Post by: buck man on January 01, 2013, 08:44:23 PM
One of the toughest broadheads I have ever shot. Been using them for 4 years and have taken 8 deer, 4 elk and a cougar. Four of those animals were taken with one broadhead.
I shoot 100 grain broadheads, launched by a 72# Hoyt carbon matrix, and 30" Easton axis 340 arrows.
LET'S SEE YOUR DAMAGE. POST EM.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 02, 2013, 02:37:09 PM
Post by: 724wd on January 02, 2013, 03:19:39 PM
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i switched this year to shuttle T's. blood trails with the montecs weren't very good, though i was able to follow them. i like how they fly and how tough they are, just wish my deer bled a little better. the shuttle T this year didn't make for a very good blood trail either, as the deer was turned hard away when i shot and the hide slid over the hole.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 02, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 02, 2013, 04:40:43 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 02, 2013, 04:44:49 PM
I shot animals out to 70 yards on the first shot with them and never had them act like they heard the arrow in flight. I did not notice it outside like I did inside.
Post by: huntergreg on January 02, 2013, 04:47:44 PM
has anyone else had a problem with them whistling??? I bought three and tested them. They fly great, but they whistle something fierce out of my setup. Needless to say....I don't hunt with them.
my buddy shoots them and they do make some noise in flight. I cant get them to shoot very good. I like the slick tricks a lot better. :twocents:
Post by: kingfisher82 on January 02, 2013, 08:31:14 PM
Post by: buck man on January 03, 2013, 08:43:51 AM
I broke the shoulder on a 6x7 bull and had a complete pass through like my deer also. Penetration is awesome.
If you want the best non fixed blade broadhead I would shoot the rage. Not as good penetration but awesome blood trails.
PS expandable were shot in Montana. :tup:
Post by: MtnMuley on January 03, 2013, 08:47:46 AM
has anyone else had a problem with them whistling??? I bought three and tested them. They fly great, but they whistle something fierce out of my setup. Needless to say....I don't hunt with them.
Yep. Mine will make a slight whistle when I shoot 2" Blazer vanes. This is common. Put them on a 4" vane, and there is no noise.
Post by: sirmissalot on January 03, 2013, 09:01:54 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on January 03, 2013, 09:04:15 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 03, 2013, 09:18:43 AM
I have mixed reviews on them.... they fly great, are very solid, and after some tweaking with indexing and fletching I have not noticed the noisy flight. Have killed both deer and elk with them and the results have been similar to yours in regards to ruggedness.
But.... I am unable to get the edge on them I want. From the package they seem dull to me, I have the g5 flat sharpener and it helps, but still I am not getting the razor " hair pop" of an extremely sharp head. Because of this I have swapped back and forth between, Montecs, strykers, and ST (Slick Tricks). Liking the edge of the replaceables, but the solidness of the Montec. ( all three have killed for me in the last 3 -4 years ) If I could get a "razor" edge on the montecs it would be an easier decision. Thinking about trying a different stone/ sharpening system... or maybe my technique needs changed. Or maybe they are plenty sharp and I should not worry about it :chuckle: Any info is appreciated!
Post by: 724wd on January 03, 2013, 10:00:09 AM
Post by: buck man on January 03, 2013, 10:20:22 AM
Nice pics Buckman :tup: If you dont mind, what are you using to sharpen them up?
I have mixed reviews on them.... they fly great, are very solid, and after some tweaking with indexing and fletching I have not noticed the noisy flight. Have killed both deer and elk with them and the results have been similar to yours in regards to ruggedness.
But.... I am unable to get the edge on them I want. From the package they seem dull to me, I have the g5 flat sharpener and it helps, but still I am not getting the razor " hair pop" of an extremely sharp head. Because of this I have swapped back and forth between, Montecs, strykers, and ST (Slick Tricks). Liking the edge of the replaceables, but the solidness of the Montec. ( all three have killed for me in the last 3 -4 years ) If I could get a "razor" edge on the montecs it would be an easier decision. Thinking about trying a different stone/ sharpening system... or maybe my technique needs changed. Or maybe they are plenty sharp and I should not worry about it :chuckle: Any info is appreciated!
I always use my Arkansas stone system. What 724wd said it true. With the steep angle (30 degree ) approx. it will be hard to get a razor edge. That being said, I have found through my own sharpening and penetration tests, that I have as good if not better penetration with a broadhead sharpened on a course stone, and not honed down with a fine one. I believe, and this is only my opinion that a course sharpened broadhead has little rough spots similar to a serrated edge knife. With this type of edge I get greater capillary damage and just as good penetration. That does not mean my broadhead is dull by any means.
