Post by: fishNhunt on December 13, 2012, 02:30:21 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 13, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
Post by: dvolmer on December 13, 2012, 03:04:37 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on December 13, 2012, 04:14:22 PM
Post by: Elkstuffer on December 13, 2012, 04:48:44 PM
Post by: DeerThug on December 13, 2012, 05:17:30 PM
Post by: adamR on December 13, 2012, 05:19:52 PM
http://yakima.craigslist.org/spo/3476788237.html (http://yakima.craigslist.org/spo/3476788237.html)
From what I have heard, he claims there is 6000 acres to hunt and really its like a couple hundred and very low success rates. You probably have just as good of odds going to the training center and not paying $500.
Why is this one more reason to get rid of the master hunter program? What does some random person trying to make money have anything to do with the program? It's not the game dept or the programs fault that someone is trying to take advantage of an area and make money. I think what you meant to say was, "just one more chance for me to complain about the master hunter program for no reason".
Post by: Bob33 on December 13, 2012, 05:39:39 PM
If he were offering a legitimate, legal hunting opportunity then it's really no different than any other landowner charging an access fee. However, this one has a tainted reputation and I would stay clear of it.
Post by: bullkiller on December 13, 2012, 06:50:35 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 13, 2012, 07:03:16 PM
Post by: throttlejocky20 on December 14, 2012, 07:25:13 PM
Post by: gasman on December 14, 2012, 09:04:46 PM
The guy is legit and had the acreage and elk he claims to. He will even tell you that the amount of elk there is weather dependent.
And just because someone charges a trespass fee does not make them a crook a bad person. Trespass fees are being charged every where now a days and even more so in other western states.
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 14, 2012, 09:59:24 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 14, 2012, 10:03:35 PM
Post by: MAVsled on December 14, 2012, 10:36:13 PM
heck, I paid for Hancock Snoqualmie access!
shot my buck in eastern WA earlier.
still like accessing HS and scouting, being out in the woods close to home though.
purchased the HS permit again for 2013.
Post by: xXLojackXx on December 15, 2012, 03:48:03 PM
A) A small ($350-500) access fee may be worth it for some people, don't judge them for paying that to shoot "just a cow". With the prices these days for organic meat at the butchers and stores, 200lbs of elk meat is worth far more than $500 dollars. If you want to talk about values....
B) Unless you have had first hand experience dealing with the landowner, quit starting and posting stories from " a friend's friend of mine"
C) Get some damn Hooked On Phonics or Rosetta Stone and learn how to put together a complete sentence so you don't look like a whining illiterate 5th grader.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 15, 2012, 03:52:10 PM
Post by: gasman on December 15, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Thought MH hunts were only done threw the dept ?
Check the regs, there are areas that are open to hunt until Jan 31, but most of its PP and you need permission to hunt it.
No permit needed.
Post by: Bob33 on December 15, 2012, 04:30:12 PM
January 20. ;)Thought MH hunts were only done threw the dept ?
Check the regs, there are areas that are open to hunt until Jan 31, but most of its PP and you need permission to hunt it.
No permit needed.
Post by: buglebuster on December 15, 2012, 04:41:59 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 15, 2012, 04:43:35 PM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 15, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 15, 2012, 05:13:36 PM
Post by: losdaddy7 on December 15, 2012, 11:46:47 PM
Post by: buglebuster on December 16, 2012, 12:03:34 AM
Post by: losdaddy7 on December 16, 2012, 12:15:19 AM
http://yes.co.yakima.wa.us/Assessor/char_search.aspx (http://yes.co.yakima.wa.us/Assessor/char_search.aspx)
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 16, 2012, 04:07:05 PM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 16, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 16, 2012, 08:34:17 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 16, 2012, 08:38:57 PM
I didn't talk any smack about your hunt, because I have no info.
That being said, I am a Master Hunter...... So, can I get a free hunt if I promise to print an honest review??? :)
Post by: Crunchy on December 16, 2012, 08:40:55 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 16, 2012, 08:44:24 PM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 16, 2012, 09:15:13 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 16, 2012, 09:17:03 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 16, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
Here's hoping I'm first.
Post by: fishNhunt on December 17, 2012, 07:24:13 AM
From: Mann, Rich P (DFW)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Elk for Master Hunters
The answer is that this guy was charged last year with malicious mischief and unlawfully operating a shooting preserve without a license. He was cutting the elk fence and luring elk below the fences into 3912. He then advertised hunts for MH’s. He had several MH’s who were more than willing to pay the fee and come shoot a cow elk off the hay pile. I even had one call me after we had arrested this guy and want to know if he could still come back and shoot his elk as they weren’t at the hay pile the first time he came over and he had already paid his ”fee”. Several of these hunters were told the at the fence had been cut so the elk could get out into the 3912 unit. Shooting a cow elk that is baited into a hay pile during the winter months because it is hungry is not against the law. Given what we are trying to achieve with these MH’s, getting someone to take this hunt seems outside of the “high ethical standard” we are supposedly setting, but there are plenty of MH’s (perhaps this should mean meat hunters) who are more than willing to use what is supposed to be a damage related hunt to harvest a cow elk that has been baited out of winter range during the toughest time of the year. Again, not illegal – but it does raise an eyebrow.
Rich
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 17, 2012, 07:25:55 AM
Post by: Seabeckian on December 17, 2012, 08:55:15 AM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 17, 2012, 09:29:18 AM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 17, 2012, 09:37:11 AM
Post by: losdaddy7 on December 17, 2012, 09:37:55 AM
I'm offering you a free hunt with me so I can show you all are sections.... If you don't want that them shut your mouth until you know the facts of all the property we own. I have my same return clients for a reason..
Thanks, I do appreciate the offer, but I am going to pass. What I posted was an honest account of my hunt, the amount of acreage, and the conditions. I have no axe to grind with you, as I could have posted something last year when this occurred. I left you a couple messages, you never returned my calls, so I left it at that and never bothered you again. The only reason I stepped into this conversation is because I've met decent folks on this site and thought they had a right to know what they were getting themselves into. For me, fair chase is an important aspect of the hunt. With baiting, the small area to hunt, and not having the area to myself, this kind of hunt isn't for me. That doesn't mean this wont appeal to others.
For the record, I didn't see any of the fence cut while I was there, and I did see fresh sign. The other guys who were hunting the property were friendly, and tried to keep their distance so we each had some space to hunt. If you would like to discuss this face to face, send me a PM and we can arrange to meet and discuss this further.
Post by: fishNhunt on December 17, 2012, 10:10:26 AM
Just found out that mr fishnhunt went to prison for child mollesting... Worry about yourself.....
It wasn't me that wrote that email. It was a Captain with the game department. I was talking to some people on this site and someone else had already emailed the game department and that was the responce from the Captain with the game department. If you have a problem with the email you should contact that Captain in the game department. But I don't think you will, because I believe that email to be the truth. Why would the Captain of the game department write that and send it out with his name on it if it wasn't true. And your name and your hunts have came up on this site a few times and every time there are more people saying how your ad is a lie and you dont have the land you say you do, how you have multiple hunters going on the same days, how you don't return calls, ect.
Post by: WSU on December 17, 2012, 10:34:23 AM
You are part of the problem, not the solution, if you are hunting elk that have purposefully been brought into the area you are supposed to be pressuring them out of.
Post by: Gunfire on December 17, 2012, 10:38:01 AM
Let them go to the feed station where they can survive the winter or have them fend for themselves.
Why someone feels they can bait a wild animal onto their land and then sell access to kill them for profit is beyond me.
If you are a Master Hunter (as your name suggests) you are doing a disservice to the program.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 17, 2012, 10:45:12 AM
Any masterhunter that takes him up on his offer is missing the point of the hunt and AHE. The point is to pressure the elk out of the private areas of their wintering range and to alleviate the problems associated with elk on crop land in the area.I agree. If you are feeding elk in the 3912 damage area you are a problem. If you are feeding elk to lure them in for hunters, you are not much of a sportsman. Illegal or not, it's bad business in a damage unit. I'm sure the farmers in the area are pretty pleased that you keep the elk around.
You are part of the problem, not the solution, if you are hunting elk that have purposefully been brought into the area you are supposed to be pressuring them out of.
