Post by: skywalker253 on January 05, 2013, 12:30:21 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on January 05, 2013, 12:35:46 AM
please refrain from using profanity
Post by: coachcw on January 05, 2013, 08:30:51 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on January 06, 2013, 07:31:42 PM
Hunting has gotten away from the traditions of old. 25 years ago we could walk anywhere and hunt, as long as it was not posted. Now all the land is getting posted up or leased out, so an outfitter can charge hunters to hunt. I have zero issue with outfitters making money, but Deadman in particular has plenty of property around Coulfax and north of Pomeroy to hunt. Now they are moving into the blue mtn. foothills and leasing out land. Plus Puget Sound Energy confided in them to hand out permission slips to access the windmill project. They managed it poorly, which ultimately means less ground for the public to hunt. It is basically a double whammy to the public and getting worse by the year. IMO- the game department should lease the land, or at least have control over the windmill project hunting access for the public. They are the ones, which manage the game and the hunters. If they don't have the money to start leasing land, then they better come up with more creative ways of making $ to do so. Otherwise many hunters will just bag hunting in Wa and head out of state. If I have to pay to hunt, just to shoot an average deer or elk; see you later Wa.
Bingo! Bad enough boneville gave the Umatillas Robinette, now ya gotta deal with useless windmills. Who's power bill went down due to these anyway?
Post by: jackelope on January 06, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
Post by: deadmancreek on January 07, 2013, 01:52:57 PM
Thanks.
Jack
Post by: eastsidemallard74 on January 07, 2013, 02:08:43 PM
Post by: lokidog on January 07, 2013, 02:18:25 PM
Hey boys. Mr. Deadman Creek Outfitters here. If you have some specific questions I could address for you, let me know if I can help.
Thanks.
Jack
Maybe address the issues already posted? I don't hunt the area but sounds kind of hinky and stinky. :dunno:
Post by: Curly on January 07, 2013, 02:21:31 PM
Post by: walt on January 07, 2013, 02:36:19 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on January 07, 2013, 03:09:26 PM
Post by: gasman on January 07, 2013, 03:14:09 PM
Hey boys. Mr. Deadman Creek Outfitters here. If you have some specific questions I could address for you, let me know if I can help.
Thanks.
Jack
Maybe address the issues already posted? I don't hunt the area but sounds kind of hinky and stinky. :dunno:
:yeah:
Post by: deadmancreek on January 07, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
Our membership limit is 35, and we are full every year by the end of September, so if someone was trying to sell a membership to our club, then they were misrepresenting our operation. It certainly was not me.
We have no land on Sweeney Gulch or in the foothills of the Blues. There are a couple of clubs out there, but they are not us.
We have no land up north by Colfax. Most of our pproperty is in Garfield County, though we do have about 6,000 acres in Whitman County around Central Ferry.
Our store is only open weekends following deer season, and is closed for the year the weekend before Thanksgiving. PSE approached us about helping the sportsmen out (we don't get paid for doing this nor do we get any special privileges) I's certain we could have done a better job of managing the applicants, but I cannot afford to keep the place open for just that purpose.
I could share with you many stories about road hunters, poaching, parents making their kids lie, etc. Let me just say that for every legitimate sportsman out there who we may have come across as heavy handed, I sincerely apologize.
Post by: coachcw on January 07, 2013, 05:06:39 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on January 07, 2013, 05:39:41 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 07, 2013, 06:12:27 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 07, 2013, 06:23:45 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on January 07, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
Post by: Northforker on January 07, 2013, 09:44:50 PM
Not being ones to let a great day in the field be wasted we took a different rout home and got the dogs some work, a little exercise and flung some steel.
Post by: deadmancreek on January 09, 2013, 09:10:41 AM
There were volunteers from PSE in the store opening weekend of deer season at 5:30 both mornings, and between them and my staff, all were trained how to do the registration process.
Which member did you speak with that possessed all this information. None of it is accurate, and I questions whether it is a member at all.
I told PSE right from the beginning what our hours were going to be, etc. and they had no where else to turn. As for returning phone calls, the message gave you an alternate number to call. Once we were closed for the season, PSE changed the information on their web site to reflect that. Beyond that, it was out of our control.
I have no idea with whom you spoke at the club, but I must reiterate that information is inaccurate. I also would suggest that you contact PSE directly, inform them of your concerns, and see what type of response you receive. It think that would be most helpful for you. Good Luck.
Post by: lokidog on January 09, 2013, 09:39:55 AM
Perhaps it is true that we received no compensation for trying to help everyone out because no one else was interested in working with PSE?
There were volunteers from PSE in the store opening weekend of deer season at 5:30 both mornings, and between them and my staff, all were trained how to do the registration process.
Which member did you speak with that possessed all this information. None of it is accurate, and I questions whether it is a member at all.
I told PSE right from the beginning what our hours were going to be, etc. and they had no where else to turn. As for returning phone calls, the message gave you an alternate number to call. Once we were closed for the season, PSE changed the information on their web site to reflect that. Beyond that, it was out of our control.
