Post by: sled on November 29, 2012, 05:23:03 PM
First light i went back to where i left off and started looking. As i came over the hill about 30 yards from where i left off last night i see movement behind the brush. As i crept towards it arrow knocked, and ready to shoot i see a bushy tail. Coyote i thought as it took off. Sure *censored* it was a flipping WOLF! I was going to take a shot through the brush when i thought it was a yote. Glad i didnt,
Anyway i walked down to where it was and see my deer with a hole chewed in the back. Damn thing ate almost all of a backstrap. As i stood there looking at my deer i can see the wolf running up the hill about 200 yard away.
Here are a couple of pics of the deer. I gutted and skinned it. IM hoping it will be fine to eat. don't know why it wouldn't be.
Post by: muleyslayer#1 on November 29, 2012, 05:28:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 29, 2012, 05:31:14 PM
Sure it was a wolf? Seems odd there was only one.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 29, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on November 29, 2012, 05:39:24 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 29, 2012, 05:45:34 PM
Post by: sled on November 29, 2012, 05:50:02 PM
Would have been nice if your broad head was still in the deer and the wolf cut its tongue off on it. :IBCOOL:positive it was a wolf. I was only 30 yards from it when I saw it.
Sure it was a wolf? Seems odd there was only one.
Post by: supagoose on November 29, 2012, 05:53:08 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on November 29, 2012, 06:06:44 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 29, 2012, 06:16:21 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 29, 2012, 06:22:19 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 29, 2012, 06:29:58 PM
Would have been nice if your broad head was still in the deer and the wolf cut its tongue off on it. :IBCOOL:
Sure it was a wolf? Seems odd there was only one.
THere has been a lone wolf spotted in the SInlahekin several times for almost a year now.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 29, 2012, 06:30:11 PM
Post by: romaknows on November 29, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
Should have shot that damn coyote! :chuckle:
:yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on November 29, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
I am no expert and NO I am not questioning you, but that looks more like how a cat would eat. I have seen cat kills that look a lot like that. Never been around animals ate by a wolf "other then how I have seen them feed on t.v" The hair pulled out like that is very cat like as well.
Never seen what a wolf does in person but have had a similar situation only it was some coyotes instead of a wolf. The damage looked exactly like this so I imagine it could be canine. Add the fact that he saw a wolf thirty yards from it would be enough for me to confirm it....
Post by: sled on November 29, 2012, 06:45:42 PM
Where in the unit where you.the northern part, above loomis
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 29, 2012, 06:46:34 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 29, 2012, 06:54:34 PM
I am no expert and NO I am not questioning you, but that looks more like how a cat would eat. I have seen cat kills that look a lot like that. Never been around animals ate by a wolf "other then how I have seen them feed on t.v" The hair pulled out like that is very cat like as well.
I think the exit wound had something to do with that behavior, had it been wound free the wolf probably would have fed as more typical of a wolf.
With a hole being in the side of the deer they'd investigate that as the scent would be strong there; I could very well see a wolf pulling hair at an existing wound and opening it up from there?
I dunno, just speculation.
Post by: boneaddict on November 29, 2012, 07:05:21 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 29, 2012, 07:10:02 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 29, 2012, 09:28:09 PM
Post by: sled on November 30, 2012, 03:05:03 PM
I don't know why the meat went bad. It was about 34 degrees that night and I found it first thing in the morning. This is the first animal I have ever shot that wasn't recovered the day it was shot. Why did it spoil? Did it sit to long without being gutted,and not cooled down fast enough? Or could it have something to to with the wolf feeding on it? The green was only in the area where the wolf are, but it did smell a little. It was a double lung shot so there was no gut contamination.
I feel disgusted!
Post by: h20hunter on November 30, 2012, 03:09:23 PM
Post by: elkoholic1 on November 30, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Should have shot that damn coyote! :chuckle:
:yeah: :chuckle:
:dunno: :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 30, 2012, 03:31:59 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 30, 2012, 03:42:35 PM
Just got home to the butcher. When we went to unload the deer we found that around the area the wolf ate was turned green. The butcher said the bacteria was probably spread through the whole thing. I feel absolutely sick to my stomach about loosing this deer.
