Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: got2hunt on November 27, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
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Ok this has to stop, Im not bashing them but we have to stop the madness of the Indian's shooting guns when we are bow hunting. I think that it is there right that they can hunt but not with a rifle when we are bow hunting. Further more the wdfw are saying that we are destroying the deer heard with the late swakane season but i think that we give out to many tags for the entiate and other areas. The Indian's arnt helping nothing by going up there and shooting these breeder buck like the one that a friend sent me in a text, and really they are sticking by there guns and saying that the only do it for the right of meat. Come on now, nobody in there right mind likes a deer that is in the rut compaired to a deer out of rut. So what im getting at is there should be some guide line set and some sort of agreement made to make it safer for everybody and also to help the dwindling heard that we have. I don't want people bashing people on this thread i want some good awonist points and reasoning cause im going to write the wdfw and the state to see what we can come up with cause the way it is is not working.
Thank you
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Got2hunt I agree with you!
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Naches Sportsman if the indians used bow and arrows it wouldn't be a problem. But they follow no laws and if they break the law they face no real consequences, just lazy. Kill what they want just cuz they can, use modern firearms cuz they can.
Really bow and arrow is all the indian should be able to use since they never evolved past them.
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I feel your pain. We are a red chip citizens. It will take an act of congress to change that.
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The government is trying to change our gun rights, why not the tribal rights?
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Naches Sportsman my dad hunted moose in B.C. for 43 straight years with the same native guide booking his hunts for 40 of them. The last week of the season was his and our friends to hunt. Every year when we had taken our 4 bull's we all went out to get his moose and the other guides moose and I can tell you for fact that a bull or cow with calf was never shot in all those years for their winter meat. No one with any common sense would shoot a big bull when they can have a cow. Now granted these natives there are much different than here they actually lived off the land! smoked hides to make gloves for us and speared fish from horse back to make salmon candy. I have a great respect for the "Red band" but very little for natives here. sorry :twocents:
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mkcj
Don't be sorry for what you believe, why do you think this country is in such bad shape too many sorries too many excuses. Say what you believe and stand by it.
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Blabla bla bla.. Get over it. I am sure if you were an Indian, you would be hunting trying to get meat for the upcoming winter. They are not bad.
If they were hunting for meat for the winter I'd agree with you but most of what I have seen is they are out after the trophies and the hell with the meat. Plus if they are going to have a 6 month season make that 6 months ON reservation ONLY. If they want to use the excuse that it was their ancestral hunting grounds then hunt with ancestral weapons
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Agreed!
http://m.kitsapsun.com/news/1996/feb/18/locals-treaty-or-not-elk-killings-unfair/ (http://m.kitsapsun.com/news/1996/feb/18/locals-treaty-or-not-elk-killings-unfair/)
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Naches Sportsman my dad hunted moose in B.C. for 43 straight years with the same native guide booking his hunts for 40 of them. The last week of the season was his and our friends to hunt. Every year when we had taken our 4 bull's we all went out to get his moose and the other guides moose and I can tell you for fact that a bull or cow with calf was never shot in all those years for their winter meat. No one with any common sense would shoot a big bull when they can have a cow. Now granted these natives there are much different than here they actually lived off the land! smoked hides to make gloves for us and speared fish from horse back to make salmon candy. I have a great respect for the "Red band" but very little for natives here. sorry :twocents:
:yeah: and tag and not going to say much more! Wont make a difference
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Agreed!
http://m.kitsapsun.com/news/1996/feb/18/locals-treaty-or-not-elk-killings-unfair/ (http://m.kitsapsun.com/news/1996/feb/18/locals-treaty-or-not-elk-killings-unfair/)
Nice reference from a 1996 article. It's only 16 years old, but whatever.
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I'm a card carrying member of the Choctaw tribe with all the perks that come from being a Choctaw...if I lived in Oklahoma! I can't hunt whenever I want out here, can't break the laws that all of the 'more white' guys have to deal with, and if I could be a rule bender and needed to feed the family for winter I'd bait Bears all fall long and INCREASE the Deer and Elk population for everyone else ;-) As far as I'm concerned I don't think it's right to argue that their ancestral hunting areas are open to them without also arguing that they need to hunt in their ancestral fashion. Archery hunting to me is the only way they should be able to hunt off Res without a WDFW Hunting License and abiding by the rules that come with it. Unfortunately our state doesn't agree and the Natives around here have a LOT of money to fight any change the state did propose. What we really need to focus on rather than hunting pressure is habitat loss. Habitat is the biggest driver for any game animal's bounce back. Smarter forest management, smarter development plans, fewer a-hole rule breaking 4x4's in walk-in only areas...I know it's hard to say without hard and fast harvest numbers from the tribes (which we'll never have) but I'm sure habitat loss is a much bigger problem for game. However I'm sure rifle hunters during Archery season would be a big problem for people... Hard nut to crack I'd say. I believe in enforcing ratified treaties, and each of these tribes holds a treaty with the US of A. Because of those treaties they are sovereign nations. So finding a way to work with the tribes for better game management (:bash:) is unfortunately our best and nearly only resort.
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There is nothing to get over, one of these time it is going to be you that is getting shot over cause i have had it happen on the clockum. I was hunting elk and waiting on the herd to come through with 3 legal bull. They were on the trail that i was sitting on and heading for reserve and the next thing that i know from the road came shots over my head. I looked back and here was a guy with a rifle during bow season and when i talked to him he got really mad and said what you going to do. He said that we have rifles and you have bows good luck. So no bla bla bla no getting over it and no its not right. You want to claim that your ancestors have done it this way for ever well do that way again with stick and string. I also agree that if they can hunt off the reservation we should be able to hunt on the reservation with our regular hunting licence, no permit. The reservation is there property and this is ours.
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Interesting, Master Hunters have been shooting the heck out of the elk north of Ellensburg and the archery guys have had their late hunt at the same time in the same area. :dunno:
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The Master hunter program is another joke and a whole nother story . I think that it would be fairly easy to make compromise with the natives , I also believe for the most part we both want to see the game animals flurish. As I've been told Natives have a right to fiffty percent of the harvest so the only resonible way to handle it would be to go to a outta system and or limited tags for both sides . that way the wdfw could actually manage the herd . You would have to allow quata tags for each unit and it would be fair to make both usser groups have archery only , muzzy only and riffle only tags . The natives should also be required to count any animals harvested from rez lands towards there harvest counts . that seems simple but the reallity is niether side wants to give . for now the best thing in my mind would be to close road systems nov 1st and limit entry to foot travel . make the penalty stiff for both groups and enforse it . we have the right to the land but not the right to just drive up to a rummy buck and blow him away . on one last note I agree that tribal hunters shooting in open archery and muzzy units followed by not obeying green dot systems is a huge saftey risk . this is why I get as far away from the roads as i can durring those times .
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For an archers safty i believe something should be done to keep the rifle hunters and archery hunters seperate. That goes for Natives "filing freezers".
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I agree that since they can hunt anywhere we should be able to hunt the rez without permit and I do believe when off their land harvest records must be made along with they should have to use bows. I'd even be okay with compound bows even though that's nog what their ancesters used :chuckle:
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Until our voters get their heads out of "where they have been for decades", elect a conservative Governor and threaten to allow slots and casinos everywhere....nothing will change. Money talks
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It is time to stop this madness. I do believe that they are trying to get back at the white man. It is ridiculous. And no there are not to many permits. The permits are not the reason the deer are not what they used to be. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT
