Post by: pianoman9701 on January 03, 2013, 02:08:27 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on January 03, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on January 03, 2013, 02:18:15 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 03, 2013, 02:20:05 PM
I don’t want gun restrictions any more than you do. I knew when I supported the Democrats that they tend to favor these kinds of restrictions and that was weighed heavily into my decision. At the end of the day, the Democrats pros outweighed the cons and I made a difficult choice. I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either. It’s part of being an adult and living in a world that’s mainly shades of gray.
Occasionally since the election, I’ve had tinges of buyer’s remorse and 2nd guessing, but those go away pretty quickly when I remember the carnival of nutbars the Republicans brought to the table this year. I’m not even sure that Romney would do anything differently in regards to guns, given his history with restrictions while he was a Governor. Remember, W was a supporter of the AWB and only begrudgingly let it expire, as he had bigger fish to fry at the time.
What’s important to remember, is that Feinstein is an opportunist who has been pushing gun legislation for a long time. Is the climate better now than if the Republicans were running the show? Maybe, maybe not. But her window is closing; the CT tragedy is losing steam. Most importantly, is that legislation proposed is NOT a done deal. The sheer cost of what she is proposing is enormous, especially if we go off the fiscal cliff in a few days. The NRA will fight tooth and nail, and the public will lose interest as the waters get muddied.
I’m not saying that we are guaranteed to escape this totally unscathed, but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.
Post by: jackmaster on January 03, 2013, 02:22:16 PM
Post by: jackmaster on January 03, 2013, 02:24:02 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 03, 2013, 02:26:24 PM
but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.We'll see.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 03, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
I assert Mag, that there's nothing more important to Americans than retaining their rights under the Bill of Rights, especially the 2nd Amendment. I have little doubt that with the fear mongering (even though Justice says that gun violence has plummeted since 1993), the dems will now succeed with gun control where they have failed before. If the term slippery slope ever was indicated, this is it. They will not stop with AR-15s and Bushmasters. They're coming after my .45 next, and then the little kid-next-door's .22 with the tube magazine. This is serious stuff and shouldn't be explained lightly away.
Post by: jackmaster on January 03, 2013, 02:38:32 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 03, 2013, 02:40:46 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 03, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
i dont know anyone personally that would vote for somethn like that,But the point you are missing Jack is that "anyone" you know are not the ones that are going to be voting on it. By voting in these liberals that actually do get to vote on it, like Mag did, you are condoning their policies and agendas, there is no arguement against it regardless how he tries. If you voted for a liberal that is going to vote in favor of banning firearms then you are voting to ban them yourself..............period!
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 03, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
This is serious stuff and shouldn't be explained lightly away.
I’m not taking this lightly. I keep my eye on this every day. And what I’ve noticed is that the people are getting bored of it. The gun control talk is getting less and less intense with each news cycle. Any movement based solely on emotion has a really short shelf life, and when the movement is against you, you just have to bare it out while it runs out of steam, and try not to make it worse.
Sometime this month, Feinstein and her goons will propose their legislation. By then, the only people who care will be the anti’s and the shooting community, just like always. I don’t promise a perfect outcome, but we have the numbers, and the money in this fight, which has played out to our favor the majority of the time. The original AWB was a joke, we knew it then and we have the actual, objective data to prove it this time.
Post by: mebco09 on January 03, 2013, 02:57:29 PM
1. The Republicans in the House *censored* out as usual.
2. The bill gets watered down in such a way that it has no real teeth.
Feinsteins bill outlines what they want in a perfect world. You can analize that one and make a case that the way it is worded bans all guns, something about "weapons that have a military use", pretty vague and would include revolvers and pump shotguns. What actually gets voted on will be a feel-good, do-nothing bill.