I don't know why the meat went bad. It was about 34 degrees that night and I found it first thing in the morning. This is the first animal I have ever shot that wasn't recovered the day it was shot. Why did it spoil? Did it sit to long without being gutted,and not cooled down fast enough? Or could it have something to to with the wolf feeding on it? The green was only in the area where the wolf are, but it did smell a little. It was a double lung shot so there was no gut contamination.
I feel disgusted!
Did you skin, gut and open up or quarter this deer when you found it in the morning? I cannot imagine what could have possibly destroyed your entire deer from some animal snacking on it. Heat ruins meat, a bit of "wolf bacteria" probably not.
Post by: billythekidrock on November 30, 2012, 03:47:12 PM
Just got home to the butcher. When we went to unload the deer we found that around the area the wolf ate was turned green. The butcher said the bacteria was probably spread through the whole thing. I feel absolutely sick to my stomach about loosing this deer.
I don't know why the meat went bad. It was about 34 degrees that night and I found it first thing in the morning. This is the first animal I have ever shot that wasn't recovered the day it was shot. Why did it spoil? Did it sit to long without being gutted,and not cooled down fast enough? Or could it have something to to with the wolf feeding on it? The green was only in the area where the wolf are, but it did smell a little. It was a double lung shot so there was no gut contamination.
I feel disgusted!
Did you skin, gut and open up or quarter this deer when you found it in the morning? I cannot imagine what could have possibly destroyed your entire deer from some animal snacking on it. Heat ruins meat, a bit of "wolf bacteria" probably not.
:yeah:
Post by: Jingles on November 30, 2012, 03:51:07 PM
Should have shot that damn coyote! :chuckle::yeah:
Post by: spin05 on November 30, 2012, 03:54:39 PM
Just got home to the butcher. When we went to unload the deer we found that around the area the wolf ate was turned green. The butcher said the bacteria was probably spread through the whole thing. I feel absolutely sick to my stomach about loosing this deer.
I don't know why the meat went bad. It was about 34 degrees that night and I found it first thing in the morning. This is the first animal I have ever shot that wasn't recovered the day it was shot. Why did it spoil? Did it sit to long without being gutted,and not cooled down fast enough? Or could it have something to to with the wolf feeding on it? The green was only in the area where the wolf are, but it did smell a little. It was a double lung shot so there was no gut contamination.
I feel disgusted!
Just a thought but i have heard of the game warden re-issueing a new tag to people whoes deer were eaten by predators. Its up to you thou.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on November 30, 2012, 04:06:09 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 30, 2012, 04:15:42 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on November 30, 2012, 04:35:02 PM
How is that bacteria going to spread through the whole animal when there is no blood flow? I think your butcher is a paranoid (*^(*&^ stick. Cut away contact points, cook it and eat it. At least that's what I would do. If you have tossed it due to this guys advice I'd do what was mentioned above. Contact WDFW and see if you can get another tag.
:yeah:
Post by: sled on November 30, 2012, 04:45:25 PM
Just got home to the butcher. When we went to unload the deer we found that around the area the wolf ate was turned green. The butcher said the bacteria was probably spread through the whole thing. I feel absolutely sick to my stomach about loosing this deer.yes I did.
I don't know why the meat went bad. It was about 34 degrees that night and I found it first thing in the morning. This is the first animal I have ever shot that wasn't recovered the day it was shot. Why did it spoil? Did it sit to long without being gutted,and not cooled down fast enough? Or could it have something to to with the wolf feeding on it? The green was only in the area where the wolf are, but it did smell a little. It was a double lung shot so there was no gut contamination.
I feel disgusted!
Did you skin, gut and open up or quarter this deer when you found it in the morning? I cannot imagine what could have possibly destroyed your entire deer from some animal snacking on it. Heat ruins meat, a bit of "wolf bacteria" probably not.
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 30, 2012, 04:47:19 PM
Post by: Jingles on November 30, 2012, 04:48:34 PM
Post by: Tonasketstickflinger on November 30, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
Post by: sled on November 30, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
I have seen wolf above loomis coming out of long swamp and twentymile meadows, i can believe your sighting. The snow drives the deer down to the sinlahekin wolves would follow i would imagine. Theres always cats in there during late winter.sorry about your deer man.this happened north of there.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 30, 2012, 05:22:14 PM
How is that bacteria going to spread through the whole animal when there is no blood flow? I think your butcher is a paranoid (*^(*&^ stick. Cut away contact points, cook it and eat it. At least that's what I would do. If you have tossed it due to this guys advice I'd do what was mentioned above. Contact WDFW and see if you can get another tag.He said he stopped tracking it after 15 minutes to avoid spooking it. So the deer could've been alive when the wolf started eating it, allowing the blood to continue flowing.
