Post by: MountainWalk on December 31, 2012, 08:17:02 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on December 31, 2012, 08:20:31 AM
Post by: Gutpile on December 31, 2012, 08:27:06 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on December 31, 2012, 08:28:19 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on December 31, 2012, 08:30:25 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 31, 2012, 08:32:10 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on December 31, 2012, 08:34:14 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 31, 2012, 08:39:35 AM
Post by: Gutpile on December 31, 2012, 08:41:10 AM
As far as factory ammo, I have no idea. I havent bought factory ammo in years.
Post by: AWS on December 31, 2012, 08:45:41 AM
Wildcats a 375 Whelen Improved or something like it on the 9.3x62 case would be about tops.
Post by: 724wd on December 31, 2012, 02:21:12 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 31, 2012, 02:34:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
With the right bullet the 30-06 will do anything the 338/06 and 35 Whelen will do.
Post by: brokenvet on December 31, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
Looking at the reloading manual they are:
338 Scovill
338-06
35Whelen
9.3X62
Unless you reload I would stay with the bottom three I listed
Post by: brokenvet on December 31, 2012, 03:23:36 PM
Maybe Cabelas carries them?
Besides, I don't think you can buy 338'06 ammo at the store. Guess you could online.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 31, 2012, 03:56:10 PM
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2012, 07:24:11 PM
In factory cartridges the 9.3x62 would be the most powerful, if you could find brass the 11.2x72 Schuler/Mauser at 5300 fp of energy would be tops it is a magnum case with a rebated rim so feed rails and everything but the bolt face would have to be openned.
Wildcats a 375 Whelen Improved or something like it on the 9.3x62 case would be about tops.
This is what I'm thinking. For the combination of velocity, bullet weight, and bore diameter off of a standard .473" bolt face, the 9.3x62 will be hard to beat.
Now, does factory ammo need to be readily available, or is buying online an option?
Andrew
Post by: 700xcr on December 31, 2012, 09:19:54 PM
Was a huge 338 WM fan for the longest time, still am. How does the Whelen stack up to it? I think the local gun store only has 200 grain bullets for it. Would like 250's. There such a thing as 250 gr. factory loads?Remington Core-lokts 250gr. in the 35 Whelen. I handloaded for my TC Encore 15" handgun using 49.0grs, of IMR 3031 and a Hornady 250gr. round nose. Chronographed it at 2100fps. out of a 15" barrel. Very accurate load out of that gun but recoil was brutal!
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2013, 01:13:55 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on January 01, 2013, 01:15:41 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2013, 01:19:28 PM
Didn't realize it was that cheap.
I have had several Smith just toss it in with no charge on a full build.
Post by: MountainWalk on January 01, 2013, 02:47:02 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2013, 03:41:07 PM
Ok, since it is so cheap to open up the bolt, whats the biggest you could go to, while still being able to fit in a standard long action. Thinking 375 Ruger.
Oh it can get bigger than that! If your talking lets say a Remington 700 long action. The largest I have gone on a Rem700 long action is the 450 Remington Ultra Magnum. Shooting the 370gr Cutting Edge BBW#13 Non Cons with the polymere tip. Had to have the feed rails opened up and a Wyatt's center feed extended mag box installed but it feeds like glass from the mag box.
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450 Ultra left/ .500 Jeffery right.
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Post by: yorketransport on January 01, 2013, 04:17:10 PM
If you still want to avoid wildcats, I think the 375 Ultra will be near the upper limits of what will fit. If you're willing to play with a wildcat I think that Biggerhammer's 450 will be pretty tough to beat. That's only because I don't think the 460 Weatherby will fit.
Andrew
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 01, 2013, 04:49:51 PM
If you're willing to open up the bolt face, that changes everything! :tup::yeah:
The action lengths are the same and the bolt diameters are mostly the same.
In the first pic, the bolts. The far right is a bolt from a standard long action 30-06. Middle is magnum action for RUM series. They have the same outside diameter on the bolts. You can see (maybe) how much extra material they leave on 06 bolt faces. :chuckle: The far left is for the weatherby mags (just for comparison, but it didn't mic out much larger).
For the lower picture, the left action is the standard long action 30-06, middle is for the RUM rifles and right is for the bigger Weatherby mags. All are the same length. The weatherby action has a groove (I put a red arrow) to allow for the .460 length cases--just a small adjustment to the receiver. So you can see, that the cartridge choices open up quite a bit.
Post by: mountainman on January 01, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2013, 05:30:16 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 01, 2013, 05:34:08 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2013, 06:26:37 PM
Like when it comes to my 450 Ultra, it's hard to beat its energy at point blank with a 500gr bullet but a 300 Win Mag and a 180gr bullet will beat it when it comes to energy at 300 yards.
