Post by: Phishead on December 29, 2012, 01:56:55 PM
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Post by: lonedave on December 29, 2012, 05:49:40 PM
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Post by: kevinmeister on December 29, 2012, 11:16:06 PM
I think the main thing to take from this is that you need to experiment and find what works for you and determine what distance you are comfortable shooting at and that takes a lot of practice.
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2012, 11:26:03 PM
I have a peep. I am comfy to 100 yards.
I'm not saying a guy can't ethically shoot at game with a M/L at 200 yards, but I am saying that I can't.
Post by: kevinmeister on December 29, 2012, 11:37:32 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2012, 11:43:32 PM
If you are still shooting a 35 year old Muzzleloader, then I can understand why your are still only "comfy" at 100 yards. But the newer inline MLs are almost as accurate as a Modern Rifle, especially when you are shooting jacketed sabots.
Yeah, I shoot a T/C Black Diamond XR now. The thing looks more like a ray gun than a muzzleloader (composite thumbhole stock, stainless barrel). It is very accurate - as long as I can use the front dot and not cover an entire target. I have the smallest Williams peep.
I still can't hold groups at 200 yards. Not saying others can't. Just saying I can't, and I know I've shot way more than most.
Clearly, the weapon has the ability to kill humanely at 200 yards. I just don't think many operators do. But, to any that can ----> More power to you.
I think each hunter needs to know their ethical limitations, and that's all I was trying to convey.
Post by: kevinmeister on December 30, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
Post by: usmc74 on December 30, 2012, 09:38:16 AM
I'm relatively new to muzzleloading and bought a beautiful new BigHorn this year. The one thing I haven't figured out is the distance limit on my gun at this point. I can hit targets at 100yards consistently. However I've read about guys shooting upwards of 200yards with their muzzleloaders. How is this achieved? I shoot 100gr of powder with 295 gr powerbelt bullet. do I need to increase my powder volume to get the distance? any info is greatly appreciated.
I didn't have good accuracy with the powerbelts from my bighorn (older model). I have been using the SST, 300 gr, w/100 gr of tripple 7 loose. I do have the peep sight, works great.
Post by: throttlejocky20 on December 30, 2012, 10:28:18 AM
Post by: HoofsandWings on January 02, 2013, 03:30:58 PM
When making a shot, I believe confidence is a big factor. Of course on the other end of the scale, foolishness is a factor.
When I made the shot on a 4 point whitetail, I badly misjudged the distance, but I was confident with the shot.
I thought it was about 100 yards, but when I went back later with a range finder, I found out it was 152 yards.
Standing there, shooting off hand, I had no thoughts except making a good shot at the buck.
Post by: Bean Counter on January 02, 2013, 03:44:42 PM
Post by: kevinmeister on January 02, 2013, 05:44:28 PM
Post by: whacker1 on January 02, 2013, 06:00:56 PM
A scope is illegal in this state.
Yes, but a scope will help you at the range to take the open sight / human factor out of shooting to determine most accurate load.
I did this with my Rem 700 ml a few years ago, and narrowed it down to the bullet that shot best with a certain powder combination. tried several different bullets with various powder combinations.
I only changed powder this year, when I figured out I could tighten the groups a little by going from 70 grain fffg to 80 grains fffg.
I hope to shoot more this spring than I have in the last 2 years now that I should have a hair more time.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2013, 06:05:53 PM
Post by: HoofsandWings on January 03, 2013, 10:10:42 AM
You can use a scope in this state. Equipment and Hunting Methods page 74 section 5 in Muzzleloader Regulations.Only if it is modern rifle season or you are disabled.
3. In addition to the above requirements,
it is unlawful to participate (hunt) in a
muzzleloading hunting season using a
firearm that does not meet the following
specifications for a muzzleloader. As in
the past sabots are allowed. Any type of
projectile is allowed.
A modern handgun may be carried for
personal protection. Modern handguns
cannot be used to hunt big game or
dispatch wounded big game during a big
game hunting season for muzzleloading
firearms.
a. Ignition is to be wheel lock, matchlock,
flintlock, or percussion using original
style percussion caps that fit on the
nipple and are exposed to the weather.
"Exposed to the weather" means the
percussion cap or the frizzen must
be visible and not capable of being
enclosed by an integral part of the
weapon proper. Primers designed to be
used in modern cartridges are not legal.
b. Sights must be open, peep, or of other
open sight design. Fiber optic sights
are legal. Telescopic sights or sights
containing glass are prohibited.
c. It is unlawful to have any electrical
device or equipment attached to a
muzzleloading firearm while hunting.
d. Those persons lawfully hunting
big game with a double barrel
muzzleloader may only keep one barrel
loaded.
4. Hunters with disabilities who meet the
definition of being visually impaired in
WAC 232-12-828 may receive a special
use permit that would allow the use of
scopes or other visual aids. A disabled
hunter permit holder in possession of a
special use permit that allows the use of a
scope or visual aid may hunt game birds
or game animals during muzzleloader
seasons. Contact the Department’s ADA
manager for further information.
5. Muzzleloading firearms used during a
modern firearm season are not required
to meet ignition, sight, or double barrel
restrictions.
