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Title: Coweeman Jan 1st cow tag???
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 29, 2012, 10:23:54 AM
We have 2, how many others will be up there with us?
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Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on December 29, 2012, 10:26:30 AM
We will be in the Toutle for the same tag...heard how the snow level is?
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Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2012, 10:31:09 AM
I know 3 people with a Jan Coweeman cow tag and another 3 with Jan Margaret cow tags.  Hope you have better luck in the Coweeman than most of the other folks that I know of who hunted it during late season. 
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Post by: gotcha on December 29, 2012, 10:41:27 AM
Snow will be tuff for you guys.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 29, 2012, 12:29:07 PM
oh PB im not worried. we were into elk during late muzzy. i just didnt have a muzzy elk tag.
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Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2012, 01:29:12 PM
Sweet!  You did better than most of the guys that I know.  One group took them the entire  late muzzy season camped out down there (plus one week prior to scout) to scratch up a couple of cows and a small bull.  Hope you get a big ol fat one!
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 29, 2012, 02:02:47 PM
I do not think this tag will be much problem  :chuckle: Just noy shot one out of someones yard  :yike: :tup: :tup:
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Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
Or a wild horse!
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Post by: mtman on December 29, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
My wife has a tag. She is five months pregnant. Good thing that unit has roads everywere. Should be fun cold weather will have those elk movin. good luck everyone.
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Post by: Turkeyman on December 29, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
Another slaughter begins easy hunt. Couple more years and we wont have any elk in those units. Just what wdfw wants.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 29, 2012, 07:12:46 PM
.not sure it is wdfws goal as much as it is wheyerhauser controlling the tag numbhers...
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Post by: wackum on December 29, 2012, 07:50:19 PM
.not sure it is wdfws goal as much as it is wheyerhauser controlling the tag numbhers...
                           :yeah:
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Post by: EDARD on December 29, 2012, 08:09:24 PM
+3 MORE
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Post by: Turkeyman on December 30, 2012, 01:59:05 AM
Your probably right on that. Ether way its sad to see, i have hunted those units my hole life and its going down hill fast. these elk are being hunted from August till the end of January.  :bash: :twocents: With poaching and the hoof rot problem it wont take long. I was able to hunt in the good hold day's, to bad my kids and grand kids wont enjoy it.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 30, 2012, 09:45:50 AM
Turkeyman, i am right there with you. We used to get bulls every year, now we are getting to the point of every other year. We are into bulls every year still but what we are seeing is fewer and fewer groups of animals.

We had a muzzy cow tag go unfilled, the person in our group that had it couldn't single out a cow without a calf. That is our challenge.

Most people pull the trigger on any cow they see, we will not pull the trigger if the cow has a trailing calf.

Now my 13 year old son has the tag with me, it really is his first big game hunt and he is my focus. I am going to try and hold him back from shooting a cow with a calf because i don't need to ruin his hunting experience with a calf that won't leave. I can fill the tag every day, so i am going to wait untill he has filled his, hopefully tuesday.
We also were blanked in the elk department this year, we did get 3 deer but no elk. Really need to replenish the freezer.
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Post by: Tbar on December 30, 2012, 09:58:08 AM
Should be a fun hunt with your son, I'm jealous. Good luck.
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Post by: Royal47 on December 30, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
Good luck everyone! I will be out there as well!  :tup:
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Post by: kenzmad on December 30, 2012, 02:25:41 PM
I will be there but over in the green mt tag area. 70 year old dad has the tag and I get to play pack mule. :IBCOOL:
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Post by: C-Money on January 01, 2013, 05:09:51 PM
How did everyone do?
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Post by: ICEMAN on January 01, 2013, 05:12:14 PM
How did everyone do?

Wait for it, wait for it..... 

I took me till 8pm to post my Winston Jan 1st pics last year...  Be patient! :chuckle:
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Post by: PolarBear on January 01, 2013, 05:20:24 PM
2 of my friends got their cows out of the Margaret this morning.
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 01, 2013, 05:44:27 PM
I seen some photos of a couple killed today ...sweeeet !! Guess your have to wait and see if they would like to share  :dunno: :chuckle:
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Post by: EDARD on January 01, 2013, 06:16:44 PM
2 for 3 we will try again next weekend.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 01, 2013, 06:48:56 PM
No dice for us today... We didn't make it out of the driveway due to the Ice, the dam snow from yesterday kind of screwed us out of today. But not worried, i have a few days of vacation and a couple of weekends.
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Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on January 01, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Got one out of the Toutle today.
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Post by: PolarBear on January 02, 2013, 10:15:07 AM
My friends cows that they shot yesterday in the Margaret both are skin and bones and had hoof rot so badly that they don't know if they can eat the meat.  When they were skinning them out there is zero fat on either one.  They look like a deer that was shot in early September.  They are contacting the game dept. to see what is up.  They re issued tags for some last year who shot rotten elk.
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Post by: C-Money on January 02, 2013, 10:17:44 AM
My friends cows that they shot yesterday in the Margaret both are skin and bones and had hoof rot so badly that they don't know if they can eat the meat.  When they were skinning them out there is zero fat on either one.  They look like a deer that was shot in early September.  They are contacting the game dept. to see what is up.  They re issued tags for some last year who shot rotten elk.

Thats to bad. Sad to hear/see elk that are in rough shape. That hoof rot is nasty! Congrats to your friends, and hope the meat is ok.
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Post by: Spuddieselwwu on January 02, 2013, 10:19:51 AM
I took mine yesterday out of the Toutle.
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Post by: firedog on January 02, 2013, 07:52:39 PM
Heard from one of my neighbors on the upper Kalama that a guy came rushing down looking for a phone because his hunting partner had shot  cow then had a heart attack. I guess they life flighted him out but neighbor was told the guy didn't make it.
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Post by: MLhunter1 on January 02, 2013, 08:51:21 PM
We got a fat healthy one in the toutle the other day.  Snow level was fairly low and was a nasty snow my truck didnt like.  Hopefully you guys get some fresh powder to travel in.
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Post by: Ripshot on January 02, 2013, 09:22:09 PM
Got'er done. There was a lot of action up there yesterday.
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Post by: ICEMAN on January 03, 2013, 07:46:28 AM
Heard from one of my neighbors on the upper Kalama that a guy came rushing down looking for a phone because his hunting partner had shot  cow then had a heart attack. I guess they life flighted him out but neighbor was told the guy didn't make it.

Horrible news and prayers for his family.

On the other hand, I want to go in similar fashion....on a hunt...just shot my elk...
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 05, 2013, 11:16:58 PM
Well hiked around with my boy today, and he was a trooper. We only saw 3 cows, all were on the road while driving. The 1 i got a good look at had hoof rot on the left rear foot. I only saw her for 5 seconds, but she had a very pronounced limp.

We found lots of track but not many animals today. Hope the rest of the week is more productive.
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Post by: bobcat on January 05, 2013, 11:23:32 PM
Took my uncle into the Toutle today for his cow permit, and he killed a calf. He didn't realize it was a calf until we got up to it. But at least it was healthy, fat, and no sign of hoof rot. There was a cow nearby laying down that would not, or could not, get up due to hoof rot, She was nothing but skin and bones.
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Post by: ICEMAN on January 06, 2013, 09:22:26 AM
God please hep end this hoof rot.
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Post by: PolarBear on January 06, 2013, 09:29:02 AM
My friend got her "replacement" cow yesterday.  She went up higher into the Margaret and it seemed that there wasn't any hoof rot up there.  Yeah, they really need to find out how to get a hold on that stuff.  It might wind up being that the WDFW permits a mass slaughter to eliminate some of the animals.  Or, they will just bring in more wolves.   :bash:
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 06, 2013, 09:55:13 AM
The only answer at this point is mass slaughter .. Very unfortunate but they better get with it now and let the recovery begin and hopefully there is a recovery !
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Post by: kenzmad on January 06, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
My cousin got his cow out of green mountain. Hoof rot on one of the hind legs. That quarter was considerably smaller than the other side. We didn't fill dads tag yet but there is still 10 days left. Seen lots of elk(100 or so) just couldn't put a healthy cow in range.
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Post by: Rainier10 on January 07, 2013, 08:13:33 AM
Had a great time with my daughter this weekend.  Briefly saw an elk first thing in the morning, just the body, really light colored so I think it was a bull, followed tracks into the creek bottom and lost it.  Rest of the day we saw a few deer and no more elk.  Sunday we saw a group of 5 nice bulls and a little later a nice 4 point blacktail.  Saw three cows across the river in the Magaret and then late in the day with an hour to go saw two cows that we had to drive all the way around the unit to get to.  Just as we got to where we thought they were and headed into the trees we heard a shot out in front of us.  Maybe next weekend.

My daughter was a trooper with a super positive attitude.  She kept a notebook of all the stuff we saw like two stumps we put the sneak on, the deer and elk tracks, the "pretty" bugs, some "cool" logs and she really just wanted to see a porcupine if we couldn't find an elk.  You just gotta love hunting with kids, they tune you into the stuff you just don't always see.

Can't wait for next weekend, good luck to all.
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Post by: lokidog on January 07, 2013, 09:01:50 AM
Had a great time with my daughter this weekend.  Briefly saw an elk first thing in the morning, just the body, really light colored so I think it was a bull, followed tracks into the creek bottom and lost it.  Rest of the day we saw a few deer and no more elk.  Sunday we saw a group of 5 nice bulls and a little later a nice 4 point blacktail.  Saw three cows across the river in the Magaret and then late in the day with an hour to go saw two cows that we had to drive all the way around the unit to get to.  Just as we got to where we thought they were and headed into the trees we heard a shot out in front of us.  Maybe next weekend.

My daughter was a trooper with a super positive attitude.  She kept a notebook of all the stuff we saw like two stumps we put the sneak on, the deer and elk tracks, the "pretty" bugs, some "cool" logs and she really just wanted to see a porcupine if we couldn't find an elk.  You just gotta love hunting with kids, they tune you into the stuff you just don't always see.

Can't wait for next weekend, good luck to all.

Sounds fun, good luck next weekend.
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Post by: mtman on January 07, 2013, 05:53:45 PM
Well the wife put one out of its misery. Nothin but bones.Almost no back strap at all.
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Post by: duckmen1 on January 07, 2013, 05:59:10 PM
Mtman
 did that elk have hoof rot to of was it just thin.
Congrats on harvesting an elk
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Post by: bobcat on January 07, 2013, 05:59:40 PM
Well the wife put one out of its misery. Nothin but bones.Almost no back strap at all.

Wow, the head really looks out of proportion to the body. Do you have any pictures of the hooves?
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Post by: duckmen1 on January 07, 2013, 06:00:59 PM
The head looks mature but the body looks like a year and a half old.
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 07, 2013, 06:11:17 PM
Wow ...I think it is time to have a mass slaughter on the ones that need to be shot ...My sons cow last year was healthy lookin ..she did not have any fat on her but she was not skin and bones ...CONGRATS TO YOUR WIFE  :tup:
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Post by: Curly on January 07, 2013, 06:14:16 PM
Well the wife put one out of its misery. Nothin but bones.Almost no back strap at all.


That family photo is a great pic. :tup:  Congrats. 8)
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Post by: mtman on January 07, 2013, 06:45:52 PM
Hoof on the right. I will try and get a better shot tomarrow.
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Post by: duckmen1 on January 07, 2013, 07:47:17 PM
I can see it pretty good. I haven't heard of a healthy cow yet in the late hunts.
The cow I took in the November season for my special permit was fat and healthy though. That heard will be brought down to nothing in a few years if this keeps it up.
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 07, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
Nice pic of the family! Amazing the deteriation or whatever happened to the meat? :dunno:
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 07, 2013, 09:29:03 PM
Duckmen that herd is already down. Nothing like it was 5 years ago.

Hell even 3 years ago. Look at the number of cow tags that have been issued over the last 5 years in the St. helens herd. Thousands. All we are doing is killing the factory, i am guilty of it. This will be the first year i have had a cow tag since 1994. I was building points to share with my son when he finally got old enough to enjoy the hunt.

Hope to be done with this hunt tomorrow.

Title: Coweeman Jan 1st cow tag???
Post by: Deer slayer on January 07, 2013, 09:55:16 PM
I saw a number of them in November around the 6100 and 1675 area. Even the 6100 and 1400 area.
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Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 08, 2013, 05:10:05 AM
This hunt has really reduced the herd size, but I do not see how it will reduce the hoof rot.  Did they ever figure out what causes it?  Fertilizer fueled fungus?  Virus?  What is it?
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Post by: Curly on January 08, 2013, 08:31:59 AM
Someone said they heard it was a selenium and copper deficiency.... :dunno:  If that is the case, I don't know that it is something that can spread............ :dunno:  I just wish somebody would figure it out soon.
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Post by: rackattack on January 08, 2013, 08:53:41 AM
How about all the sprays they are using on the clearcuts these days?  Perhaps it blocking something internally?  If you look at the hoof rot its predominantly around timberlands where they spray their new cuts.  Those sprays are nasty and kill everything. :twocents:
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Post by: bobcat on January 08, 2013, 09:13:26 AM
How about all the sprays they are using on the clearcuts these days?  Perhaps it blocking something internally?  If you look at the hoof rot its predominantly around timberlands where they spray their new cuts.  Those sprays are nasty and kill everything. :twocents:

That would be my bet. Interesting that all this hoof rot seems to be predominantly on Weyerhaeuser lands. But they don't want the elk there eating their trees, so why would they care if the entire elk population dies off due to hoof rot?
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Post by: Curly on January 08, 2013, 11:11:04 AM
Exactly.  I bet Weyerhaeuser  is loving it. :o
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Post by: lokidog on January 08, 2013, 11:14:15 AM
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone is not out to get you.   :chuckle:
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Post by: Curly on January 08, 2013, 11:15:12 AM
 :chuckle:
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Post by: BENCHLEG on January 08, 2013, 05:04:33 PM
rackattack,   im with ya i had this discussion many times with friends. we didnt have this problem when the cuts were burned and left to grow. :twocents: :twocents:
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 08, 2013, 06:28:24 PM
Cow down... 1 down 1 to go, Unfortunately i filled my tag and my boy didn't.

We were coming down hill when i spotted a small group of cows, 5 cows 2 calves. They were just feeding on a hillside. We were 250 yards out and he said he was not comfortable taking the shot. He was excited as all get out. He said dad i think you should shoot one and get an elk in the freezer. She was healthy, no hoof rot. Was not lactating, and had no fetus as far as i could tell... Yes i did look.

At 13 i commend him for letting me know he was not comfortable with the shot. We will be back up this weekend trying to get him on a cow. He was still excited that we got an elk, just him and I.

Oh yeah 1 shot to the neck @ 250 with my 300 win and she rolled down hill 25 yards and never moved.
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Post by: BENCHLEG on January 08, 2013, 07:23:57 PM
Congrats. Go get one for the boy.
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Post by: RClare1223 on January 13, 2013, 11:27:17 AM
Went up to help some friends yesterday we filled 4 out of 5 tags. 3 had hoof rot. But they were still pretty healthy. With the exception of 1 that had been shot 3 times probably at the start of the jan tag. We lost some meat on her from that but we were glad she didnt all go to waste. She would have never made it through winter. 
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 13, 2013, 08:29:23 PM
My son got his today. We were the only ones in the area today. We tried to go out the bottom and the gate was closed, so we went back over the top. That is how i know we were alone.

200 yard shot and my 13 year old put 2 in her and she went down, he had a perfect rest (flat stump). Saw 3 bulls, 2 were very nice. Pics are on the camera so i will post later.

He shoots a 270 win, with 130 grain coreloks. And they performed flawlessly.

And after 5 hours of packing out elk i am done hunting for the season.
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Post by: firedog on January 14, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
How about all the sprays they are using on the clearcuts these days?  Perhaps it blocking something internally?  If you look at the hoof rot its predominantly around timberlands where they spray their new cuts.  Those sprays are nasty and kill everything. :twocents:

That has been my guess also, either the sprays or the fertilizers or a combo of both. Hope they figure it out and soon.
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Post by: huntmando on January 15, 2013, 07:39:03 AM
We pulled one out of there first thing yesterday morning.  A very nice healthy cow, no
signs of hoof rot at all.  We got in to them in different spots every time we were in there.
Having my four year old boy with me this time I couldn't pass on the situation, and him
wanting to hold a leg as I unzipped her was icing on the cake. 
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Post by: Royal47 on January 16, 2013, 07:18:01 PM
Well after 4 full days of hunting and thinking my hunting season was done, I was fortunate to get one more chance for a cow. We saw more bulls than we had ever seen before but were having a hard time getting on the cows. On the 4th day we saw 4 cows leave a patch of trees and enter a clear cut from about a half mile away. Scrapperdude and I made the best stock we have ever been fortunate enough to pull off. We put ourselves in a great position to shoot at 100 yards up the hill. They had no idea we were there. I was so excited as I have shot many whitetail growing up in the midwest but had never got a shot at an elk. This was my chance and I completely blew my shot...ouch. I couldn't believe it. I had waited 9 years to get drawn for a cow. I thought for sure there would be blood and it would be laying in the trees but we found nothing. This was our last day and my chance for my first elk was gone. Or so I thought...fortunately I was able to get a day off from work on Tuesday the 15th for one last chance. We were on elk 3 minutes into the hunt and 15 minutes later I was blessed to harvest my first elk. Not a huge one but definitely not a calf. Thanks to the many hunters that have communicated with me over the last 2 months on this site!
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