Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 07:30:31 PM
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Post by: luvtohnt on January 14, 2013, 07:37:39 PM
Brandon
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
Just remember those are not allowed on groomed trails, both state and federal land!! You may be wasting money if all you can do is drive around the yard.
Brandon
of course it wouldnt be in the yard :chuckle: what about going on green dot roads like schnebly canyon , colokum , cooke canyon? and by groomed trails what do you mean??
Post by: buglebuster on January 14, 2013, 07:45:58 PM
Post by: luvtohnt on January 14, 2013, 08:25:00 PM
Just remember those are not allowed on groomed trails, both state and federal land!! You may be wasting money if all you can do is drive around the yard.
Brandon
of course it wouldnt be in the yard :chuckle: what about going on green dot roads like schnebly canyon , colokum , cooke canyon? and by groomed trails what do you mean??
Any road or trail in this case that is maintanied by a Groomer (see photo) is closed to all motorized vehicles except snowmobiles as seen here http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=332-52-420 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=332-52-420)
The definition of a snowmobile can be found here http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=332-52-010 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=332-52-010)
Also it appears that the roads you mentioned are part of the grooming program which can be found here http://www.parks.wa.gov/winter/trails/?TrailType=motorized&Region=3 (http://www.parks.wa.gov/winter/trails/?TrailType=motorized&Region=3).
Here is a pic from the inside of a snow cat while grooming up by Price Creek.
Brandon
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 08:47:26 PM
Post by: martin1 on January 14, 2013, 08:52:04 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 14, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
groomers gotta groom during off times and run lights and most put up signs warning grooming is going on, they usually groom in the middle of the night and off the trails by 8am
also they don't want people putting ruts in the fresh groomed trails
I don't have a problem with it myself, but there it is.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 14, 2013, 08:55:30 PM
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 08:57:20 PM
What kind of prices do these go for typically? I've always wanted one (don't know what I'd do with it).
depends on condition seen them as low as 2k to as high as 60k , with 2k needing work and 60k being top dog
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 09:01:27 PM
They don't want some slow moving peice of machine out farting around on trails where snowmobiles are running 100 mph
groomers gotta groom during off times and run lights and most put up signs warning grooming is going on, they usually groom in the middle of the night and off the trails by 8am
also they don't want people putting ruts in the fresh groomed trails
I don't have a problem with it myself, but there it is.
i guess the slow part makes sense , if it helps it does 35mph :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on January 14, 2013, 09:02:21 PM
What kind of prices do these go for typically? I've always wanted one (don't know what I'd do with it).
I'd to sledding parties, load up the kids and toboggans and light a bon fire and ferry sledders to the top.
sounds hella fun to me :tup:
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 09:06:24 PM
Post by: luvtohnt on January 14, 2013, 09:20:36 PM
Brandon
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 09:27:45 PM
i saw the part about the "skis" , kind of stupid in my opinion as snow cats are strictly snow machines so why would it be such a big deal i understand they may be a little slow compared to snomobiles , i thought green dot roads are open to "all" motorized vehicles so what makes it any different if there is snow on the ground or not ....
Post by: jackelope on January 14, 2013, 09:35:45 PM
I used to love riding the snowcats up the mountains skiing back east. 1st turns in fresh powder off of a snow cat was awesome stuff.
Post by: KFhunter on January 14, 2013, 09:36:14 PM
Wheels need to be checked over as they'll most likely be cracked, the drive cogs checked. The scratchers (metal bars) wear out in the center.
pretty easy stuff, I wouldn't stress too hard over parts as they have a big following and pretty wide support base.
I wouldn't mind having one myself, in fact I'd love to have a cabin that sees 20 foot of snow accumulation annually and requires a snow cat just to get back to it :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on January 14, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 09:41:20 PM
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
I wouldn't mind having one myself, in fact I'd love to have a cabin that sees 20 foot of snow accumulation annually and requires a snow cat just to get back to it :tup:
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yea i think it would be loads of fun to take my kids up in some deep stuff :tup:
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
I was under the impression that a tracked quad could run FS roads where snowmachines were legal. Quads with tires were not legal but tracks were. I could be way off here so don't hold me to it. Aside from size, not sue what the difference would be between a tracked quad and a snow cat.