Post by: csaaphill on January 04, 2013, 04:58:00 AM
I fear it too but a slow death which by then noone will care or even resist they'll just roll over like Australia did. :bash:
Post by: jaymark6655 on January 04, 2013, 05:34:56 AM
Post by: motg9_6 on January 04, 2013, 05:48:11 AM
the media will loose interest but that doesn't mean that its dieing down. media barely covered fast and furious and they didn't correctly cover the embassy massacre so people didn't know what really happened. when a president should have never been reelected the media covered it up. you cannot go on what the media portrays at all.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 04, 2013, 05:59:11 AM
This bill only passes if these two conditions are met:
1. The Republicans in the House *censored* out as usual.
2. The bill gets watered down in such a way that it has no real teeth.
Feinsteins bill outlines what they want in a perfect world. You can analize that one and make a case that the way it is worded bans all guns, something about "weapons that have a military use", pretty vague and would include revolvers and pump shotguns. What actually gets voted on will be a feel-good, do-nothing bill.
So, what you seem to be saying is "nothing to see here. Everyone can go home". Sorry, but that's not the case. We need to continue to pursue our legislators and nail down their positions. Complacency will bring more restrictions, I guarantee it.
Post by: Alan K on January 04, 2013, 06:09:49 AM
I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either.
Easiest decision I ever made. . . :dunno:
Post by: motg9_6 on January 04, 2013, 06:10:02 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 04, 2013, 06:18:24 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 05, 2013, 05:19:39 AM
Post by: bearpaw on January 05, 2013, 05:45:54 AM
Post by: motg9_6 on January 05, 2013, 09:07:13 AM
a must read
http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/ (http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/)
Post by: rickomatic on January 05, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 05, 2013, 05:33:23 PM
It seems the future of this Nation and the Constitution will rest with people like you. I truly believe the Republicans and all those who follow them are to weak minded to deal with the new political style of Democrats. I hope to be proven wrong but fear I am not.
To be honest, I give up.
Post by: xd2005 on January 05, 2013, 05:58:58 PM
Also, don't take your eyes off the state. While the state senate has republican leadership, that's due to democrats voting with the republicans, mostly for financial alliances. In actuality, both house and senate in WA are democratic.
Post by: Fishstiq on January 05, 2013, 06:16:06 PM
To be honest, I give up.
IMO, that right there is the problem.
WJay, I agree with a lot of your posts, and in person I think we would get along pretty well. Please don't take this personally, but that attitude is exactly the problem. People get sick of the anti's whining and constant attacks, assume they will loose something even if it's just a "feel good, little thing", and give up.
That can never happen.
It's like waves crashing on the shore, removing one grain of sand at a time from a beach. Folks, it's time to stop being the beach. That little beach just keeps taking it, and eventually loses everything, because like a weak and whiny little beach, she just sits there and does nothing and never fights back.
Personally, I'm not gonna be anyone's little beach. I'm gonna be the ocean. I choose to be one of those who pounds relentlessly, slowly eroding every threat and blockage to liberty and freedom. Wave after wave of constitutionally supported efforts to return the rights and liberties we have already lost, bringing our little beaches in government back down to size from the giant sand hills they have become. Like an ocean, we must never tire of the efforts necessary to maintain a proper balance. Remind politicians that their oath of office was to uphold and defend our constitution, and to serve the best interests of this country and her citizens.
Now is not the time for anyone who believes in our freedoms and liberty and 2nd amendment rights to quit. Don't choose to be the little beach. Choose to be the ocean.
Post by: csaaphill on January 05, 2013, 06:19:40 PM
Post by: Special T on January 05, 2013, 06:56:01 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 05, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
i posted this link in a another thread but i believe it requires being scattered everywhere.
a must read
http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/ (http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/)
Got that one in an email today,and oh so true
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 05, 2013, 11:46:25 PM
To be honest, I give up.
IMO, that right there is the problem.
WJay, I agree with a lot of your posts, and in person I think we would get along pretty well. Please don't take this personally, but that attitude is exactly the problem. People get sick of the anti's whining and constant attacks, assume they will loose something even if it's just a "feel good, little thing", and give up.
