and biting to your non-sense.. spin away
Post by: CP on November 29, 2012, 12:17:28 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 29, 2012, 12:20:32 PM
Post by: Stilly bay on November 29, 2012, 12:34:04 PM
It will eventually die on its own. Just has to have a couple more death spasms
funny, I thought after all these different pages, this thread was actually getting somewhere before pianoman chimed back with his attack.
personally I am hoping for 20 more pages. if the right people get chance to see it and see through all the BS changes might be made.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 29, 2012, 12:36:53 PM
Post by: Kola16 on November 30, 2012, 06:02:27 PM
its never as black and white as you seem to paint it pianoman. (get it, black and white... piano? ...oh never mind)
Ok, that was a little funny :chuckle:
Post by: 2dognight on December 02, 2012, 08:46:59 PM
I have seen this happen many times. i am not even sure this guy was duck hunting, just put on camo and sat by the lake with his dog until 8. then he'd put on his orange vest and go to it. all in clear view of the other hunters waiting at the line for legal time.The 8 to 4 hours are to give the volunteers that plant the pheasants an option on planting in the morning or evening. If you could be in the field early, you'd have some people following the volunteer around the field.
Not to mention you could have a duck hunter quick throw on some orange and blast pheasants before the other (legit) pheasant hunters could run into the field. Wouldn't suprise me on westside public land :chuckle:
Post by: TrekJeff on January 19, 2013, 07:29:09 PM
Here in MI we have overlapping deer seasons. Archery and an early youth rifle hunt over lap. During normal archery a hunter can in the field without orange, but when a gun season overlaps, ALL must wear orange.
As far as the "preserve" hunts...what pheasant population we once head here in MI is on a very slow recovery, but as to invest time in hunting wild birds, you'd be better off hunting grouse and woodcock. BUT I've been on plenty of "meat hunts" at preserves. You guys hit it on the head regarding the benefits of a put and take hunt...dog training, young/old hunters etc.
I was stationed at Bangor in the early 90's and hope to move back out to the Sound area. It's good to know there's controversy out your way too :tup:
Post by: Kola16 on January 19, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
Post by: JLS on January 19, 2013, 07:32:45 PM
Just like herpes....
Post by: TrekJeff on January 19, 2013, 07:36:14 PM
:chuckle: You brought this back up :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
oops talk about a rookie move....
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 19, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
I was stationed at Bangor in the early 90's and hope to move back out to the Sound area. It's good to know there's controversy out your way too :tup:Bangor of the early 90's and that of today are quite different. Good luck on where you decide upon though.
Post by: Stilly bay on January 19, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
:chuckle: You brought this back up :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
oops talk about a rookie move....
you get a freebie because of your dog.
Post by: TrekJeff on January 19, 2013, 08:07:06 PM