Post by: 700xcr on December 17, 2012, 01:07:37 PM
I also receive damage hunt tags and sell them as we'll. talk about that also.Are you getting crop damage money from the Game Dept? If so that seems double dipping from our resources! I knew a landowner that triple dipped in the pot. Was getting paid CRP, then money for crop damage on it and then ran a hunt club and charged hunters $500.00 for a cow then $1500.00 for a bull. Then got his hand slapped for chasing elk off neighboring ground on horse back back onto his land. :bdid:
Post by: boneaddict on December 17, 2012, 01:16:44 PM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 17, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 17, 2012, 01:42:31 PM
I do hunt for free, on land that has elk problems and needs a master hunter interested in helping out. Legal or not, is it the right thing to do?
Post by: WSU on December 17, 2012, 01:44:40 PM
Good for you and your return clients....It's clear that you enjoy taking advantage of a system that was designed to help landowners in the area.
I do hunt for free, on land that has elk problems and needs a master hunter interested in helping out. Legal or not, is it the right thing to do?
Some people don't care as long as they can make a buck.
Post by: bearpaw on December 17, 2012, 03:01:38 PM
Hunting-Washington tries to allow everyone a chance to offer their opinion on various topics, that includes allowing anyone to answer claims made against them by others, however, we do not allow profanity on this forum. Please clean up your language or you will be banned for that reason.
One of the forum admins has also stated that you threatened the forum with a lawsuit. I would suggest you do a google search on internet slander. You will learn that numerous courts have upheld that individuals are responsible for their own remarks, internet service providers (H-W) are not responsible for comments made by others. H-W has no way to determine which comments are true and which are false, that is why H-W attempts to allow everyone a chance to express their opinion on any topic in a civil manner.
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2012, 03:29:52 PM
I also receive damage hunt tags and sell them as we'll. talk about that also.
This is ridiculous! How can you get damage tags if you are purposefully trying to lure them on to your property(baiting)? Then claiming they are causing damage to your land? YOU are the reason they are there damaging your land. That's ridiculous and quite frankly fraudulent. I would hope that if the game department were made aware of this they would cease to give you damage permits... at a minimum.
Post by: bullkiller on December 17, 2012, 03:36:16 PM
Post by: BurleyDog on December 17, 2012, 03:37:16 PM
I hope you are never issued another damage tag again. I hope the gamies double check your every move.
Unbelievable.
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2012, 03:39:25 PM
Grundy. there is a local herd of elk that is always on his property. then more come on when the snow drives them down. the f&w give out damage permits to just about anyone. u know that. look at the people who get them around home. u know rob. remember my buddy from Yakima on out ocean trip. if f&w doesn't like it then take the area out of the master hunt area and quit giving out the kill permits. until that occurs it's all legal. no difference than what Rayonier or weyco plans on doing over here. I think there's just a lot of jealous people around naches cuz so much land is private. if I had the land I would charge to hunt it also as I've seen the damage some people do to it first hand such as cutting the fence to drive in and dumping garbage. you can't blame anyone if they charge, I agree it does suk but it's the way things are gonna be done in the future
I understand that. It's just the fact that he is actively trying to attract them on to his property THEN claiming damage that irks me. Most people that get the kill permits actually try to keep the elk off their property...
Post by: MtnMuley on December 17, 2012, 04:05:09 PM
Any masterhunter that takes him up on his offer is missing the point of the hunt and AHE. The point is to pressure the elk out of the private areas of their wintering range and to alleviate the problems associated with elk on crop land in the area.I agree. If you are feeding elk in the 3912 damage area you are a problem. If you are feeding elk to lure them in for hunters, you are not much of a sportsman. Illegal or not, it's bad business in a damage unit. I'm sure the farmers in the area are pretty pleased that you keep the elk around.
You are part of the problem, not the solution, if you are hunting elk that have purposefully been brought into the area you are supposed to be pressuring them out of.
