Post by: motg9_6 on January 05, 2013, 08:59:34 AM
http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight (http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight)
Post by: csaaphill on January 06, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
http://mobile.wnd.com/2009/12/120363/ (http://mobile.wnd.com/2009/12/120363/)
creepy to say the least. wonder if we should be leaping out the pot now?
Post by: csaaphill on January 06, 2013, 02:57:34 PM
what I seen on there not the rant but some of the links like the one I posted scares me.
Post by: Bean Counter on January 07, 2013, 02:21:49 AM
Post by: csaaphill on January 07, 2013, 03:35:29 AM
Post by: motg9_6 on January 08, 2013, 01:56:55 PM
Posted on January 3, 2013by Dean Garrison
I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.
About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.
Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.
I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.
For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.
We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority can not take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.
I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.
Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.
I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.
I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas and Patriotic Americans take *censored* off of no one, especially our own government. For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?
I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I can not tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.
For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.
Are you willing to die to take my guns?
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 08, 2013, 02:20:52 PM
If you did stand up for your rights, you wouldn't have the money, time, or political pull to make it to the Supreme Court and have your day in court. And unfortunately, saying the constitution gives you the right won't keep you out of jail.
I did like how he clarifies we are not a democracy, but a constitutional republic. That is the truth, even if 90 % of us wanted slaves, we couldn't have them, yet if the majority of Americans want guns banned, they will probably get it. It sad how the government has completely screwed up a nation that so many sacrificed everything to start. What can we do?!
Post by: csaaphill on January 08, 2013, 08:38:47 PM
Post by: csaaphill on January 08, 2013, 11:36:02 PM
To all those that say the Second Ammendment is out dated. Where in the heck do you get that. Just because were in 2013 doesn’t mean fighting tyrrany is outdated. You can regulate us all you want, but as humans we have the right to rebel if and when needed.
Also to the uneducated: A well regulated Militia has nothing to do with Gov regulations it has more to do with a well armed prepared militia the security of a state the rights of the people and people being the operative word here not the rights of those deemed ok by a Socialasit Gov. Which no true Socialist is going to ok in the first place. To the one who keeps wanting to ammand the second ammendment and couldn’t get a good responce.
First and formost what about being a Republic do you not understand were not a true deomcrocy, I don’t care what how you people try to dupe us into thinking that it is not true.
Secondly those are fighting words to us. Telling people that Majority rules and is absolute is tyyrany. That is the very reason were a Republic and not simply a democracy. In Democracy the majority rules and the Minority has little or no defence, but to follow or get incarcerated or worse. In a Republic all citizens have rights and not what Society/the colective deems to dole out. So when I hear as a society we need to make sacrafices that just irks me. You people that say such things again seem to not understand that a right is a right is a right. Not where one ends and your’s start crap. The second ammendment doesn’t simply stand asside for you or anyone; it stands proud and loud, and says if you can’t get what you want without ignoring me, or without somehow undermining my meaning then you can’t have it. Simple no other discussion needed. It looks like those that say such things as need want or anyother statement that they can think of does just that: it undermines the second ammendment and the collective have to get rid of you, or somehow change it to make what they want to happen. Technically we should have rebeled in 1994, but I think we were somehow still under the spell of the collective that it’s for the more common good so we let it go. This is America we owe nothing to society or a collective especially if that collective wants to do away or somehow dumb down those rights. Utalatarianism mixed with socialism, is the most dangerious thing in this country. This is something that even it’s supporters should be afraid of. For anything not deemed for the common good, can and will be denied. To those that say were nuts or can’t win. Lets put it this way I’m the Gov and I come to your house and start telling you how to do things and what and when, how long will it be before you forcibly throw me out. Same thing here. We can win because we have the deeper sense of humanity on our side rather than what’s good for the here and now. People will put up with Govornment for a long time and Sheeple it up to a point, but once that line is crossed we will fight back. And my dear liberals, Socialsits, Collectives, Greater good etc… Is the human right over any peace and safety conspiracy/agenda you have.
You can tell us we have to give up our rights for the common good only so far, before we rebel against that. ANd yes we have that right all humans have that right. No the 2nd ammendment is not open for interpretation it means exactly what I/we say it means. You can’t just simply read these kinds of statements of “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people’s liberty teeth keystone… the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable… more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour.”
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms…The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
I hope therefore a bill of rights will be formed to guard the people against the federal government
“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law,’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”
“I ask, Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
“The militia may be here destroyed by that method which has been practiced in other parts of the world before; that is, by rendering them useless – by disarming them.”
and think it was for only hunting or that you can somehow ban one kind over another, and that would not be an infringement of somekind. Or how they only meant muskets, and such that is too an ignorant and dupifying remark.
So in answer you try to change the bill of rights to suit yourselves against us is pretty much a declaration war on my opinion. And no we shouldn’t just change things for you people. Our fore fathers taught us to be vigilant in liberty and watch for you kinds of people that would allow ussurpations for peace and safety that they wrote it in a second ammendment.
this i wrote on that site.
http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/comment-page-8/#comments (http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/comment-page-8/#comments)
Post by: motg9_6 on January 09, 2013, 11:51:24 AM
Post by: chuck270 on January 13, 2013, 12:25:26 AM
Post by: Annette on January 13, 2013, 12:59:32 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 13, 2013, 04:41:27 AM
Post by: huntrights on January 13, 2013, 11:22:47 AM
If the Second Amendment is weakened in any way, the rest of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution will become just pieces of paper with some historical scribbles on them; they will lose all meaning. The rule of law will be at the whims of those who hold the power. This is real folks; it’s happened throughout history around the world.
The Bill of Rights is NOT negotiable.
If you want to stay free; GET INVOLVED!
Write your representatives, and keep writing them; your voices must be heard over and over again. I will continue to provide these links with hopes that ALL of you will use them to help protect our Rights and Freedoms. The Ruger link provides the words if you choose to use them. The NRA will do this on some focused topics as well.
Please take a few minutes and communicate to your representatives. Our Rights and Freedoms are at risk!
Message from Ruger:
“Protect Your Rights!
Gun rights are under attack. We, the silent majority, need to speak up now and make sure our voice is heard to protect our rights.
Contact Your Legislators Now! [http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/]”
Hunting-WA Forum Link:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,115417.0.html
You can connect with ALL of your representatives in just few minutes.
http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx
Keep on writing! Flood their email boxes with your opposition to the attacks on our Second Amendment Rights and law-abiding citizens.
Hunting-WA Forum Link:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,115410.0.html
Please PASS THIS ON to your family, friends, and colleagues.