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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: TeacherMan on January 10, 2013, 08:41:13 AM

Title: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: TeacherMan on January 10, 2013, 08:41:13 AM: Just figured I let you all know that 3 bears up in Wasilla just got in 102K .223 rounds last night and are selling them for $440 per 1,000. PMC 55gr FMJ brass.

I know you all care :chuckle:
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: Huntbear on January 10, 2013, 09:20:21 AM: Do they ship????? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: TeacherMan on January 10, 2013, 09:26:45 AM: Quote from: Huntbear on January 10, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
Do they ship????? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

It seems like a really good price I know. I'm hesitating buying much in AK because I'm not sure how much I can bring back with me through Canada when I move back???

I just shipped 50lbs down via AK Airlines a couple weeks ago when I flew back down to visit. You should of seen the guys face at the airport when he opened the lockbox, :chuckle:
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: Huntbear on January 10, 2013, 09:34:37 AM: Quote from: TeacherMan on January 10, 2013, 09:26:45 AM
Quote from: Huntbear on January 10, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
Do they ship????? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

It seems like a really good price I know. I'm hesitating buying much in AK because I'm not sure how much I can bring back with me through Canada when I move back???

I just shipped 50lbs down via AK Airlines a couple weeks ago when I flew back down to visit. You should of seen the guys face at the airport when he opened the lockbox, :chuckle:

:yike: :yike:

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Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 10, 2013, 09:43:21 AM: Teacherman. You CANNOT BRING ANY TYPE of AMMO into Canada, period. I live 10 miles from the border and the Canadians always ask. So, I asked what would happen if I brought some into Canada, the B.C. customs said bluntly : JAIL.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: lokidog on January 10, 2013, 09:46:28 AM: Quote from: CAMPMEAT on January 10, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
Teacherman. You CANNOT BRING ANY TYPE of AMMO into Canada, period. I live 10 miles from the border and the Canadians always ask. So, I asked what would happen if I brought some into Canada, the B.C. customs said bluntly : JAIL.

Huh? My dad had 60 rounds with him for our trip to the Yukon last fall. :dunno:
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 10, 2013, 09:50:13 AM: Quote from: lokidog on January 10, 2013, 09:46:28 AM
Quote from: CAMPMEAT on January 10, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
Teacherman. You CANNOT BRING ANY TYPE of AMMO into Canada, period. I live 10 miles from the border and the Canadians always ask. So, I asked what would happen if I brought some into Canada, the B.C. customs said bluntly : JAIL.

Huh? My dad had 60 rounds with him for our trip to the Yukon last fall. :dunno:

Did he register the ammo with his guns for transport through BC for a hunting trip ? That would make a difference. But, just bringing them into BC is a no-no.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: Goldeneye on January 10, 2013, 10:07:32 AM: I took two cases of shot shells last year to Saskatchewan. They visibly looked at the guns. Didn't touch and only asked about ammo. I did have all my paperwork pre-filled out and in order so that probably helped. It was pretty relaxed. The US border guards on the way back were more anal.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: boneaddict on January 10, 2013, 10:11:56 AM: Little misleading campmeat. No pistol ammo, or shotshell. Rifle is just fine, doesn't need to be checked or registered.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 10, 2013, 10:18:23 AM: Quote from: CAMPMEAT on January 10, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
Teacherman. You CANNOT BRING ANY TYPE of AMMO into Canada, period. I live 10 miles from the border and the Canadians always ask. So, I asked what would happen if I brought some into Canada, the B.C. customs said bluntly : JAIL.

I’m not sure if that’s true, I seem to remember reading that you can bring rifles, shotguns, and ammo if you are using them for hunting or shooting competition.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 10, 2013, 10:35:12 AM: I guess the BC customs don't know their stuff. I'm just going by what I know from working out of Midway BC for 5 years and what was told to me 3 weeks ago.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: Oldguy on January 10, 2013, 10:53:50 AM: Accoding to the RCMP, "Limited amounts of ammunition may be brought into Canada with you. Please note that the ammuntion should not be loaded in a firearm when arriving at an entry point."

They don't specify whether or not you have to have a non-resident firearm declaration and a firearm in order to bring the ammunition into Canada. There is no ban on shotgun or any other ammuniton; I hunt waterfowl there and have no problem.

(http://www.rcmp-grc.ge.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm)
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: boneaddict on January 10, 2013, 10:58:42 AM: THey confiscated my 9mm and my .357 ammo and my 22 shotshell when I entered one time. They also found a bear claw necklace. That was fun to explain. No firearms were in the vehicle. THey left the 30-30, 30-06, 25-06 and 12 gauge ammo alone. Thankfully they allowed the gal I had with me to bring in her marijuana as well.(she pulled it out of her purse while at the bar, I was so frickin pissed......)