I have no idea with whom you spoke at the club, but I must reiterate that information is inaccurate. I also would suggest that you contact PSE directly, inform them of your concerns, and see what type of response you receive. It think that would be most helpful for you. Good Luck.
Most prepared hunters like to do things a bit before opening morning. :dunno:
Post by: Chesapeake on January 09, 2013, 03:00:02 PM
Perhaps it is true that we received no compensation for trying to help everyone out because no one else was interested in working with PSE?
There were volunteers from PSE in the store opening weekend of deer season at 5:30 both mornings, and between them and my staff, all were trained how to do the registration process.
Which member did you speak with that possessed all this information. None of it is accurate, and I questions whether it is a member at all.
I told PSE right from the beginning what our hours were going to be, etc. and they had no where else to turn. As for returning phone calls, the message gave you an alternate number to call. Once we were closed for the season, PSE changed the information on their web site to reflect that. Beyond that, it was out of our control.
I have no idea with whom you spoke at the club, but I must reiterate that information is inaccurate. I also would suggest that you contact PSE directly, inform them of your concerns, and see what type of response you receive. It think that would be most helpful for you. Good Luck.
Most prepared hunters like to do things a bit before opening morning. :dunno:
What government bureaucrat came up with the idea of doing registrations at 5:30 AM opening morning is what I'd like to know? Or is that something Deadman came up with?
Here's a question for you Deadmancreek;
How many of your "club members" had their "registration" complete prior to those 5:30 opening weekend registration events?
Post by: HntnFsh on January 09, 2013, 06:24:39 PM
Hey boys. Mr. Deadman Creek Outfitters here. If you have some specific questions I could address for you, let me know if I can help.
Thanks.
Jack
Thank you for coming on here and giving us your input! :tup:
Post by: Anne Walsh on January 11, 2013, 02:52:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 11, 2013, 03:16:44 PM
sdfsdf
Anne- I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Some kind of code?
Do you work for Puget Sound Energy?
Post by: mfswallace on January 11, 2013, 03:23:21 PM
sdfsdf
Anne- I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Some kind of code?
Do you work for Puget Sound Energy?
Looks like some one from deadman started a different account and chimed in with nonsense like the rest of the explanations..... :dunno:
Post by: jackmaster on January 11, 2013, 03:58:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 11, 2013, 04:14:22 PM
something is a little fishy about this, i am willing to bet that there are other outfitters in this state that would be willing to take this over for pse and perhaps do a better job of it, thats alot of driving and runnin around, just to get the run around :chuckle: :chuckle: sorry....but seriously who only opens at 5:30 on opening day when you have customers that are wanting to get their stuff squared away long before that, how can a guy even do any scouting :dunno:Agreed. I don't hunt there but have had similar experiences in other states. Its obvious the guy has no intention of addressing the real issue, maybe its time the site banned together and started sending email's, phone calls, to PSE, demanding they change their people in charge of this. :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on January 11, 2013, 04:23:59 PM
sdfsdf indicates a "runtime error" ;)sdfsdf
Anne- I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Some kind of code?
Do you work for Puget Sound Energy?
Post by: Curly on January 11, 2013, 05:21:17 PM
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‘sdfsdf ‘means, I would argue, ‘I am testing’, or even more specifically, ‘I am now testing what can be seen’. It’s another performative expression because there is no semantic distance between typing this string and doing what it says, in the same way that there is no semantic distance between saying ‘I do’ in your marriage vows and actually performing your marriage vows. Saying is doing.
I found the above description here (http://www.rereviewed.com/roguesemiotics/?p=377) Hopefully, Ann will elaborate........sounds like she disagrees with someone. :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on January 11, 2013, 05:26:26 PM
Anne Walsh
Sr. Environmental and Communications Project Manager
Hopkins Ridge & Lower Snake River
307 E. Main Street
Dayton, WA 99328
anne.walsh@pse.com | 509-382-2043
A member of our team since 2005
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 11, 2013, 05:37:16 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 11, 2013, 06:14:06 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on January 11, 2013, 06:21:43 PM
Post by: Caseyd on January 11, 2013, 06:31:14 PM
Wow have times changed, when I was in high school I drove that road in the summer hauling grain to central ferry. I worked for the Blachtly sp family. They would not let any of us hunt there property. Lee was in charge pretty much of the farm, I wonder if they sold out the farm. I had another farm I hunted that was owned by the Dixon family, I dated the grand daughter a little while, and grandpa loaned his rifle that I shot my first two muleys with. That area always had a decent whitetail population.
Which Dixon :chuckle:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 11, 2013, 06:36:07 PM
How do you know them?
Post by: huntnphool on January 11, 2013, 10:33:58 PM
But if they are not accessable you need to go directly to PSE and complain.
You can do it in person at DCO, if they are avaliable to help the hunters out.
Post by: ellensburgpo on January 11, 2013, 10:55:32 PM
Post by: JLS on January 11, 2013, 11:03:35 PM
My only issue I have; why is Mrs. Walsh answering questions directed at DCO, who ultimately is the one responsible. Unless I am incorrect; I beleive Deadman previously stated PSE put him in charge of issuing permission.
