Post by: csaaphill on December 27, 2012, 05:37:04 PM
http://americannationalmilitia.com/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out/ (http://americannationalmilitia.com/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out/)
Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.
Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.
Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”
Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.
Post by: csaaphill on December 27, 2012, 06:10:16 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on December 27, 2012, 06:27:34 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 06:36:28 PM
Then wait for the next mass shooting tragedy they can exploit like a bunch of shameless whores. Ironically the gunman will yet again be a left-leaning liberal like Jared Lee Loughner.
Then the confiscation talks will begin. and for the sheeple who were dumb enough to register them, they'll know right where to start...
Post by: TeacherMan on December 27, 2012, 06:42:50 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2012, 06:46:04 PM
I wouldn't know since I don't own one. There isn't a sporting purpose and that's the only tenant of the Second Amendment.
Post by: marlin on December 27, 2012, 06:48:45 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 27, 2012, 07:00:50 PM
If you purchased your rifle at a sporting good shop isn't it already registered?
No, I believe they have to keep the paper work for x amount of time but it isn't sent to any kind of agency other than a background check.
Post by: csaaphill on December 27, 2012, 07:08:02 PM
Post by: christopheri on December 27, 2012, 07:14:55 PM
some of that lingo there I beleive is too broad all guns could effectively be banned under this list an lanuage.Bingo! Winner winner chicken dinner..... >:(
Post by: marlin on December 27, 2012, 07:16:24 PM
Post by: christopheri on December 27, 2012, 07:29:45 PM
The above is what gets me boiling mad! :bash: :bash: Some of them want all of our guns and if this passes they will have the power to do it. This issue is not something that we should try to minimize or say "This will never pass in full" or "This wont happen we are American's they cant take away our 2nd amendment rights". Make no mistake about it, they are trying to disarm all of us! They may not take away the 2nd amendment but they will make it so no one is qualified to exercise it except the military and law enforcement.
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 27, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
And yes they will expect you to register them, hence the "duh"
Post by: netcoyote on December 27, 2012, 07:50:28 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on December 27, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
Teach, not being an ass about it as you say , would just naturally expect a gun that was purchased at a bona-fide "gunshop" to be registered. what would you expect??
And yes they will expect you to register them, hence the "duh"
Sorry about that this stuff gets under my skin more than anything I can think of.
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 27, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
Post by: csaaphill on December 27, 2012, 10:58:52 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on December 27, 2012, 11:13:46 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 28, 2012, 12:01:51 AM
some of that lingo there I beleive is too broad all guns could effectively be banned under this list an lanuage.No kidding....most rifles I know of have threaded barrels. They may mate with the receiver, but they would fall under that kind of language. Even a muzzy is threaded to accept a breech plug.
Post by: scout/sniper on December 28, 2012, 06:46:19 AM
Shotguns are threaded for chokes. :bash: rifles are threaded for scope mounts and sights.some of that lingo there I beleive is too broad all guns could effectively be banned under this list an lanuage.No kidding....most rifles I know of have threaded barrels. They may mate with the receiver, but they would fall under that kind of language. Even a muzzy is threaded to accept a breech plug.
This is very bad.
Post by: cem3434 on December 28, 2012, 07:53:15 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on December 28, 2012, 08:18:25 AM
ya this sheit is serious business. two big differences between this time and last is this list is way bigger. and last time no real talk about registration, and confiscation. A lot of that talk if any was just a lot of hype with no real foundation. This time however there is a whole lot of talk comming from the gun grabbers this time. I seriously hope we don't sheeple this.
There is a silver lining. The anti’s are overplaying their hand. There’s no way in hell that they can get all this passed, and every day that goes by closes that window a little more. I would have been more concerned if they only wanted to ban AK’s, AR’s and hi-cap magazines, but all this ambiguous language is going to send the bill into never never land for months, and by the time it’s all worked out, the people will have gotten bored of it.
Remember, proposed legislation is not adopted legislation. There is still hope.
Post by: philepe on December 28, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
If you purchased your rifle at a sporting good shop isn't it already registered?
No, I believe they have to keep the paper work for x amount of time but it isn't sent to any kind of agency other than a background check.
If someone here is an LEO please correct me if Im wrong.
I went on a ridealong with an officer a few years ago and when he ran the license plates on a vehicle it showed a record of firearms that person owned :o we ran my name just for fun and IIRC it showed a pistol and AR that i had bought at gunshops....I certainly did not register those guns anywhere.
Post by: csaaphill on December 28, 2012, 10:31:52 AM
If you purchased your rifle at a sporting good shop isn't it already registered?
No, I believe they have to keep the paper work for x amount of time but it isn't sent to any kind of agency other than a background check.
If someone here is an LEO please correct me if Im wrong.
wow that's serious and you didn't register nothing huh? doesn't really surprise me though. as whats been said yes proposed is different and hope your right just don't feel that confident.
with their terminonlogy they are inherently ignoring the real reason for the second ammendment and only saying what is sporting.
From all my searches on feinstein biden gun bans etc... this is the universal language. So without dismantling the 2nd ammendment they are single handedly redefining it as we speak.
Were pretty much being grandfathered in under what's sporting not to fight tyrrany.
I always question the audacity of these people that feel that opinion can just change the Bill of rights but it has and is being done.
I went on a ridealong with an officer a few years ago and when he ran the license plates on a vehicle it showed a record of firearms that person owned :o we ran my name just for fun and IIRC it showed a pistol and AR that i had bought at gunshops....I certainly did not register those guns anywhere.
Post by: motg9_6 on December 28, 2012, 03:52:13 PM
ya this sheit is serious business. two big differences between this time and last is this list is way bigger. and last time no real talk about registration, and confiscation. A lot of that talk if any was just a lot of hype with no real foundation. This time however there is a whole lot of talk comming from the gun grabbers this time. I seriously hope we don't sheeple this.
There is a silver lining. The anti’s are overplaying their hand. There’s no way in hell that they can get all this passed, and every day that goes by closes that window a little more. I would have been more concerned if they only wanted to ban AK’s, AR’s and hi-cap magazines, but all this ambiguous language is going to send the bill into never never land for months, and by the time it’s all worked out, the people will have gotten bored of it.
Remember, proposed legislation is not adopted legislation. There is still hope.
heres the problem with this. if they ask for all this stuff and the list gets cut in half they still get WAY more than what they should. this isnt a silver lining at all. the true problem should be addressed and guns arent the problem.
Post by: csaaphill on December 28, 2012, 06:27:10 PM
If you purchased your rifle at a sporting good shop isn't it already registered?
No, I believe they have to keep the paper work for x amount of time but it isn't sent to any kind of agency other than a background check.
If someone here is an LEO please correct me if Im wrong.
wow unless you had a ccl or ccp or ccw whichever it's called. but ya that sounds abit scary or not depending on your point of view.
I went on a ridealong with an officer a few years ago and when he ran the license plates on a vehicle it showed a record of firearms that person owned :o we ran my name just for fun and IIRC it showed a pistol and AR that i had bought at gunshops....I certainly did not register those guns anywhere.
Post by: hughjorgan on December 28, 2012, 06:47:35 PM
If you purchased your rifle at a sporting good shop isn't it already registered?
No, I believe they have to keep the paper work for x amount of time but it isn't sent to any kind of agency other than a background check.
If someone here is an LEO please correct me if Im wrong.
wow unless you had a ccl or ccp or ccw whichever it's called. but ya that sounds abit scary or not depending on your point of view.
I went on a ridealong with an officer a few years ago and when he ran the license plates on a vehicle it showed a record of firearms that person owned :o we ran my name just for fun and IIRC it showed a pistol and AR that i had bought at gunshops....I certainly did not register those guns anywhere.
The local law enforcement will have record of your purchase of a pistol but I doubt they would have record of any long arms you have purchased.
RCW 9.41.110
(9)(a) A true record in triplicate shall be made of every pistol sold, in a book kept for the purpose, the form of which may be prescribed by the director of licensing and shall be personally signed by the purchaser and by the person effecting the sale, each in the presence of the other, and shall contain the date of sale, the caliber, make, model and manufacturer's number of the weapon, the name, address, occupation, and place of birth of the purchaser and a statement signed by the purchaser that he or she is not ineligible under RCW 9.41.040 to possess a firearm.
(b) One copy shall within six hours be sent by certified mail to the chief of police of the municipality or the sheriff of the county of which the purchaser is a resident; the duplicate the dealer shall within seven days send to the director of licensing; the triplicate the dealer shall retain for six years.