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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Machias on December 27, 2012, 04:57:59 AM

Title: Procrastinator
Post by: Machias on December 27, 2012, 04:57:59 AM: :hello: Yep that's me, the big procrastinator. For a long time I wanted to get an AR for coyote hunting, just never did. I finally decided to pull the trigger and get one around Thanksgiving and started looking at exactly what type of varmiter I wanted. Now I'm FUBAR'd. I didn't want to spend much over $1000. Now that is a distant memory. I realize if a ban is actually enacted I'll never be able to get one at the prices it was before. However if they do not get a ban enacted, how long before you think the prices will come back down to the somewhat reasonable area? Or do you think they will stay inflated now that there is a serious backlog? How do you guys see this playing out? Should I just go ahead and bite the bullet and get one now (if I can even find one) before they are in fact banned? Is there anywhere to buy a complete gun or even parts still? Thanks for any thoughts and or inputs.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: whacker1 on December 27, 2012, 05:30:41 AM: me too. I managed to buy a few lowers, and am backordering parts to be delivered in the future
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 27, 2012, 09:38:13 AM: They are going to get a "Ban" of some sort. They wanted a "Change" the people spoke, now they can reap the results of their ballot choice. A ban on assault rifles and hi-cap mags are pretty much a sure thing. The rest ( No private sales without a FFL transfer etc) will all be up for grabs. Parts will still be readily available. Shouldn't be much different than the original ban the Clinton Administrions imposed but they aren't going to make the same mistake they felt they made in the past, they will set the new "Ban" in stone without a expiration date.

Then they will add to the base ban when they can, the bottom line is. It's about firearms in general, the vast mojority of the true left dislike firearms period.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Machias on December 27, 2012, 10:11:40 AM: I'm not so sure on the ban. I'm not sure they will get it through the House and I bet the Senate is hoping it is killed there because they don't really have the stomach for it. If it does somehow get through the House then all bets are off, it'll pass the Senate and Obama will sign it. I'm just not sure about the House, thank god we didn't lose the House in this last election. :twocents:
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Skillet on December 27, 2012, 10:20:08 AM: I've been watching this pretty closely as well. I agree with Hammer that they won't put an expiry on the bill, whatever it ends up being, but I don't think they will be able to define "Assault Rifles" well enough to be able to completely ban your typical AR-style rifle. The chance of intruding into the semi-automatic shotgun market is what will kill a potential ban on ALL semi-auto weapons, IMHO. It will be hard to buy an AR set up the way you want it, but as Hammer states there will be a burgeoning aftermarket parts supply business. Hi-cap mags? Hope you have a friend with some that will let you borrow a few, because those are going to go away for good. Gun show "loophole" will attempt to be closed, not sure how they'll pull that off though. Don't know if they could push through an FFL transfer for all private party sales without compulsory registration of all weapons currently in circulation.
I'm in the same boat as you though, Machias. I just, over the last year, started really appreciating the AR platform after a serious delinquent from here let me send a few downrange from his (nod to H20hunter). I'm going to hold off to buy until the hysteria dies down now though. There is some seriously high prices being paid on spec that is creating a "black gun bubble". It's my opinion that gun prices will come down to more familiar levels soon after the diluted legislation is passed. The only worry I have is that an emboldened 2nd term Obama will issue an EO if he's not satisfied that the legislation is strict enough. Going to have to wait for a good Republican to take the helm to undo that one. :twocents:
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Jburke on December 27, 2012, 10:20:23 AM: From what I have read it will need a lot of the house republicans and all of the democrats for it to pass. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but I think as the emotions settle the chances of it passing will slowly start to fade. But, I really won't be surprised to see some form of new regulations somewhere
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 10:22:54 AM: Fred,

I say buy a stripped lower. You hedge your bets that way. The entire gun is marked up and everything surrounding it. Get a lower and you'll be locked in.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Machias on December 27, 2012, 10:23:31 AM: Quote from: Jburke on December 27, 2012, 10:20:23 AM
But, I really won't be surprised to see some form of new regulations somewhere

I agree, we won't come out of this unscathed, just not sure what it will be. I guess I need to watch the videos on building and start collecting pieces when and where I can.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Machias on December 27, 2012, 10:24:13 AM: Quote from: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 10:22:54 AM
Fred,

I say buy a stripped lower. You hedge your bets that way. The entire gun is marked up and everything surrounding it. Get a lower and you'll be locked in.

Any good sources or suggstions? Everywhere I keep looking is Out of Stock.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 10:25:27 AM: My crystal ball says that if a ban is not enacted, that prices will remain high through June. There are probably enough back orders ALREADY to push the wait list out that far.

Also, even if the ban isn't passed, Remington, Colt, et al will either expand lines or increase overtime and round the clock shifts to meet demand. That means more investments, fixed costs, and salaries. That will mean higher prices.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 10:26:14 AM: I will ask my local FFL and as soon as I hear back from him I will PM you.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Machias on December 27, 2012, 10:28:24 AM: Quote from: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 10:26:14 AM
I will ask my local FFL and as soon as I hear back from him I will PM you.

Sure appreciate that!
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 27, 2012, 10:29:59 AM: The "Executive Order" is going to be the killer, one way or another they seam to get what they want.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Huntbear on December 27, 2012, 10:30:23 AM: Quote from: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 10:22:54 AM
Fred,

I say buy a stripped lower. You hedge your bets that way. The entire gun is marked up and everything surrounding it. Get a lower and you'll be locked in.

:yeah: :yeah:

Even if you pay a bit more for the lower than normal.. at least get your order into a reliable source... as long as the order is date marked you will get the order shipped even if the AWB goes thru....

PM SENT
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 10:32:02 AM: We can hope. it depends upon how the bill is written whether just getting the order in makes you good to go.
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: poopooheaddad on December 27, 2012, 10:47:20 AM: I too am a procrastinator,, looking for a stripped lower, mags, or a complete AR, my wife and I stopped at a place in Moses lake last night looking, had stripped lowers for $350, that hurt to much, and a beat up bushmaster for $1400 couldn't do that either :dunno:
Title: Re: Procrastinator
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 27, 2012, 04:55:56 PM: Quote from: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 10:32:02 AM
We can hope. it depends upon how the bill is written whether just getting the order in makes you good to go.

All the "Order" would do was buy time. It can't remain in place, it would not be productive to their cause to drag this out. They are trying to move through this quickly before emotions and tensions subside.