I can't believe every sportsman didn't :yeah: to this
Post by: DeerThug on December 17, 2012, 07:31:45 PM
There is plenty of opportunity for MH to get a cow on public land and there is a TON of private land to get a cow on for free and the land owners are glad to let you on – all you have to do is knock on the door and ask. I am not a MH but know a few and spend all winter with them and have lost track of the elk I have helped get back to the truck. It takes some work, but those MH dealing with this guy need to go back to what this was all about in the first place…
Post by: bighunter on December 17, 2012, 10:31:51 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on December 17, 2012, 11:08:55 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 18, 2012, 08:40:23 AM
So with the multiple wdfw guys on here, and with the cumulative comments and we all seem to be on the same page and with what I said earlier. WDFW get your pencil out and take his parcels out of 3912 MH hunt unit for 2013. Eliminate the landowner tags etc on his land as you are clearly aware of what is going on. Something needs to be done in this case. He will save some hay and there will be less damage to the elk fence if there is no financial gain. I for one plan on taking this to the director and the commission.
There is plenty of opportunity for MH to get a cow on public land and there is a TON of private land to get a cow on for free and the land owners are glad to let you on – all you have to do is knock on the door and ask. I am not a MH but know a few and spend all winter with them and have lost track of the elk I have helped get back to the truck. It takes some work, but those MH dealing with this guy need to go back to what this was all about in the first place…
Love your approach Deer Thug, good for you. Hope you get through to wildlife and something changes.
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 18, 2012, 03:55:28 PM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 18, 2012, 04:03:49 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 18, 2012, 04:12:57 PM
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_______ is a joke in the Tieton community :yike:Let's keep this post on issues, not personal or character attacks.
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2012, 04:25:32 PM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 18, 2012, 06:52:08 PM
Post by: crazysccrmd on December 18, 2012, 06:58:06 PM
I can pull your chain and say anything and you all get mad.
Or you could just not mislead people purposely and make more people disbelieve what you say. I'd also be interested in your side of the story about the guy saying he only had limited land access, shared hunting access and how you didn't return any calls to discuss the matter.
For what it's worth, I'm not a master hunter or east side elk hunter so I have no stake in any of this.
Post by: Deer slayer on December 18, 2012, 07:22:58 PM
Just dropped the hay off.... Lol and yes I will be contacting the captain on a false statement. This will be my last post in here to you Internet detectives. By the way it is legal to feed elk on your property and that all I'm doing. No different then people putting deer feeders or licks out. I have my same return clients so I'm not worried. And why should I not charge an access fee, it's my land. You start paying the taxes and maintaining it and you can hunt for free.Says here you feed the elk not cattle.
Post by: 700xcr on December 18, 2012, 07:25:50 PM
I agree, you guys never new we are feeding are livestock and jumped to conclusions. ... It's funny how that happens, I alow people on for an access fee to shoot elk that are eating hay from my cows which is my living. It's sad how quick you convict a guy... That's what I said from the begging you don't know what your talking about. I can pull your chain and say anything and you all get mad.You still steered away from my orignal question! Do you get funds from the Game Dept. for damage? The Game Dept. has issued you landowner tags to take care of a problem you are having. Then charge for these landowner tags sound like your double dipping the pot!
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 18, 2012, 08:44:46 PM
Post by: BurleyDog on December 18, 2012, 08:57:06 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 18, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
Post by: chad s. on December 19, 2012, 06:07:59 AM
Post by: Gunfire on December 19, 2012, 07:48:25 AM
Post by: bullkiller on December 19, 2012, 08:50:10 AM
Post by: Squatch on December 22, 2012, 11:26:16 AM
Post by: dvolmer on December 22, 2012, 07:07:14 PM
Post by: splitshot on December 22, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Post by: Crunchy on December 22, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
Once again I say GET RID OF THE MASTER HUNTER PROGRAM!!!!!!!! This thread just shows what you all want. If you want special treatment and extra shots at game, then go marry a native. If you do truly want to give back to the program and game animals join RMEF, Mule Deer foundation, Pheasants forever, Ducks Unlimited, or the many other groups doing extra with out the extra tags hanging over your heads. It makes me want to puke hearing all of your "Master Hunters" woes. Just leads to un-ethical practices like this thread is full of. What a Joke!