Post by: Labs07 on January 03, 2013, 04:55:35 PM
Post by: kevinmeister on January 03, 2013, 04:59:18 PM
That is the trouble with how the WA hunting regulations are written... Two people can read them and come away with two different ideas about what is legal and not legal.... :bash: Again, a scope is not legal during ML season...
"b. Sights must be open, peep, or of other
open sight design. Fiber optic sights
are legal. Telescopic sights or sights
containing glass are prohibited."
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 03, 2013, 05:40:03 PM
You can use a scope in this state. Equipment and Hunting Methods page 74 section 5 in Muzzleloader Regulations.Only if it is modern rifle season or you are disabled.
3. In addition to the above requirements,
it is unlawful to participate (hunt) in a
muzzleloading hunting season using a
firearm that does not meet the following
specifications for a muzzleloader. As in
the past sabots are allowed. Any type of
projectile is allowed.
A modern handgun may be carried for
personal protection. Modern handguns
cannot be used to hunt big game or
dispatch wounded big game during a big
game hunting season for muzzleloading
firearms.
a. Ignition is to be wheel lock, matchlock,
flintlock, or percussion using original
style percussion caps that fit on the
nipple and are exposed to the weather.
"Exposed to the weather" means the
percussion cap or the frizzen must
be visible and not capable of being
enclosed by an integral part of the
weapon proper. Primers designed to be
used in modern cartridges are not legal.
b. Sights must be open, peep, or of other
open sight design. Fiber optic sights
are legal. Telescopic sights or sights
containing glass are prohibited.
c. It is unlawful to have any electrical
device or equipment attached to a
muzzleloading firearm while hunting.
d. Those persons lawfully hunting
big game with a double barrel
muzzleloader may only keep one barrel
loaded.
4. Hunters with disabilities who meet the
definition of being visually impaired in
WAC 232-12-828 may receive a special
use permit that would allow the use of
scopes or other visual aids. A disabled
hunter permit holder in possession of a
special use permit that allows the use of a
scope or visual aid may hunt game birds
or game animals during muzzleloader
seasons. Contact the Department’s ADA
manager for further information.
5. Muzzleloading firearms used during a
modern firearm season are not required
to meet ignition, sight, or double barrel
restrictions.
Why do people always have to argue about a simple question answered by a simple response......... :stup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 03, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
Wish that were true, but you had better check the WA Big Game Hunting Regulations again CAMPMEAT.
That is the trouble with how the WA hunting regulations are written... Two people can read them and come away with two different ideas about what is legal and not legal.... :bash: Again, a scope is not legal during ML season...
"b. Sights must be open, peep, or of other
open sight design. Fiber optic sights
are legal. Telescopic sights or sights
containing glass are prohibited."
Read my response. He didn't ask about ALL of rights or wrongs, he asked if you could use a scope, plain and simple.
Post by: HoofsandWings on January 03, 2013, 07:05:09 PM
If you can quote chapter and verse, then no problem.
But if you are a casual reader, that is something else.
The penalties for being underinformed/misinformed are severe.
If you make a statement, you should qualify it to be sure no one can mis-interpret what you say.
Not all of us read and understand the regs.
Then there are some of us that have never read the regs.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 03, 2013, 07:15:54 PM
Yes, we are making sure no one misinterprets what is said here.
If you can quote chapter and verse, then no problem.
But if you are a casual reader, that is something else.
The penalties for being underinformed/misinformed are severe.
If you make a statement, you should qualify it to be sure no one can mis-interpret what you say.
Not all of us read and understand the regs.
Then there are some of us that have never read the regs.
I know what you mean, sorry for being a little crass, but people should learn how to read, look something up instead of relying on other peoples take on things. It's all right there if they take the time to investigate. :dunno: I never, ever take someones word for it. The best thing to do is call the WDFW and get the wrong answer. :chuckle:
Post by: kevinmeister on January 03, 2013, 10:55:02 PM
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Why do people always have to argue about a simple question answered by a simple response......... :stup:
[/quote]Because contrary to your beliefs, this world is filled with stupid people that would take your word for it and go put a scope on their ML... This is the world we live in.... people that don't read the rules but will take your word for it....
Post by: colockumelk on January 04, 2013, 04:35:27 PM
This year my max limit was 125.
The difference was this year I wasn't able to get out to the range nearly as much as I did in the past. My max range I will shoot changes each year based on how much I get to practise and my confidence level. And yes I have a peep sight, and experimented with a bunch of different loads. Furrently I shoot 100grains of 777 loose and a 300 grain deep curl bullet.
Post by: turkey slayer on January 04, 2013, 09:13:07 PM
rable at 200 yards. But that doesn't mean u are.
I shot 9 month out of the year it might only be 5 bullets a months but I know my gun and the powder it likes and the grain of bullets it like to shoot. I use 120 loose powder and TC 250 shock waves. My gun is sighted in at 4inches high a 100 yards.
I have a kill shot at 187yards deer ran 30 yards and piled up. I have a 176 yard shot that the deer dropped in its track and a 130+ yard shot and fell in its tracks and the last deer was 25 yards bedded down.
Practice is the key with muzzleloader test bullets and try pellets or loss powder.Lot of people don't have anyware to shot I'm forgenet we have a local range out of town that locals can shoot at.
I no a lot of people will disagree with me but that is what I can shoot