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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: madcow41 on January 19, 2013, 12:03:21 PM

Title: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: madcow41 on January 19, 2013, 12:03:21 PM: So I have the ability to buy a excellent quality a pre 64 Winchester model 70 in .300 Win Mag with brake. I want this weapon as a straight hunting rifle (long range) and a shooter.

Do you guys think it would be wise to buy it and use it or is it better suited as a safe queen and a collectors weapon.

Shane

----update----

So I bought said rifle. as it turns out it has a Hart 28" HV Barrel and 4 port brake, Vortex Viper 6.5-20X44 with possible badger ordanance rings, farrel 20 moa rail which appears to be bedded and on the stock a custom glass/epoxy bedding job from the recoil lug back. the stock is some kind of custom job with an aggressive cheek rest that fits me like a glove. Also after I took it apart and cleaned it I found a timney trigger, measured it at 3lbs perfect. the only problem I found was that the internal magazine doesnt work right, but its not really important to me as it can hold one round under the bolt so I can have an empty chamber and a round in the magazine while walking.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: Dan-o on January 19, 2013, 12:16:19 PM: Life is short.

Buy it and enjoy it.

If it were mine, I think I'd enjoy it more if i shot it and hunted with it. :twocents:

Post a pic when you seal the deal.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 19, 2013, 12:29:17 PM: A pre-64 with a brake is no longer interesting to a collector since it has been modified. Besides that point, Unless it was a low serial number action, or celebrity owned and in mint condition, there are thousands of them out there.
If you like it, buy it. Shoot it. Hunt with it. That is what it was built for.

-Steve
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: iusmc2002 on January 19, 2013, 12:34:41 PM: Quote from: Dan-o on January 19, 2013, 12:16:19 PM
Life is short.

Buy it and enjoy it.

If it were mine, I think I'd enjoy it more if i shot it and hunted with it. :twocents:

Post a pic when you seal the deal.

+1
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: Bob33 on January 19, 2013, 12:36:32 PM: I agree with Steve. It has little value as a collectable because of the brake. If you're buying a rifle simply to hunt with, then compare the price and value of the Winchester to a new rifle. Also, some of the old Winchesters shot very well and some didn't. There are several brands of new models that you could pick up for around $600 or less, and they would almost certainly be accurate shooters. Just something to consider.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: JLS on January 19, 2013, 12:40:42 PM: I shoot the heck out of my .243.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: Dan-o on January 19, 2013, 12:44:32 PM: Quote from: JackOfAllTrades on January 19, 2013, 12:29:17 PM
A pre-64 with a brake is no longer interesting to a collector since it has been modified. Besides that point, Unless it was a low serial number action, or celebrity owned and in mint condition, there are thousands of them out there.
If you like it, buy it. Shoot it. Hunt with it. That is what it was built for.

-Steve

:yeah:

Forgot about the brake.

It is no longer a collectible. It's now a tool. That should remove all guilt form making it your hunting rifle. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: high country on January 19, 2013, 03:55:16 PM: It's worth about $700 in parts, unless it's a super grade and the stock is uncut.....then a fuzz more.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: hrd2fnd on January 19, 2013, 04:11:24 PM: I love my pre64 in -06 have a few others in my life that have come and gone,but the pre64 will always be my goto.

hrd
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: bobcat on January 19, 2013, 06:28:51 PM: I hate to see a good, old classic rifle just sitting in a safe. They were made for shooting and hunting, use it!
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 19, 2013, 06:35:39 PM: Have to use it but take care of it
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 19, 2013, 06:37:10 PM: What about putting one of the pre-64 mod70 barrels that are for sale on here? (I've seen a 300 h&h and 264 mag recently) What would that factor for collector value?
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: madcow41 on January 20, 2013, 02:40:33 PM: I dont know if it would unless it was the original barrel
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: Dan-o on January 20, 2013, 02:56:55 PM: Cool!!!

Sounds like a fun rifle..... kind of unique/custom.

Let us know how it shoots.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: madcow41 on January 20, 2013, 03:36:15 PM: Looks to be a shooter thats for sure, cleaned the barrel out today and saw no evidence of erosion or fouling barrel has very good life, I will post a pic as soon as I am able
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: wildweeds on January 20, 2013, 04:04:57 PM: This is sort of off topic but still within it so I'll ask,What would be the collector value on my great grandmothers model 70 in 30-06 with a serial# of 836?,primo like new shape as it was the cabin gun.I think it was purchased new in 1936 or 37.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: high country on January 20, 2013, 05:13:06 PM: I sent you a pm....it's worth quite a bit.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: 300rum on January 20, 2013, 07:52:21 PM: Had it already been rebarreled?

Quote from: madcow41 on January 20, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
Looks to be a shooter thats for sure, cleaned the barrel out today and saw no evidence of erosion or fouling barrel has very good life, I will post a pic as soon as I am able
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: madcow41 on January 20, 2013, 07:57:13 PM: Quote from: 300rum on January 20, 2013, 07:52:21 PM
Had it already been rebarreled?

Quote from: madcow41 on January 20, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
Looks to be a shooter thats for sure, cleaned the barrel out today and saw no evidence of erosion or fouling barrel has very good life, I will post a pic as soon as I am able

Yes hart HV barrel 28" with 4 port brake
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: 300rum on January 20, 2013, 08:01:21 PM: O.K. I didn't read your update to your first post since I read it the first time.

Where you able to get him down from $1,000?
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: madcow41 on January 20, 2013, 08:08:56 PM: My next question:

It came with 150 rounds of handloads with undecernable data on the load contents.

Do I shoot it and hope the maker doesnt have it out for me and was loading within the limits or do I chuck/salvage it?
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: high country on January 20, 2013, 08:15:06 PM: What kind of bullets were hand loaded?
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: 300rum on January 20, 2013, 08:20:42 PM: Best to dump them unless (as suggested) you want the bullets, then you could pull them. I would dump them though.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: madcow41 on January 20, 2013, 08:23:40 PM: Mostly hollow points, the guy isnt a pro at hand writing
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: high country on January 20, 2013, 08:45:05 PM: Being as you don't know exactly what bullets they are, you can't reproduce them easily. Toss em.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: mfswallace on January 20, 2013, 08:46:53 PM: Pics, I need pics :drool:
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 20, 2013, 09:31:19 PM: I will only shoot a FEW particular fellow shooter/reloaders hand/target loads. I don't trust many reloaders if I don't know them/their process of reloading. Pull the bullets, weigh the powder from every cartridge. Keep the cases, as, he may have known what he was doing with the resizing. Work up a set of new loads on your own, but you might work from the bottom end of his notes and the details of what the COAL, Bullet seating depth, neck length and any other measurement you can get from the cases including the powder weight average you learned from pulling all the bullets. Otherwise just shoot factory loads and fireform new brass for reloading.

Oh, and since it has been rebarreled with a Hart, the collector value is nill.... Unless you have the original barrel. (Posting all of this information in the original post would have answered a lot of questions early on.)Now, the value is probably increased since it could be more of a tack driver than the factory original configuration. Buy it. Shoot it. Hunt with it.

-Steve
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: JLS on January 20, 2013, 09:33:17 PM: Agreed, reloading isn't something where you just trust anybody. Obviously his gun hasn't blown up. Do you have any of the empty brass from the owner?
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: high country on January 21, 2013, 07:21:21 AM: I am with Steve in thinking, and if the answer to my " what kind of bullets" question would have been " nosler partitions, 180's" I too would say shoot them......but since the only thing you can Id is the case.....start fresh. There is enough proven data for a win mag, and the odds of it shooting well with a hart is pretty good, providing it was chambered well and not cooked. I would hold onto the brass till you get some new stuff or new loads and compare neck diameter to be sure it wasn't built as a turn neck. Also use the existing loads to set your oal on th die and then check with actual on the gun.
Title: Re: Pre 64 Winchester model 70 Updated
Post by: bwhntr350 on January 21, 2013, 12:47:04 PM: Quote from: bobcat on January 19, 2013, 06:28:51 PM
I hate to see a good, old classic rifle just sitting in a safe. They were made for shooting and hunting, use it!

But, I have never fired my Pre-1964 Model 70 .458 Win Mag. Should I?

Just kidding...