Do any of the cattle guys here know? I've heard of a few cattle that are missing a portion of their leg and are still alive. I think they are counted as a loss because they can't be butchered (due to the predator bites) even if given antibiotics.
The other possibility is the deer was sick before being shot.
Post by: 400out on November 30, 2012, 05:37:51 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 30, 2012, 05:54:39 PM
How is that bacteria going to spread through the whole animal when there is no blood flow? I think your butcher is a paranoid (*^(*&^ stick. Cut away contact points, cook it and eat it. At least that's what I would do. If you have tossed it due to this guys advice I'd do what was mentioned above. Contact WDFW and see if you can get another tag.He said he stopped tracking it after 15 minutes to avoid spooking it. So the deer could've been alive when the wolf started eating it, allowing the blood to continue flowing.
Pictures don't show any evidence of that. Plus even a less than sharp broadhead would have resulted in a much quicker kill than that with the placement I see. Perhaps if it were paunch shot. But that arrow placement looked forward enough to take care of business within a very short time frame. I'd expect that deer was down when he backed out. Not a decision I disagree with, but was probably not necessary in hindsight.
Even a rabid wolf, which I serious doubt, would not pose a huge problem with wide spread meat contamination. The worm issues are a far more serious problem with wolves. But, unless it defecated on or within close proximity I would not worry about that either. If it were me I'd be eating some yummy deer burgers about now.
Again, if tossed I would consult the WDFW about getting a replacement tag and have the butcher testify that he gave the hunter the advise to dispose of it.
Post by: bobcat on November 30, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
Post by: IBspoiled on November 30, 2012, 06:16:22 PM
Post by: sled on November 30, 2012, 06:26:36 PM
I don't think they issue replacement tags if you let your animal spoil.ouch! That hurts. This is the first animal I have ever lost. I have never shot an animal and had it go more than 25 or 30 yards with a bow. I did not want to jump the deer and make it go further. I want everyone to know I tried not to let it spoil. If I didn't care I could have simply walked away and let it waste there.
Post by: saylean on November 30, 2012, 06:26:52 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 30, 2012, 06:37:44 PM
I don't think they issue replacement tags if you let your animal spoil.ouch! That hurts. This is the first animal I have ever lost. I have never shot an animal and had it go more than 25 or 30 yards with a bow. I did not want to jump the deer and make it go further. I want everyone to know I tried not to let it spoil. If I didn't care I could have simply walked away and let it waste there.
That wasn't meant as an insult. I don't think you necessarily did anything wrong. However I'm not quite understanding how the entire deer was spoiled. I don't think the wolf had anything to do with it. I think it's just the chance you take when you leave a dead deer in the woods overnight.
I feel strongly that it would be wrong for the WDFW to issue another tag in a case like this.
Do you think you deserve another tag?
Post by: sled on November 30, 2012, 06:46:16 PM
I shot it and recovered itit. The only thing missing is meat. :bash:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 01, 2012, 12:35:42 AM
Post by: Smokepole on December 01, 2012, 01:07:32 AM
I've never skinned an animal until it has been aged. Lots of us old timers hang our game with the skin on. I kill them, gut them, cover the cavity and let them lay & cool overnight many times. Had lots of rank stinking wound channels -- busted shoulders that stink -- and I've never wasted an animal. You trim that stuff out and cook up the good stuff. A few times i let an animal hang too long in warm weather, because I got busy. It was some of the best venison I ever had. Been hunting deer for 42 years and never skinned a critter until it was aged and ready to butcher. Hide is nature's game bag. I've not heard of anyone getting poisoned from venison.
Sorry to hear them wolves are causing problems. Suit yourself, but I'd be learning to butcher your own game or hiring a new guy.
-Smokepole
Post by: RadSav on December 01, 2012, 01:24:22 AM
Post by: csaaphill on December 01, 2012, 01:47:25 AM
I'd be for he cut the bad part off and went ahead and butchered it but who knows.
I question that the whole thing went rotten, but could of. ya report it as usual and wait till next year.
sorry to hear that and report the wolf as well.
Post by: Kioti on December 01, 2012, 06:52:00 AM