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Title: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 06:04:48 PM: Cannot figure out why 2 6.5x284 savage lrh are doing this.
My loads are under max.
51g n-165 help
Lapua brass isnt cheap.
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Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: Wazukie on January 02, 2013, 06:08:33 PM: Looks like over pressure to me, but pic is pretty blurry.
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 02, 2013, 06:10:46 PM: Dirt in or obstruction with ejector? The rest of the round doesn't appear to look peened.
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 06:14:15 PM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1279.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy539%2Fwablkandtan%2FCA43BD6B-4249-4210-AD4A-8D97DD4BA7B5-1127-0000020DA80FB80B_zpsa0042ecd.jpg&hash=7ca41342c666c0d2353d0a5f2af6e4250ad44c8f)
Ive got some rounds that get messed up and some that dont. I also have 2 of the same guns and both do it. The gun did have a bad extractor spring and was replaced.
Still doing it.
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: madmack76 on January 02, 2013, 06:18:45 PM: have you checked make sure you are not seating to deep it can cause the pressure to change
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 02, 2013, 06:22:12 PM: Quote from: madmack76 on January 02, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
have you checked make sure you are not seating to deep it can cause the pressure to change
:yeah:
Or not deep enough--like right on the lands?
:dunno:
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2013, 06:26:46 PM: Using VLD bullets ?
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 06:41:14 PM: yes vld
lapua brass
cci benchrest primers
51 g n-165
50thousandths off lans
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2013, 07:05:32 PM: Quote from: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 06:41:14 PM
yes vld
lapua brass
cci benchrest primers
51 g n-165
50thousandths off lans

I just talked to my gunsmith/reloader guru. He said that you're most likely running your loads hot even though they aren't up to max. He said if your not splitting cases, having primer problems, or bolt lift issues, you're probably ok . He said to lower your powder and try that.
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: bugs n bones on January 02, 2013, 07:12:11 PM: Quote from: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 06:14:15 PM
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Ive got some rounds that get messed up and some that dont. I also have 2 of the same guns and both do it. The gun did have a bad extractor spring and was replaced.
Still doing it.
Looks like an ejector slot marking....Use your chrony to find out where your max load is clapping out in velocity and back it of 2 grains from there.. Just because your getting the marking doesnt mean its to hot
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 07:20:25 PM: ok ill try that but i wasent getting awsome groups till i hit 51gr. has anyone else reloaded a different powder for this gun?
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 02, 2013, 07:21:52 PM: Hammered flat primers are not a good sign in my book!!! :yike:
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Post by: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 07:24:24 PM: hammered flat primers? is my load too hot?
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: JLS on January 02, 2013, 07:26:17 PM: Quote from: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 07:24:24 PM
hammered flat primers? is my load too hot?

If that was my gun I would back it off. Is the bolt hard to lift at all after you shoot?
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 02, 2013, 07:28:39 PM: Just because the data says it's not max doesn't mean for your gun it isn't! that's why they recommend backing off 10%
Most of my loads I build are always less than max. I get longer case life and better accuracy. I'm sure many will take exception to this but just what I have found. I'm just learning only been reloading for close to 40 years so it's still new to me.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 02, 2013, 07:34:13 PM: My guess is to hot. I have seen marks like that when playing on the upper end of loads.
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Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 02, 2013, 07:37:47 PM: The primers don't look that bad to me--the edges are still rounded. Does that ejector mark occur with all brass, or just Lapua brass? That's a pretty big case. I'm told Lapua brass is softer than others, but I don't know from personal experience. Never used Lapua brass....
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 02, 2013, 07:41:48 PM: Look at the peened mark in the base from ejector pin. :yike:

I know of 2 788 Remington in 222 both shot the same load one needed a 2x2 block to open the bolt and the other just fell open. Just the differance in the chamber.
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 02, 2013, 07:50:41 PM: When I first got into the short mags and started playing with them I had a 270wsm that was a 700, that sob would not the brass with the ejector pin on almost every load. Alway drove me nuts. Most were not to hot, but some has some zest :chuckle:

I would say back it off and look at your COAL as well.
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 02, 2013, 07:54:53 PM: Quote from: Ridgeratt on January 02, 2013, 07:41:48 PM
Look at the peened mark in the base from ejector pin. :yike:

It looks like the ejector isn't flushing with the bolt face, and the brass is pushing into the ejector channel. maybe the ejector is too short? I think I'd send the gun back to the manufacturer with a fired case so they can see what's happening. If the loads were really hot, the primers would be flattened right into the primer pocket, and be hat-shaped when they are pushed out by the decapping pin. :twocents:
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Post by: coachcw on January 02, 2013, 08:00:04 PM: you may want to try 51.5 of rl19 , fiffty thou off the lands with 140 vlds.
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: wablkandtan on January 02, 2013, 08:03:14 PM: has anyone ever tried retumbo?
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 02, 2013, 08:05:56 PM: Sorry not a cal I rebuild!
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 02, 2013, 08:06:27 PM: Another thing you might check is the thickness of the case necks. The neck has to expand a tiny bit in the chamber on firing to release the bullet. If the neck is a tight fit in the chamber, it may take more pressure to release the bullet. You may need to neck-turn a scosh off your case necks.
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: gadwall on January 02, 2013, 10:01:42 PM: Quote from: Heredoggydoggy on January 02, 2013, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: Ridgeratt on January 02, 2013, 07:41:48 PM
Look at the peened mark in the base from ejector pin. :yike:

It looks like the ejector isn't flushing with the bolt face, and the brass is pushing into the ejector channel. maybe the ejector is too short? I think I'd send the gun back to the manufacturer with a fired case so they can see what's happening. If the loads were really hot, the primers would be flattened right into the primer pocket, and be hat-shaped when they are pushed out by the decapping pin. :twocents:

:yeah:

I agree. The other thing you might try is another primer. I have had alot of problems with consistency with those damn CCI primers. I have had the best luck with Federal and Winchester. :twocents:
Title: Re: 6.5x284 question wierd thing happening? Help!
Post by: jasnt on January 03, 2013, 11:59:37 PM: Just because it's under max listed load does not mean it's not to high for your gun. Looks like ejector scuff and flattened out primers. I would try a different powder if you where not happy with lower loads. Also maybe a different primer.
:twocents: