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Title: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 11, 2012, 10:54:03 PM: Trying to time a fresh rebuilt ford 360. Every where I look online say 6-8 before tdc. Why is mine running better in the 20-25 degree range??? It's not perfect but that's where i can get it to run. Any help helps guys, thanks
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Huntbear on December 11, 2012, 11:00:07 PM: Been a long time, but when I did my 390...

I do believe your distributor is off a tooth or two.. You need to reset that back to TDC with the timing chain...
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 11, 2012, 11:12:01 PM: So which way do I need to move it?
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: toothfangclaw on December 11, 2012, 11:44:23 PM: You probably need to get the #1 cylinder to tdc and see if the distributor is at #1. That way you can tell which direction to go.
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Post by: HntnFsh on December 12, 2012, 05:47:47 AM: I think hes right. Your probably off a tooth or 2. You need to have #1 at tdc on the compression stroke. Or you could be 180 off.
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on December 12, 2012, 06:34:53 AM: Also make sure the vacuum advance is unhooked when you time it. I would start over and put a h e i distributor ignition on it.. Makes the old motors run lots better....... :twocents:
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: C-Money on December 12, 2012, 07:48:37 AM: The ole 360s & 390s ran great! Sure brings back good memories! Hope you get your 360 running well!
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 09:00:40 AM: We had checked the distributor the other day abd i thought it was on one or close. ill check it again today. Id love to put a hei or msd distributor on it but moneys tight. My gf is restoring the truck. Its been your grandpas for years. Good ol 72 highboy on 33 inch bfgs with a stock 4 barrel manifold, carter afb carb and headers. I gotta quit putting my money into it and get back to my mustang! Haha
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 09:02:36 AM: Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: Re: ford 360
Post by: toothfangclaw on December 12, 2012, 09:50:49 AM: Quote from: farmin4u_98948 on December 12, 2012, 06:34:53 AM
Also make sure the vacuum advance is unhooked when you time it. I would start over and put a h e i distributor ignition on it.. Makes the old motors run lots better....... :twocents:

I didn't know you could put a HEI distributor on a Ford!? I thought that was a Chevy thing. :tup:

Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 09:02:36 AM

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Nice rigs!
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Huntbear on December 12, 2012, 09:55:35 AM: Maverick..

That pic brings back a lot of memories. My dad had a 72 High Boy. When the 360 blew up, he slapped a 460 in it. It would tow anything, and get 12 mpg even pulling a fully loaded travel trailer heading over 4th of July Pass going elk hunting... I miss that truck, just not the work to try and turn it around with no power steering.. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Mudman on December 12, 2012, 09:59:03 AM: Dist. is off. Redo it. If you upgraded cam during rebuild timing might change to 8-9. One tooth off for sure. :twocents:
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: fillthefreezer on December 12, 2012, 10:01:07 AM: love those bump side fords!
you could start by moving all the plug wires on dist 1 post over and see if it runs at the 6-8 and then restab if needed
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 10:21:09 AM: Quote from: Huntbear on December 12, 2012, 09:55:35 AM
Maverick..

That pic brings back a lot of memories. My dad had a 72 High Boy. When the 360 blew up, he slapped a 460 in it. It would tow anything, and get 12 mpg even pulling a fully loaded travel trailer heading over 4th of July Pass going elk hunting... I miss that truck, just not the work to try and turn it around with no power steering.. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

We actually planned on putting power steering in it. We have a 72 2wd we were gonna have the steering off of. Had the instructions from online how to do it. But the steering was totally different. It would have been way to much of a pain so maybe the next time we drop a motor in. Ages hoping the next motor will be a cummins :chuckle:

It does have a mellings cam. I think youre right about it being a tooth off.

I love the look of the old fords. I need to find me a 75-77 f250. What is really love is a crew cab :drool:
My brother got ahold of my grandpas 77 this spring and we got it up nice. The old man has a 76 that's next on the list!
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 12, 2012, 10:22:10 AM: Digital camera's are a must for me any more! When I rebuild an engine now, I shoot a photo of how I set the timing gears up. Most newer timing gears have dots for TDC, 2-6 degrees retart or advance. It helps to know for darn sure how I set it up when trying to time the ignition. If you happened to install an aftermarket cam with higher lift and longer duration, then valve timing may be advanced 9 degrees or so. (depending on grind) Check the cam card for timing info. If you also advanced the cam with the timing gear, it is quite possible to require ignition timing at 22 degrees or so.
If you rebuilt with stock spec components, I would agree that you've probably got the distributor gear off a tooth on the cam gear. Rotating it one tooth counter clockwise should get you closer to where you want to be. Be careful not to drop that oil pump drive shaft out the bottom of the distributor into the pan.

-Steve
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 10:23:21 AM: Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on December 12, 2012, 06:29:07 PM: You can get H E I ignition for most any vehicle. I put one on my 304 jeep this spring... Love it... also put one on my 69 ford... good and hot....
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 06:51:59 PM: well bad news..... cant get the distributor out... my only guess is stuck on the oil pump rod?!!! now what?!!!!!!
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 12, 2012, 06:55:37 PM: If you haven't had it out before there could be a carbon build up on the shaft bottom side just give it some love carefully.
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 07:14:53 PM: Shouldnt be carbon build up. The motor was rebuilt
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Jason on December 12, 2012, 07:19:37 PM: Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
well bad news..... cant get the distributor out... my only guess is stuck on the oil pump rod?!!! now what?!!!!!!
Just rotate the wires one hole then.
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 12, 2012, 07:20:22 PM: There is also a o-ring thats a tight fit in the block.

http://www.fordification.com/tech/images/schematics/distributor_V8-02.jpg (http://www.fordification.com/tech/images/schematics/distributor_V8-02.jpg)
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 07:21:49 PM: Quote from: Jason on December 12, 2012, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
well bad news..... cant get the distributor out... my only guess is stuck on the oil pump rod?!!! now what?!!!!!!
Just rotate the wires one hole then.

Wouldn't that be 180 degrees
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: HntnFsh on December 12, 2012, 07:32:15 PM: Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 07:21:49 PM
Quote from: Jason on December 12, 2012, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
well bad news..... cant get the distributor out... my only guess is stuck on the oil pump rod?!!! now what?!!!!!!
Just rotate the wires one hole then.

Wouldn't that be 180 degrees

No. it would only be about6-10 degrees.
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Jason on December 12, 2012, 07:34:31 PM: Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 07:21:49 PM
Quote from: Jason on December 12, 2012, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
well bad news..... cant get the distributor out... my only guess is stuck on the oil pump rod?!!! now what?!!!!!!
Just rotate the wires one hole then.

Wouldn't that be 180 degrees
If your off a tooth then just rotate the wires one hole either direction to advance or retard just like Fillthefreezer mentioned earlier, go two holes if you have to, If your off more than that then you'll probably have to pull the distributor.
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 07:38:57 PM: Okay I understand. Was hoping to get it out. I was given a new msd pro billet distributor!
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Jason on December 12, 2012, 07:53:01 PM: Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 07:21:49 PM
Quote from: Jason on December 12, 2012, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
well bad news..... cant get the distributor out... my only guess is stuck on the oil pump rod?!!! now what?!!!!!!
Just rotate the wires one hole then.

Wouldn't that be 180 degrees
On a FE if your a tooth off then thats 24* , if you rotate the wires one hole that gains you 45*.
I think my math is correct since the FE distributor i have has 15 teeth on it.
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 09:14:21 PM: it moves left and right fine i can left it up about a inch and thats as far as itll go.....
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 12, 2012, 10:36:42 PM: Quote from: Jason on December 12, 2012, 07:53:01 PM
Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 07:21:49 PM
On a FE if your a tooth off then thats 24* , if you rotate the wires one hole that gains you 45*.
I think my math is correct since the FE distributor i have has 15 teeth on it.

PRECISELY!

Wiggle the distributor while pulling up, while backing off on the crankshaft bolt with a ratchet. It'll come free.

-Steve
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 13, 2012, 05:44:24 PM: Quote from: Maverick on December 12, 2012, 09:14:21 PM
it moves left and right fine i can left it up about a inch and thats as far as itll go.....

You have that much wiggle it will come free!!
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 13, 2012, 05:47:05 PM: im thinking the oil shaft is stuck in it and its pulling up until the clip on the shaft hits...... dont want to pull to hard and lose the clip... ive been wiggling and wigglin and pulling some with no luc... never had this happen
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 14, 2012, 12:06:19 AM: Got it figured out guys! Used 2 screw drivers to get it unstuck. She's timed and runs great. The msd didn't fit though but oh well. Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: 400out on December 14, 2012, 02:34:40 AM: now that it's out what intake do you have on it and r u looking to upgrade
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Post by: Ridgeratt on December 14, 2012, 05:54:11 AM: Good on ya! sometimes it just takes a bit of love to free old iron parts. :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: Maverick on December 14, 2012, 08:56:27 AM: It's just a stock 4 barrel intake. Rebuilt 360 with a 4 barrel carter and headers. 4 speed manual.
Title: Re: ford 360
Post by: runningboard on December 14, 2012, 09:05:42 AM: for those asking about HEI distributors for other than GMs, as OP found out clearance can be a problem with 'em though

http://www.performancedistributors.com/ (http://www.performancedistributors.com/)

& for OP who said wants to put cummins in his Ford

http://fordcummins.com/ (http://fordcummins.com/)