Upon returning to the country at a later date, yes, they let me back in, when I had rifles, and I did the declaration paperwork, they allowed the same rifle ammunition.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: Oldguy on January 10, 2013, 11:23:54 AM: I have found that the best thing to do is contact the RCMP and get info and regulation downloads to have with you. Most of the officers at the Canadian Border are not really aware of the laws. I've been challenged many time regarding having no trigger lock on my shotgun when going duck hunting. When I explain the "in transport" status of my firearm they back off. I've had no serious problems ever.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: TeacherMan on January 10, 2013, 02:32:33 PM: This is why I brought all my pistols down via AK Air and 99 % of my ammo. To much gray area.
Title: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: sirmissalot on January 10, 2013, 02:57:37 PM: Last time I entered Canada I had what they called a "whack" of ammo with me. They tore apart my truck looking for the guns that went with the ammo, they didn't believe me I just forgot I had ammo in my console. I knew better than to bring firearms but didn't even think about ammo. Can't remember if they confiscated it or not.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: yorketransport on January 10, 2013, 07:27:16 PM: Just ship the ammo. FedEx and UPS will both ship ammunition as long as you properly mark the box with an ORM-D label.

Andrew
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: TeacherMan on January 11, 2013, 03:01:52 PM: Quote from: yorketransport on January 10, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
Just ship the ammo. FedEx and UPS will both ship ammunition as long as you properly mark the box with an ORM-D label.

Andrew

I'll give them a call, interesting to see how much 50 lbs of ammo would be :chuckle:
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: yorketransport on January 11, 2013, 05:19:13 PM: Quote from: TeacherMan on January 11, 2013, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: yorketransport on January 10, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
Just ship the ammo. FedEx and UPS will both ship ammunition as long as you properly mark the box with an ORM-D label.

Andrew

I'll give them a call, interesting to see how much 50 lbs of ammo would be :chuckle:

Probably not too bad. I can ship a 50 pound box from here to Vermont for less than $50. There's no extra charge for ammo, so it just depends on the dimensions of the box.

Andrew
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: actionshooter on January 11, 2013, 05:25:30 PM: Quote from: yorketransport on January 10, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
Just ship the ammo. FedEx and UPS will both ship ammunition as long as you properly mark the box with an ORM-D label.

Andrew

That is in the process of changing, I just found out its going to get WAY harder.
Check into it.
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: yorketransport on January 12, 2013, 08:53:52 AM: As of right now, it's perfectly legit though. I pick up and deliver ammo every day. I deliver it to both gun shops and personal residences. :tup:

Quote from: actionshooter on January 11, 2013, 05:25:30 PM
[That is in the process of changing, I just found out its going to get WAY harder.
Check into it.

Just checked on this. Ammo will still be classified as a LQ non-hazardous material and won't require HAZMAT paperwork. It looks like the DOT has just moved over to a variation of the standard DOT Diamond Label instead of the ORM-D label. No change in the legality of shipping ammo, just a change in the labeling. The new Diamond label isn't required until Jan 1, 2014, but may be used now.

Andrew
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: high country on January 12, 2013, 10:09:12 AM: Teach, you better go grab some now....I just sent messages to my co workers in wasiphylis.....and last week was fat paycheck Tuesday.......
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: actionshooter on January 12, 2013, 09:47:07 PM: Quote from: yorketransport on January 12, 2013, 08:53:52 AM
As of right now, it's perfectly legit though. I pick up and deliver ammo every day. I deliver it to both gun shops and personal residences. :tup:

Quote from: actionshooter on January 11, 2013, 05:25:30 PM
[That is in the process of changing, I just found out its going to get WAY harder.
Check into it.

Just checked on this. Ammo will still be classified as a LQ non-hazardous material and won't require HAZMAT paperwork. It looks like the DOT has just moved over to a variation of the standard DOT Diamond Label instead of the ORM-D label. No change in the legality of shipping ammo, just a change in the labeling. The new Diamond label isn't required until Jan 1, 2014, but may be used now.

Andrew
From what I understood, and may be wrong, it is going to take a special class to be certified in shipping ammo as of 1-1-14
Title: Re: 102,000 .223 rounds in!
Post by: yorketransport on January 13, 2013, 08:50:42 AM: Quote from: actionshooter on January 12, 2013, 09:47:07 PM
From what I understood, and may be wrong, it is going to take a special class to be certified in shipping ammo as of 1-1-14

This is true, but SAAMI petitioned the UN to change the classification of ammunition to an LQ (limited quantity) 1.4s hazmat. This is simply the UN version of ORM-d. The ORM-d was a US designation for limited quantities of specific materials without hazmat papers. The DOT has transitioned to a more unified code (adopted by the UN) to simplify global shipping. Both sides made some adjustments, but the end result is the same. In reality, this was a global win for SAAMI. They petitioned to UN to loosen global requirements on shipping ammunition, and won. This will make the process easier for individuals in other countries to ship ammo without the extra hazmat paper work. Ammunition may still be shipped by private parties as long as the proper DOT diamond label is applied to the package. The new DOT LQ label is available and can simply be applied to the package containing the ammo.

Andrew