That can never happen.
It's like waves crashing on the shore, removing one grain of sand at a time from a beach. Folks, it's time to stop being the beach. That little beach just keeps taking it, and eventually loses everything, because like a weak and whiny little beach, she just sits there and does nothing and never fights back.
Personally, I'm not gonna be anyone's little beach. I'm gonna be the ocean. I choose to be one of those who pounds relentlessly, slowly eroding every threat and blockage to liberty and freedom. Wave after wave of constitutionally supported efforts to return the rights and liberties we have already lost, bringing our little beaches in government back down to size from the giant sand hills they have become. Like an ocean, we must never tire of the efforts necessary to maintain a proper balance. Remind politicians that their oath of office was to uphold and defend our constitution, and to serve the best interests of this country and her citizens.
Now is not the time for anyone who believes in our freedoms and liberty and 2nd amendment rights to quit. Don't choose to be the little beach. Choose to be the ocean.
I may be the problem. :dunno:
Lets see, I vote, I write letters to Representatives and Senators, I rallied with Rob Mckenna, I wrote Wayne at the NRA. I donate descent amounts of money to what I believe in, I am not afraid to speak my mind.
However things are so tilted to the tolerant why bother with politics here? That is what I mean by "I give up." It is the debate that was started by this thread. "No name calling but we are calling a single member on the thread by name." And honestly, Mags was pretty stand up about it. And it's not to pick on the thread, it's a fair question.
My intention or reason to post on the thread is, isn't there any common ground with the liberal minded or Union minded, or Just those that support the Democrats, that the Conservative, Capitalist, Republican, Libertarian, or the "I just don't care crowd?" Can we come together on something this important? Democrats are in power, and "The Power" wants to severely restrict and try to control guns in the Country. There is an flat out call to do away with the Constitution by some. There is talk of taking a rope, tying it around the neck of Republicans and dragging them around behind a truck until they see logic. Isn't all this worth publicly condemning?
But here, we will worry about things like silly words and which ones to ban. Behavior matters, I get it. But what should be scary to the little kids here is if things continue on track they will have no future. The worst word is
$22,000,000,000,000. The worse word will be when Mom and Dad see what will be missing from their paycheck, Grandpa and Grandma to. They will have a few bad words. But, it is wrong to not be nice. They take and take but, we need to be nice. We talk of "tolerance" but removing guns will remove "tolerance" on a level that has not been seen in this nation for a long, long time. Everyone watch.
This thread should have been moved to speak your mind IMO. But again, rather than worry about words, and namecalling on a thread that calls a person out by name. (One I respect for being stand up about it.)
I will just give up.
This is a hunting site. It is not a political activist site.
I speak a lot about politics because it has effected how and where I hunt. There have been people who inspired me to speak out. I have shown up to WDFW meeting and been alone, literally outnumbered by WDFW employees at the meetings. (Course I am a member of one.) So WFW seemed like an idea for an alliance.
I had hoped that current events would organize people. All of us. Until people are ready to come to the :fire.: I am better off to just save my time & build an AR. (I mean train.)
That is what I mean by "I give up."
Maybe someday people will come to my camp but for now I don't think many are there. We have been kept in a constant state of crisis for years. There is no time for debate and all things must be done at an emergency pace. They would never be done otherwise. This will be more of the same in the weeks to come. No time for law no time for debate. But everyone, remember to be tolerant, it is nice.
Post by: hillbilli on January 06, 2013, 12:11:11 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on January 06, 2013, 08:46:14 AM
I posted this in another thread, but it's still pretty much my official answer:
I don’t want gun restrictions any more than you do. I knew when I supported the Democrats that they tend to favor these kinds of restrictions and that was weighed heavily into my decision. At the end of the day, the Democrats pros outweighed the cons and I made a difficult choice. I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either. It’s part of being an adult and living in a world that’s mainly shades of gray.