If you think about it , some of the sharpest objects known to man are obsidian flakes. They still use them to this day in some specialized surgeries. If you have ever been cut by these, they cut almost at a cellular level and bleeding does occur but not as profusely as it would by a jagged or serrated edge. Just my thoughts and observations. :twocents:
Post by: h20hunter on January 03, 2013, 10:27:35 AM
Post by: buck man on January 03, 2013, 11:29:44 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 03, 2013, 12:07:09 PM
with a 30 degree edge, you won't see them as "super sharp." most pocket knives are around a 17-20 degree angle and thus able to get "hair popping" sharp. straight razors are 7-8 degrees... VERY thin and VERY sharp! :yike: the steeper angle on the montec provides toughness and chip resistance, and they DO cut! :tup: i still have two in my quiver, with the three Shuttle T's on deck first. replaceable head blades have blades with less edge bevel, allowing them to "feel" sharper, but i doubt you'd want to get shot with either style! :yike: :chuckle:
I agree... I dont want to get shot with either!!! :yeah: :chuckle: Thanx for the info :tup:
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 03, 2013, 12:10:30 PM
Nice pics Buckman :tup: If you dont mind, what are you using to sharpen them up?
I have mixed reviews on them.... they fly great, are very solid, and after some tweaking with indexing and fletching I have not noticed the noisy flight. Have killed both deer and elk with them and the results have been similar to yours in regards to ruggedness.
But.... I am unable to get the edge on them I want. From the package they seem dull to me, I have the g5 flat sharpener and it helps, but still I am not getting the razor " hair pop" of an extremely sharp head. Because of this I have swapped back and forth between, Montecs, strykers, and ST (Slick Tricks). Liking the edge of the replaceables, but the solidness of the Montec. ( all three have killed for me in the last 3 -4 years ) If I could get a "razor" edge on the montecs it would be an easier decision. Thinking about trying a different stone/ sharpening system... or maybe my technique needs changed. Or maybe they are plenty sharp and I should not worry about it :chuckle: Any info is appreciated!
I always use my Arkansas stone system. What 724wd said it true. With the steep angle (30 degree ) approx. it will be hard to get a razor edge. That being said, I have found through my own sharpening and penetration tests, that I have as good if not better penetration with a broadhead sharpened on a course stone, and not honed down with a fine one. I believe, and this is only my opinion that a course sharpened broadhead has little rough spots similar to a serrated edge knife. With this type of edge I get greater capillary damage and just as good penetration. That does not mean my broadhead is dull by any means.
If you think about it , some of the sharpest objects known to man are obsidian flakes. They still use them to this day in some specialized surgeries. If you have ever been cut by these, they cut almost at a cellular level and bleeding does occur but not as profusely as it would by a jagged or serrated edge. Just my thoughts and observations. :twocents:
Thanks for the info.... Given that, I beleive I will try some different stones that take off more "meat", than the finer sharpener from g5.
Post by: MtnMuley on January 03, 2013, 12:22:55 PM
Nice pics Buckman :tup: If you dont mind, what are you using to sharpen them up?
I have mixed reviews on them.... they fly great, are very solid, and after some tweaking with indexing and fletching I have not noticed the noisy flight. Have killed both deer and elk with them and the results have been similar to yours in regards to ruggedness.
But.... I am unable to get the edge on them I want. From the package they seem dull to me, I have the g5 flat sharpener and it helps, but still I am not getting the razor " hair pop" of an extremely sharp head. Because of this I have swapped back and forth between, Montecs, strykers, and ST (Slick Tricks). Liking the edge of the replaceables, but the solidness of the Montec. ( all three have killed for me in the last 3 -4 years ) If I could get a "razor" edge on the montecs it would be an easier decision. Thinking about trying a different stone/ sharpening system... or maybe my technique needs changed. Or maybe they are plenty sharp and I should not worry about it :chuckle: Any info is appreciated!
I always use my Arkansas stone system. What 724wd said it true. With the steep angle (30 degree ) approx. it will be hard to get a razor edge. That being said, I have found through my own sharpening and penetration tests, that I have as good if not better penetration with a broadhead sharpened on a course stone, and not honed down with a fine one. I believe, and this is only my opinion that a course sharpened broadhead has little rough spots similar to a serrated edge knife. With this type of edge I get greater capillary damage and just as good penetration. That does not mean my broadhead is dull by any means.
If you think about it , some of the sharpest objects known to man are obsidian flakes. They still use them to this day in some specialized surgeries. If you have ever been cut by these, they cut almost at a cellular level and bleeding does occur but not as profusely as it would by a jagged or serrated edge. Just my thoughts and observations. :twocents:
I use the Montec G5 sharpener specifically designed for them. Works perfect.
Post by: Whitehunter on January 05, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
Only once I had a tip bend a little by hitting shoulder!
Blood trails are great for most part but it depends on shot placement not necessarily broad head. Sure some are better then other bleeders but I'm not switching! I'm trust my darts!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 05, 2013, 01:31:38 PM
New Zealand Red Stag Hunt 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNxaOfn8_Tc#)
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 06, 2013, 08:47:27 AM
That elk looks a long way from home in New Zealand.
Post by: buck man on January 06, 2013, 06:13:43 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on January 06, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
What's an elk doing with a stag
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 07, 2013, 12:52:37 AM
In new zealand we have elk that were brought over many years ago just likt the red stag. Both are non native to new zealand. My outfitter down there has every animal new zeland has to offer. There is also whitetail deer in new zeland and not many people know that. Most of the elk down there are cross bred between stags and elk.