I used to love riding the snowcats up the mountains skiing back east. 1st turns in fresh powder off of a snow cat was awesome stuff.
i thought so too :dunno:
Post by: luvtohnt on January 14, 2013, 10:00:25 PM
after checking out more maps of the groomed roads , there is still lots of roads that are not groomed that i could run this thing on lots of green dot roads , only a handfull of roads are groomed and the areas where i would go does not look like to have groomed roads for snowmobiles .
Be careful if you enter any area make sure you are not in an area closed to motorized vehicles except snowmobiles!
I was under the impression that a tracked quad could run FS roads where snowmachines were legal. Quads with tires were not legal but tracks were. I could be way off here so don't hold me to it. Aside from size, not sue what the difference would be between a tracked quad and a snow cat.
I used to love riding the snowcats up the mountains skiing back east. 1st turns in fresh powder off of a snow cat was awesome stuff.
Based on definition these would be in violation of the law, however it would most likely be up to the officer you encounter. Also maybe other ranger districts are more tolerant of these type of vehicles.
Brandon
Post by: benbo30 on January 14, 2013, 10:09:40 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 14, 2013, 10:32:44 PM
Does this cat have a hydraulic drive system, pumps and hubs? I have not seen any other type, but I dont know much about the old ones. In the picture it looks like there are several tire guides that need replaced to prevent tire damage. How do the rubber belts look, any cracks or weathered spots? I help work on the snow cats in Cle Elum, and it can get spendy fast. If you need more info or ideas on where to get stuff you may want to contact mfswallace he works with them also.after checking out more maps of the groomed roads , there is still lots of roads that are not groomed that i could run this thing on lots of green dot roads , only a handfull of roads are groomed and the areas where i would go does not look like to have groomed roads for snowmobiles .
Be careful if you enter any area make sure you are not in an area closed to motorized vehicles except snowmobiles!I was under the impression that a tracked quad could run FS roads where snowmachines were legal. Quads with tires were not legal but tracks were. I could be way off here so don't hold me to it. Aside from size, not sue what the difference would be between a tracked quad and a snow cat.
I used to love riding the snowcats up the mountains skiing back east. 1st turns in fresh powder off of a snow cat was awesome stuff.
Based on definition these would be in violation of the law, however it would most likely be up to the officer you encounter. Also maybe other ranger districts are more tolerant of these type of vehicles.
Brandon
I'm pretty sure it's the old school brake/clutch system
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 15, 2013, 09:54:39 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 15, 2013, 10:33:55 AM
Does this cat have a hydraulic drive system, pumps and hubs? I have not seen any other type, but I dont know much about the old ones. In the picture it looks like there are several tire guides that need replaced to prevent tire damage. How do the rubber belts look, any cracks or weathered spots? I help work on the snow cats in Cle Elum, and it can get spendy fast. If you need more info or ideas on where to get stuff you may want to contact mfswallace he works with them also
I think most modestly sized cats that were made by Bombardier or Thiokol/DMC/LMC used an American built automotive trans going to a standard operating diff, with Oliver-Clarks being common. Outboard of the diffs, wet or dry band brakes stopped one side or the other for turning. This is different than dozers where the simplest types use a spool with outboard clutches on either side.
Thiokol sometimes used a system where they had a variator downstream of the trans, with two parallel drive lines going to two differentials sistered together.
The newer snowcats use complicated and/or expensive drive trains and often hydraulic motors on each side. Those units are primarily meant for ground engagement work (ski area grooming) and are powered by big diesels. The older smaller rigs for sale generally have FoMoCo 4 cyl industrials or Chrysler engines. 318 x 8 or 300 x 6 were generally the largest factory engines.
Tuckers used a completely different steering mechanism.
Here is a good place: http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/forumdisplay.php?f=65 (http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/forumdisplay.php?f=65)
And: http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/showthread.php?t=58515 (http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/showthread.php?t=58515)
Post by: Southpole on January 15, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 15, 2013, 10:36:33 AM
Post by: crschralping on January 15, 2013, 10:37:40 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 15, 2013, 10:37:56 AM
Definitely do your math on where it's legal to drive a snow cat. I have a friend in Darrington that has a snow cat and a few years ago he got busted by the forest service for innocently driving on deep ungroomed, forest service roads. He got a warning from the forest service and they said if they bust him a second time it's a $5000 ticket. That's the Mt.Baker/Snoqualmie area. I know, it's a bunch of crap, a guy should be able to drive a snow cat around like a pick-up when a pick-up can't get there anymore, but that's the dictator world we live in. Anyway, we were wanting a snow cat as well for our place on the eastside. Fortunately we're surrounded by thousands of acres of private forest land and have permission to drive in there.