I don't see any issue with the MH. Some find negative in everything. Is it perfect, no. But not everything is. I went through the program and yes I apply for special permits, but the program is available to everyone. If you chose not to do it, then quit whining about people that do.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 22, 2012, 07:42:45 PM
Post by: fishNhunt on December 23, 2012, 09:19:49 AM
Once again I say GET RID OF THE MASTER HUNTER PROGRAM!!!!!!!! This thread just shows what you all want. If you want special treatment and extra shots at game, then go marry a native. If you do truly want to give back to the program and game animals join RMEF, Mule Deer foundation, Pheasants forever, Ducks Unlimited, or the many other groups doing extra with out the extra tags hanging over your heads. It makes me want to puke hearing all of your "Master Hunters" woes. Just leads to un-ethical practices like this thread is full of. What a Joke!
I don't see any issue with the MH. Some find negative in everything. Is it perfect, no. But not everything is. I went through the program and yes I apply for special permits, but the program is available to everyone. If you chose not to do it, then quit whining about people that do.
I agree....everyone has the chance to get into the program if they wanted too. I think its the ones that can't pass the test that are always whining about it. I always hear about how everyone in the program shouldn't get extra tags. Its not that way, most of the hunt require you to use your general elk tag and that is to only shot a cow. There are now MH hunts for bulls. Yes there are a couple draws you can put in for that would allow you to buy a 2nd tag if wanted. But its not like everyone get to shoot 2 elk every year like some make it out to be.
Post by: cschu02 on December 23, 2012, 12:22:23 PM
Post by: dvolmer on December 25, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 25, 2012, 07:26:11 PM
Post by: danderson on December 25, 2012, 09:05:39 PM
Post by: splitshot on December 25, 2012, 09:27:15 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 26, 2012, 06:50:29 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 26, 2012, 06:55:36 AM
My gut tells me I am in disagreement with damage tags. I'll probably get fried over that, but I am the one that built my house in the middle of the wildlifes yard. Its my responsibility to deal with it, not ask for a handout. You wanted to live in the middle of elk country, well then.......The problem is that landowners can make a claim against the state for monetary damages caused by wildlife. The landowner either gets money or damage tags. I agree that it shouldn't be that way.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-36-110 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-36-110)
Post by: boneaddict on December 26, 2012, 07:03:36 AM
Post by: DaveBTS on December 26, 2012, 07:23:00 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 26, 2012, 07:30:48 AM
Post by: gasman on December 26, 2012, 12:44:47 PM
Based on the first six I can understand a reluctance to post a picture.
I agree, and a friend of mine was successful on christmas eve day on the propery.
Now I'm waiting to get some elk steaks from him :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Dslayer on December 28, 2012, 06:51:15 PM
Post by: Hunter777 on January 02, 2013, 02:45:08 PM
Post by: WSU on January 02, 2013, 02:55:22 PM
I guess thats why I dislike lawyers and our legal system. There is little logic involved.
Having worked at the state senate, I can tell you that there there are few lawyers there making the laws (perhaps doing the technical drafting but not coming up with the ideas). I can also confirm that there is not a whole lot of logic involved.
Post by: boneaddict on January 02, 2013, 03:27:15 PM
Post by: WSU on January 02, 2013, 03:56:23 PM
It was more in reference to lawsuits, which probably started the whole ball rolling somewhere for something stupid.
I would be willing to be that if you looked up the sponsors for the bill that enacted the repayment program it was sponsored by people from eastern washington. It would honestly surprise me if one of them wasn't a farmer of some sort.
Post by: adamR on January 02, 2013, 05:25:04 PM
Post by: fishNhunt on January 02, 2013, 05:46:20 PM
I'm going to regret commenting on this thread because it should have ended a long time ago but it seems wierd to me that for the most part everyone that has a good comment about this landowner hunt has less than 40 posts and has been on the site since Dec... I'm not saying that it is happening it just seems like if people were bashing my money making scheme I might make a bunch of different screen names up saying how awesome my hunts were too... :dunno:
:yeah:
That is what I was thinking, I know I have only been around a couple months. Well only started posting a couple months but I have been around reading on here since about the summer. And one more thing I have talked to a few people that have hunted there and some that live in the area. And he has NO cattle up there. If you read back a couple pages the owner said everyone was jumping the gun and didn't know the whole story about the putting hay on his property. He said he does it for the cattle. But there is NONE and one of the guys I talked to said there were a bunch of apple as well as hay. Who puts out apple for cattle and who leaves cattle up in that area when there is that much snow. NO cattle, hay and apple for the elk.