Occasionally since the election, I’ve had tinges of buyer’s remorse and 2nd guessing, but those go away pretty quickly when I remember the carnival of nutbars the Republicans brought to the table this year. I’m not even sure that Romney would do anything differently in regards to guns, given his history with restrictions while he was a Governor. Remember, W was a supporter of the AWB and only begrudgingly let it expire, as he had bigger fish to fry at the time.
What’s important to remember, is that Feinstein is an opportunist who has been pushing gun legislation for a long time. Is the climate better now than if the Republicans were running the show? Maybe, maybe not. But her window is closing; the CT tragedy is losing steam. Most importantly, is that legislation proposed is NOT a done deal. The sheer cost of what she is proposing is enormous, especially if we go off the fiscal cliff in a few days. The NRA will fight tooth and nail, and the public will lose interest as the waters get muddied.
I’m not saying that we are guaranteed to escape this totally unscathed, but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.
Only because us nutjob republicans will fight it.
Post by: Fishstiq on January 06, 2013, 09:13:40 AM
Apologies if my post came across poorly, but I do not believe that right now is the time to quit on any front. My hat is off to you for your time and effort being an activist for what you believe in; it's a good reminder that I need to be more active than I am.
As for the board asking us to play nice... :dunno: it's not my ball, my bat or my field, so if I wanna play I guess I'll play nice....here.
Oh, and as to the OP... Mags, if/when they say it's time to register or turn in your guns, I'm curious, what will you do?
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 08, 2013, 02:56:15 PM
Oh, and as to the OP... Mags, if/when they say it's time to register or turn in your guns, I'm curious, what will you do?
Nothing I CAN do, all my guns were lost is a tragic boating accident.
Post by: Bofire on January 08, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Post by: 300rum on January 08, 2013, 08:39:08 PM
:) Yup I was standing there at the boat ramp when Mags boat flipped, funny thing is he saw my boat go down also!!? :chuckle: See we can agree :tup: :tup:
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 09, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
:) Yup I was standing there at the boat ramp when Mags boat flipped, funny thing is he saw my boat go down also!!? :chuckle: See we can agree :tup: :tup:
It was a really expensive day for all of us.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 10, 2013, 09:39:55 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 10, 2013, 09:59:53 AM
Post by: motg9_6 on January 10, 2013, 10:06:59 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on January 10, 2013, 10:18:09 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 10, 2013, 10:28:13 PM
Wait until the State figures out that the stupid gun ban is costing them money. I hunt with my AR15s. When they are made illegal, there will be no need to buy a hunting license any more. besides, I sold all my guns to a guy named Jose--or was it Arturo--or Ramon--I don't remember.... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Really I sold mine to a guy who goes by Mag's!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 10, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
I thought I would never sell, but Eric Holder offerred me more than enough money for me to reconsider.
Doesn't matter--they'll all go to the same place, Si Senor? :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on January 11, 2013, 09:44:36 AM
I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either.
Easiest decision I ever made. . . :dunno:
Yup. No brainer'. Romney would not be supporting a gun banning party like the load of crap bo is stirring up.
Post by: Special T on January 11, 2013, 01:03:45 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 11, 2013, 02:29:29 PM
Voting for John McCain was a lot harder than Mitt Romney. :twocents:
Faced with Obama as the alternative, that vote was just as easy. I would have voted for Groucho Marx over Obama in either election.
Post by: Special T on January 11, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
for the 2nd elevet we KNEW what kind of leader Obama was, and while i was not overly enthusiastic about Romney It was easy to pull the lever for him.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 11, 2013, 02:36:42 PM
It was harder for 2 reasons. McCain gave me very lttile reason to vote for him, and we didn't know for certain/the extent that Obama would try to destroy America.
for the 2nd elevet we KNEW what kind of leader Obama was, and while i was not overly enthusiastic about Romney It was easy to pull the lever for him.
I knew it from the time he became a candidate. The Rev. Wright was the first indication. The next was his schooling at Columbia.