Ummm, maybe because DCO is acting as a representative of PSE, and they would like to know how to correct the issues that may or may not be present? Since PSE owns the land, wouldn't they have the ultimate and final say in things? Personally, I'd be quite happy that Mrs. Walsh has expressed interest in the subject since she could have just as easily ignored it.
Post by: Landowner on January 13, 2013, 12:47:59 PM
FWIW, I don't see the club hunting catching on in any significant way for the foreseeable future in the Dayton 162 unit, at least in the foothills areas.
Just my opinion.
Post by: mfswallace on January 13, 2013, 12:57:16 PM
I respect Deadman for posting candidly on here.
FWIW, I don't see the club hunting catching on in any significant way for the foreseeable future in the Dayton 162 unit, at least in the foothills areas.
Just my opinion.
unless......
people like Deadman keep getting to "help" those that own land and regulate how it is hunted so only their members get info and hunting opportunities..... :bash:
Post by: Odell on January 13, 2013, 06:57:15 PM
I respect Deadman for posting candidly on here.
FWIW, I don't see the club hunting catching on in any significant way for the foreseeable future in the Dayton 162 unit, at least in the foothills areas.
Just my opinion.
by 'candidly' do you mean not answering the actual questions?
Post by: mfswallace on January 13, 2013, 07:13:35 PM
My only issue I have; why is Mrs. Walsh answering questions directed at DCO, who ultimately is the one responsible. Unless I am incorrect; I beleive Deadman previously stated PSE put him in charge of issuing permission.
Ummm, maybe because DCO is acting as a representative of PSE, and they would like to know how to correct the issues that may or may not be present? Since PSE owns the land, wouldn't they have the ultimate and final say in things? Personally, I'd be quite happy that Mrs. Walsh has expressed interest in the subject since she could have just as easily ignored it.
She did ignore it, what kind of interest is shown with asldkfjsal;
or whatever the person who started an account as anne walsh did....
I bet it was someone from DCO getting some misdirection going with a name they new would lead to PSE... :twocents:
Post by: Landowner on January 13, 2013, 07:41:42 PM
I respect Deadman for posting candidly on here.
FWIW, I don't see the club hunting catching on in any significant way for the foreseeable future in the Dayton 162 unit, at least in the foothills areas.
Just my opinion.
by 'candidly' do you mean not answering the actual questions?
No, candidly meaning the fact Deadman posted at all. I've spoken with Anne Walsh. I suspect she'll answer any questions or concerns brought to her attention. That doesn't mean the answers will be liked by all.
Post by: 400out on January 14, 2013, 01:51:54 PM
I'll keep hunting dixons :chuckle:
Post by: mfswallace on January 18, 2013, 04:22:17 PM
Post by: dvolmer on January 24, 2013, 10:24:27 AM
Still no response from Deadman Creek; even thou he has logged in nearly every day since I responded to his post with my questions. Questions, which were never answered. Questions directed at his him and not PSE. Not responded is a form of guilt. Kick rocks then!
I have read this post and came up with the conclusion that this Deadman fellow has to be getting something in return for doing this deal with PSE. Who in the right mind would want to organize and run such a madhouse for nothing? he is doing it for some reason that benefits him or his clients. No one including me or any of you would have the time or desire to even consider something like this if we were not compensated somehow.
If the government is subsidizing these windmills with tax money to make them equatable than the taxpayers should get the benefit of the recreation of the land they paid for. But this brings up a whole other issue with CRP land that we pay the landowners with our tax money and in return they lease the land off to a club or their friends to hunt with our taxes flipping the bill. I wonder how much of this Deadmans land that he leases is in CRP that we are funding also. Maddening to say the least. All of these issues should have been resolved in the legal contracts before they signed them and gotten any money from "We the People". The common man pays and the rich man gets. Sort or reminds you of French government in the 1700's.
Post by: deadmancreek on January 25, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
I didn't realize how unpopular our little operation, or me specifically had become. Good Lord. Just to clarify, we get nothing except foot traffic through our store and RV Park. I do believe I am of sound mind, but apparently not. As for my members getting secret access to the windmill site, why would they want to? They pay good money to hunt 40,000 acres of some of the best property in Southeastern Washington.
Again, I would encourage you to contact PSE directly with your questions, or your concerns about the apparent rampant corruption taking place within the windmill project. :) It is my understanding they will also be using Four Star Supply in Pomeroy as another location to pick up permits. Their compensation will be the same as ours - more foot traffic through their business.
I wish each of you the best of luck in your hunting pursuits. This is Deadman Creek signing off.....
Post by: lokidog on January 25, 2013, 09:43:37 AM
Post by: mfswallace on January 25, 2013, 09:48:31 AM
If it was even her and all her 1posts :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on January 25, 2013, 09:53:50 AM
Still wondering where Anne Walsh went :dunno:
If it was even her and all her 1posts :dunno:
Give her a call, I posted her phone number.
Post by: jdigital0923 on January 30, 2013, 05:11:50 PM