Post by: bullkiller on January 02, 2013, 06:12:59 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 02, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
you guys are fools. I live on the west side and he's in Yakima. lets use this website for it's intentions instead of what you guys are doingAs long as individuals wish to post experiences and opinions, and not name calling (example: "you guys are fools") this site is serving its purpose. Readers can decide what they wish to believe or not believe.
Post by: boneaddict on January 02, 2013, 06:55:53 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 02, 2013, 07:01:37 PM
We won't discuss who is all sharing the same IP address that is posting in this thread. :chuckle: Thats special.
Theres been alot of that lately :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on January 02, 2013, 07:03:09 PM
Post by: colockumelk on January 02, 2013, 07:22:33 PM
Post by: DeerThug on January 02, 2013, 07:28:07 PM
Post by: Dan-o on January 02, 2013, 09:56:20 PM
The conclusions you jump to based off of hearsay are amazing.
I don't know the guy. Obviously, most of you don't either. But you still pile on, when you simply don't know.
But, if a friend of your brother's nephew's best drinking buddy swore that the guy was trapping Grizzly Bears off his property and selling the claws, some of you would pile on with solid 5th hand knowledge from a reliable source that he didn't even clean the teeth up before selling them.
And I don't think it's fair to say you're not going to discuss IP addresses. Either put out the truth or don't...... That just casts a dispersion, and then you can say "Gee, I never discussed it. Wink.Wink." It's a little like asking a guy if he's quit beating his wife.
How about just a little teeny dose of "Innocent until proven guilty"?
Flame away.
Post by: splitshot on January 02, 2013, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 03, 2013, 02:07:16 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 03, 2013, 05:28:45 AM
Post by: adamR on January 03, 2013, 06:17:41 AM
a friend of your brother's nephew's best drinking buddygo back and read his posts he made himself out to be bad in the beginning and then tried to make him himself seem better throughout the thread and now is getting backed by guys with very few posts.... it all just seems shady that's all I'm saying
Post by: skywalker253 on January 03, 2013, 05:12:07 PM
Example- 2009 I obtain permission to hunt a primarily private GMU. I got permission prior to applying. I brought over fresh crab and fish as a token of my appreciation to hunt. The day before the opener, the land owner tells me the game department issued land owner tags to his family, so I can no longer hunt his property. They want the hunting ground for themselves. Now I get screwed out of my points, time, money, etc. Later to find out this land owner receives those land owner tags, because his name is on the game department land access program list for hunters to contact to hunt. I also found out he was charged with 36 felonies for falsifying damage claims and his oat counts. He is a known PROBLEM with the game department, yet they try and work with him and issue him tags etc. They should do away with land owner tags and damage claims. If the land owner wants the deer or elk gone, then they should have to open up their land to the public or they can make it private and charge a reasonable fee for people to hunt. IMO- Wildlife comes with the territory. If you want them gone, then you should have to work with the game department to manage the wildlife. If not; then absorb the loses until you get sick of it and let the game department do their job and manage the animals.
Don't ever contact WILBER EATON in Dayton 162. He will screw you, just like he screws the game department and makes jokes about it to people like me. Bragging about how he takes advantage of the system and has them by the balls, because he has a ton of land. This MasterHunter guy appears to be doing the same thing, based off the stories I have read. This guys says screw the game department, screw the hunters, and antagonize people within the forum for getting away with it.
Post by: WaHeadhunter on January 05, 2013, 09:44:19 AM
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I also found out he was charged with 36 felonies for falsifying damage claims and his oat counts.
Well, that's B.S. the fact is that that those charges were all dropped and he was not convicted of anything. He does let hunters on his ground, all he asks for is a little help once in awhile to earn the right to hunt there.
If it weren't for private land in the 162 unit there'd be no elk for sure due to the overload hunters put on the public ground.