Post by: mountainman on January 01, 2013, 06:45:20 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2013, 06:47:32 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 01, 2013, 06:52:23 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 01, 2013, 06:54:17 PM
Some of the bigger cartridges will require long barrels to burn enough of that efficient powder to get the performance the cartridge is somewhat designed for. Could go with something like a .458 Win Mag and keep barrel length down, find ammo and have good bullet momentum which would out do that of smaller, faster bullets with 'high energy'.
:yeah:
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2013, 07:56:13 PM
Post by: wadu1 on January 01, 2013, 08:10:18 PM
In factory cartridges the 9.3x62 would be the most powerful, if you could find brass the 11.2x72 Schuler/Mauser at 5300 fp of energy would be tops it is a magnum case with a rebated rim so feed rails and everything but the bolt face would have to be openned.I'm a fan of the 9.3X62; it has been around a long time and still grandfathered in some African Country's as a big boy. For a off the shelf round since the early 1900s you can not beat it. If you are on a hunt in the Dark Content and all your ammo is lost in transit you still can get 9.3X62 you may not get any of the hot US stuff. Elk and Bear have fallen to my 9.3X62 with one shot. Like said the 9.3X62 is a little small for a T-Rex but over kill for a daisy.
Wildcats a 375 Whelen Improved or something like it on the 9.3x62 case would be about tops.
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Post by: mountainman on January 01, 2013, 08:28:44 PM
In factory cartridges the 9.3x62 would be the most powerful, if you could find brass the 11.2x72 Schuler/Mauser at 5300 fp of energy would be tops it is a magnum case with a rebated rim so feed rails and everything but the bolt face would have to be openned.I'm a fan of the 9.3X62; it has been around a long time and still grandfathered in some African Country's as a big boy. For a off the shelf round since the early 1900s you can not beat it. If you are on a hunt in the Dark Content and all your ammo is lost in transit you still can get 9.3X62 you may not get any of the hot US stuff. Elk and Bear have fallen to my 9.3X62 with one shot. Like said the 9.3X62 is a little small for a T-Rex but over kill for a daisy.
Wildcats a 375 Whelen Improved or something like it on the 9.3x62 case would be about tops.
:twocents:
My good buddy uses a neat old double in the 9.3X62 and has slain everything in north America and most critters on the dark continent. He swears by it!
Post by: mountainman on January 01, 2013, 08:35:52 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on January 01, 2013, 11:31:13 PM
All the wildcats seem like fun, but I need to be able to just buy ammunition. Even if I have to get it from cabela's. No credit card, so no online shopping. As for power, what I'm after is a heavy(250-300) slug and three hundred yard capability. I'd like to, if I can scrape together the jack to do it, to rebarrel it with a 20-22 inch tube. Thanks for the help. I'm kinda entertaining going back to the good old 338WM. I've still got good nosler handloads for it, I know the cartridge and I'm a firm believer in it, and ammo isn't too pricey. Still thinking about the 375 Ruger. Anyone know much about the 358 STA? Would it fit a standard length action?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on January 01, 2013, 11:41:45 PM
You would be selling the chambering a little short by going with your above mentioned barrel length.
Post by: MountainWalk on January 01, 2013, 11:44:15 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on January 04, 2013, 12:32:41 AM
Going with 338 wm. Been looking at the Shaw barrels. A good barrel? How much should you expect to pay for a rebarrel job?
Post by: mountainman on January 04, 2013, 07:48:40 AM
Post by: Bwana Bob on January 04, 2013, 08:30:11 AM
Its been to African 2 times where its taken 10 of the large African antelope, all being as large as an elk or larger, an eland.
It has accounted for a moose, four elk, two deer and 7 or 8 reindeer in AK. Its killing effect on game far exceeds its ballistics on paper.
I get 2820fps with those 200gr Barnes X's. My furthest shot has been 275 yd on a reindeer bull.
Its recoil is on par with a 300 win mag but much less than a 338 win mag , especially a light weight one. I love mine and will never sell it.
While this is not the most powerfull option, it's a good simple one, and an easy cartridge to load for.
Post by: yorketransport on January 04, 2013, 09:21:35 PM
Update-
Going with 338 wm. Been looking at the Shaw barrels. A good barrel? How much should you expect to pay for a rebarrel job?
Good choice! I had Shaw put a 338-06 barrel on a Mauser 98 action for me years ago. Shaw may not make a match grade barrel, but my gun shot at least 1 MOA with the 225gr Partition, so that was perfect for a hunting rifle. Sold to a guy here on the forum a few years ago and he's still happy with it as well. I think it cost about $350 total to have them install the barrel.
Andrew
Post by: wheels on January 04, 2013, 09:44:42 PM