Post by: FamilyMan01 on November 26, 2012, 09:30:57 AM
Not looking for a honey hole, just some decent hunting grounds where I can get some good bird contacts for my yound dog. Please PM me if you can point me in the right direction. Thanks guys in advance............
Post by: Bwana Bob on November 26, 2012, 09:43:49 AM
Post by: whitey on November 26, 2012, 10:30:44 AM
There are other places that offer the same hunting situation for around the same amount of money. Get the pup on birds then you will aleast know your dog has an understanding of what it is doing while in the field.
Good luck and best wishes.
Post by: fethrduster on November 26, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
Post by: thinkingman on November 26, 2012, 03:07:44 PM
There has to be a trainer near you with live birds.
Post by: 10Key on November 26, 2012, 06:52:22 PM
Post by: FamilyMan01 on November 26, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
I do live on the west side of the mountains but will drive just about anywhere to get my dog on some birds. Looks like I am going to have to look into the Yak Rez.
Any suggestions on where on the Rez to go? Any particular creeks or areas which are better then other's?
Gentleman, I appreciate the comments/suggestions so far and will post a picture here shortly (as soon as I can figure out how) of my young Britt.
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 08:52:20 PM
I've been able to train with him at least once a week on pigeons. I just want to get him on wild birds. Pigeons are a great tool IMO for early stages of the training. However, nothing can compare to a young dog being able to have contacts with wild birds.
with a decent remote bird launcher you can make a homing pigeon as hard to approach as a late season pheasant. then if you mess up its with pigeons and not game birds.
wild birds are great and all but they rarely put you in a situation you have complete control over. I don't care how many contacts you have, wild birds are not going to train your dog for you like so many magazine articles are trying to make us believe.
Post by: TVHunts on November 26, 2012, 09:33:29 PM
Post by: wildweeds on November 26, 2012, 09:37:08 PM
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I've been able to train with him at least once a week on pigeons. I just want to get him on wild birds. Pigeons are a great tool IMO for early stages of the training. However, nothing can compare to a young dog being able to have contacts with wild birds.
with a decent remote bird launcher you can make a homing pigeon as hard to approach as a late season pheasant. then if you mess up its with pigeons and not game birds.
wild birds are great and all but they rarely put you in a situation you have complete control over. I don't care how many contacts you have, wild birds are not going to train your dog for you like so many magazine articles are trying to make us believe.
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Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
Actually I have a way of planting homing pigeons that require zero electronics and zero skill on the part of the handler to "Guess" at the "right" time to push the button. The birds are as close to wild as it gets,actually you really want to do it with kill birds,because if the dog does it right.............. you wanna kill it.[/quote]
Quote author=Stilly bay link=topic=111027.msg1458154#msg1458154 date=1353991940]I've been able to train with him at least once a week on pigeons. I just want to get him on wild birds. Pigeons are a great tool IMO for early stages of the training. However, nothing can compare to a young dog being able to have contacts with wild birds.
with a decent remote bird launcher you can make a homing pigeon as hard to approach as a late season pheasant. then if you mess up its with pigeons and not game birds.
wild birds are great and all but they rarely put you in a situation you have complete control over. I don't care how many contacts you have, wild birds are not going to train your dog for you like so many magazine articles are trying to make us believe.
can you employ this technique by yourself or do you need a helper?
the main benefit of the remote launcher is they don't have wives and funky work schedules or kids.
Post by: wildweeds on November 26, 2012, 09:44:54 PM
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 09:53:51 PM
No helper required,The only thing launchers are for is backing/honoring training
they are real handy for simulating hunting scenarios and teaching a dog not to crowd birds.
I really don't know of a better long distance / practical way to teach a dog to be respectful of a bird's space without the help of a launcher or wild birds. granted this isn't an issue for the field trial groupies, where standing over planted birds seems to be acceptable.
Post by: Birdguy on November 26, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
Post by: wildweeds on November 26, 2012, 10:03:10 PM
No helper required,The only thing launchers are for is backing/honoring training
they are real handy for simulating hunting scenarios and teaching a dog not to crowd birds.
I really don't know of a better long distance / practical way to teach a dog to be respectful of a bird's space without the help of a launcher or wild birds. granted this isn't an issue for the field trial groupies, where standing over planted birds seems to be acceptable.
Post by: NW-GSP on November 26, 2012, 10:11:18 PM
I will gladly show you how to do it,guaranteed no FT groupie knows this trick,it's very very very old,it's a trick I learned from a fellow in the pro training world who was nicknamed the "Pigeon Magician",he was the first pro trainer to switch from wild birds to pigeons in the early 50's.The dog better be locking up 20+ feet away or it's bird in the air.No helper required,The only thing launchers are for is backing/honoring training
they are real handy for simulating hunting scenarios and teaching a dog not to crowd birds.
I really don't know of a better long distance / practical way to teach a dog to be respectful of a bird's space without the help of a launcher or wild birds. granted this isn't an issue for the field trial groupies, where standing over planted birds seems to be acceptable.
I can assure you that everything he is saying is true. I have seen it and it made things click for my Gsp, take him up on the offer you will not regret it
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Post by: wildweeds on November 26, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
certainly has piqued my interest. one these days I will have to see it in action.
Post by: Stilly bay on November 26, 2012, 10:42:42 PM