Post by: bigtex on January 05, 2013, 10:12:54 AM
I also found out he was charged with 36 felonies for falsifying damage claims and his oat counts. He is a known PROBLEM with the game department, yet they try and work with him and issue him tags etc.
Don't ever contact WILBER EATON in Dayton 162. He will screw you, just like he screws the game department and makes jokes about it to people like me. Bragging about how he takes advantage of the system and has them by the balls, because he has a ton of land.
Eaton has gone to court in Columbia County and lost numerous cases against State L&I, State Unemployment Dept, and the Local Farm Bureau. All public record.
Post by: WaHeadhunter on January 05, 2013, 02:45:09 PM
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Eaton has gone to court in Columbia County and lost numerous cases against State L&I, State Unemployment Dept, and the Local Farm Bureau. All public record.
Then take it to the L&I, Unemployment or Farm Bureau discussion boards. ;)
As far as game dept violations, none, nada, zip.
Post by: DeerThug on January 05, 2013, 08:00:39 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 05, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
Back to 3912 was passing through early this morning and spotted a cow by the river, ended up being18 all to gether. All the MH need to do in 3912 is put in the time. this would have been a 15 minute walk and would have cost nothing...
Thats just it, the people that go to this guy dont want to hunt or scout. They want to spend money to drive out and shoot a easy cow. If you spend time you can find easy cows below the elk fence.
Post by: danderson on January 05, 2013, 08:06:06 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 05, 2013, 08:29:13 PM
Are you referring to the 3911, that unit is only on the south side of I-90? 3911 is on both sides of I-90 in most places, and in several places is only on the north side.
Post by: boneaddict on January 05, 2013, 08:47:09 PM
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on January 05, 2013, 10:07:32 PM
Post by: skywalker253 on January 05, 2013, 11:56:27 PM
QuoteI also found out he was charged with 36 felonies for falsifying damage claims and his oat counts.
Well, that's B.S. the fact is that that those charges were all dropped and he was not convicted of anything. He does let hunters on his ground, all he asks for is a little help once in awhile to earn the right to hunt there.
If it weren't for private land in the 162 unit there'd be no elk for sure due to the overload hunters put on the public ground.
Not trying to screw up this topic, but for the record; Wilber Eaton and his wife had me over and explained to me the politics between their family and the game department. He told me he plea bargained out of it. He ended up receiving 7 felony charges and a handful of misdemenors at reduced penalty. He told me it cost him over $23,000 in fines, plus he had to payback over $56,000 for falsifying his oat counts, which he insisted too me that he was innocent and made and I quote "an honest mistake." Either way; I could careless. My only problem I had with him, was he was happy to take crab, fish, oysters, etc. from me, but when it came opening day he did a 360 and told me I could not hunt his property. That is his right, but I planned my hunt out 1 year in advance, lost points, time, money, etc.
And yes he does let a few people hunt his property, but only a small section, which only hosts deer. He told me himself their is NO ELK on that section, and he only lets 6 people per day on that portion. I was not there to hunt deer, I had an elk special draw tag. I lost 8 points because of it.
Post by: losdaddy7 on January 06, 2013, 09:10:17 AM
I paid Rob 500 back in 2010 he ended up having a buddy take me out to show me his land and no elk that day. Never called me back either when I was leaving messages to try and go again once he had my money. When the elk are in there it does seem like it would be easy and I can see why people pay for the access.Same experience I had. He says pay once and you get 1 year of access, then never returns calls after he has your money..... Glad to hear I wasn't the only one to figure out this guy was bad news. I would also point out that his appearance on this site seems to be only for advertising purposes... Take another look at his post record. :bdid:
Is he a paying sponsor???
Post by: boneaddict on January 06, 2013, 09:30:53 AM
Post by: TheHunt on January 06, 2013, 09:56:31 AM
Get that stuff in writing. I only did the pay to play on a farmers land. I wrote up the contact and had the fish and wildlife look at it as well. Made some changes and drove over to pay in cash and had him sign it. If he would have did the 360 I would have said to pound sand and kept hunting. Let him call the cops as I have a signed document. He never did go back on his word but I was ready.