Irongoat at forumsforums is an expert on this, and claims that USFS use permits are availble ( for a fee)
Post by: benbo30 on January 15, 2013, 10:41:04 AM
Definitely do your math on where it's legal to drive a snow cat. I have a friend in Darrington that has a snow cat and a few years ago he got busted by the forest service for innocently driving on deep ungroomed, forest service roads. He got a warning from the forest service and they said if they bust him a second time it's a $5000 ticket. That's the Mt.Baker/Snoqualmie area. I know, it's a bunch of crap, a guy should be able to drive a snow cat around like a pick-up when a pick-up can't get there anymore, but that's the dictator world we live in. Anyway, we were wanting a snow cat as well for our place on the eastside. Fortunately we're surrounded by thousands of acres of private forest land and have permission to drive in there.yea I have been reading on there last night on irongoats posts , that group of people ride on forest service land , there is more to it.than most of.us know
Irongoat at forumsforums is an expert on this, and claims that USFS use permits are availble ( for a fee)
Post by: Southpole on January 15, 2013, 10:44:18 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 23, 2013, 07:09:05 AM
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Post by: benbo30 on January 23, 2013, 08:17:20 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 23, 2013, 08:30:53 AM
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Post by: oldleclercrd on January 23, 2013, 08:49:17 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 23, 2013, 08:52:14 AM
Before restoration- He's considering including it in the sale of his lot in Easton. Has water and septic installed. Everything was permitted with Kittitas Co. It's in the little community past the dam. Ready for a cabin build. Has 7 30" x 30' glue-lams to include as well.
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Looked at that machine. It was parked at the east end of Roslyn last winter. The old guy next door was impressed
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 23, 2013, 09:13:50 AM
Not sure what type of registration is needed? ORV? Vehicle? ??? I told him to leave the KCFD tags on it:) That was another good question he's wondered about. With lack of records on the machine, which KCFD is it? King, Kittitas or how many other "K" counties.
Eitherway, it's a solid beast that's now been completely gone through. All it lacks is fresh paint but, Mike has become fond of the patina of the old skins. Inside has been Line-ex'd and both heaters rebuilt and working.(yes, two) Has escape hatches on the bottom, top and sides. If you roll it or, get turned over in an avalanche you can pop the super spiffy escape hatch which opens out the bottom between the tracks.
Post by: benbo30 on January 23, 2013, 10:23:26 AM
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Post by: Southpole on January 23, 2013, 10:58:27 AM
Post by: benbo30 on January 23, 2013, 11:11:39 AM
you guys are getting me all jazzed up for a snow cat!!!!! I so want one!!! :drool: :drool: :drool::tup:
My wife was not happy when I showed her my next toy coming soon
Post by: mfswallace on January 23, 2013, 11:33:23 AM
you guys are getting me all jazzed up for a snow cat!!!!! I so want one!!! :drool: :drool: :drool::tup:
My wife was not happy when I showed her my next toy coming soon
What did u end up getting?? Pics??
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 23, 2013, 11:37:01 AM
Post by: benbo30 on January 23, 2013, 12:08:01 PM
you guys are getting me all jazzed up for a snow cat!!!!! I so want one!!! :drool: :drool: :drool::tup:
My wife was not happy when I showed her my next toy coming soon
What did u end up getting?? Pics??
Haven't got one yet , sooner or later , possibly buying 24acres first
Post by: benbo30 on January 23, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
If it's a vintage snomobile tag, how do they keep you off the groomed snomobile trails? A width restriction I'd guess?
Technically with that tag you can as you are paying for the groomed trails by getting that tag .... im sure people won't be to happy but a groomed trail is 35 mph and these cats run around there anyways
Post by: Southpole on January 23, 2013, 01:00:55 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 27, 2013, 12:35:22 PM
Post by: benbo30 on January 27, 2013, 12:40:38 PM