Post by: fast1 on January 23, 2013, 04:54:55 PM
Trying this night hunting,I can get them talkin with a locator or siren. Then what??? Do u go with a distress or keep howlin? Do u pan the light until u see eyes or just turn it on every now & then? Any advice would be much appropriated. Went out today,saw one about 400 out,didn't shoot. Next stand I dumped a o'gal on the run at about 100. Wewhew!lol got anxious got up turned call of looked to mark where she was & there was another down with her. She took off so I called some more & seen her about 200yds. Shoot twice but by the dust my bullets where travelin about two feet a second slower then she was! I know it wasn't my lead!lol
Post by: fast1 on January 24, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
Post by: bear hunter on January 24, 2013, 10:49:19 AM
Post by: sirfunkeybut on January 24, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: fast1 on January 24, 2013, 11:52:26 AM
Post by: GEARHEAD on January 24, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Post by: Machias on January 24, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
Post by: rynokron on January 24, 2013, 05:42:19 PM
You want to run the light non-stop, don't turn it off and on or you will spook them. Keep the main beam above the horizon. Make sure your outline is broken up, make sure you don't silhouette yourself, sneak in just like daytime. Start of calling quiet and increase the volume. Keep the caller next to you, not away from you like during the daytime, you want the eyes looking at you. Personally I only like using shotguns at night, I don't like shooting far in the dark, too risky. Once you spot eyes keep the main part of the beam just above their heads. Howling works great during the breeding season, rest of the time I like distress calls.
This.
Post by: fast1 on January 24, 2013, 07:20:14 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 24, 2013, 07:40:56 PM
Post by: yote on January 24, 2013, 08:00:12 PM
Spotlighting is best done as a 2-man operation. One to hold the spotlight, and the other to shoot. :tup:
This.
Post by: rynokron on January 25, 2013, 06:02:42 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on January 25, 2013, 09:28:24 AM
I only hunted them at night last year and it sucked. They were howling but didn't want to come in. I was going to try it again this year but the new law sucks but I under stand it. You can't see houses and buildings and a bullet can fly way out or skip off the dirt. I like to see out far so night hunting sucks to me. Good luck hunting
Sorry about the thread jack, but what new law?
Copied from this years regs:
Coyote may be hunted at night
year round, EXCEPT it is unlawful
to hunt coyote at night during the
months of September, October,
or November in any area open to a
centerfire rifle deer or elk season.
Did something change?
Post by: rynokron on January 25, 2013, 10:11:41 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 25, 2013, 10:19:25 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on January 25, 2013, 10:24:08 AM
I have found that it's best to hunt areas that you've hunted in daylight, so you know where it's safe to shoot. Things look different at night.
True! Best sugguestion so far.
Nothing has changed.
I didn't think so, I knew there were some proposals put out, but hadn't heard that they had actually moved beyond that stage.
Post by: Machias on January 25, 2013, 10:48:11 AM
I have found that it's best to hunt areas that you've hunted in daylight, so you know where it's safe to shoot. Things look different at night.
True! Best sugguestion so far.Nothing has changed.
I didn't think so, I knew there were some proposals put out, but hadn't heard that they had actually moved beyond that stage.
I somewhat agree, but you still don't know what is standing out there 300 to 400 yards, could be another guy that has walked in. I know alot of guys use rifles at night and I'm not trying to discourage it, but I think you are alot better off shooting into a hillside that you can reasonably be sure no one or nothing is beyond your target. I just feel more comfortable using the shotgun, but not trying to dictate to anyone else, just food for thought.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 25, 2013, 11:04:16 AM
I have found that it's best to hunt areas that you've hunted in daylight, so you know where it's safe to shoot. Things look different at night.
True! Best sugguestion so far.Nothing has changed.
I didn't think so, I knew there were some proposals put out, but hadn't heard that they had actually moved beyond that stage.
I somewhat agree, but you still don't know what is standing out there 300 to 400 yards, could be another guy that has walked in. I know alot of guys use rifles at night and I'm not trying to discourage it, but I think you are alot better off shooting into a hillside that you can reasonably be sure no one or nothing is beyond your target. I just feel more comfortable using the shotgun, but not trying to dictate to anyone else, just food for thought.
I agree. One rule is: Be sure of your target. My rule is: Be sure of your target AND your backstop! There have been animals that went on living because I didn't know where my bullet would go if it went past the critter.
Post by: bear hunter on January 25, 2013, 12:05:23 PM
I thought I read in it in the regs that night hunting for coyotes at night you have to be 100 ft or so from the rig,shotgun 4 shot or smaller and rifle limited to rim fire only on public land. Maybe I am wrong I look at it again later and Names not Jock OK SONI only hunted them at night last year and it sucked. They were howling but didn't want to come in. I was going to try it again this year but the new law sucks but I under stand it. You can't see houses and buildings and a bullet can fly way out or skip off the dirt. I like to see out far so night hunting sucks to me. Good luck hunting
Sorry about the thread jack, but what new law?
Copied from this years regs:
Coyote may be hunted at night
year round, EXCEPT it is unlawful
to hunt coyote at night during the
months of September, October,
or November in any area open to a
centerfire rifle deer or elk season.
Did something change?
Post by: BIGINNER on January 25, 2013, 12:09:29 PM
I thought I read in it in the regs that night hunting for coyotes at night you have to be 100 ft or so from the rig,shotgun 4 shot or smaller and rifle limited to rim fire only on public land. Maybe I am wrong I look at it again later and Names not Jack OK SONI only hunted them at night last year and it sucked. They were howling but didn't want to come in. I was going to try it again this year but the new law sucks but I under stand it. You can't see houses and buildings and a bullet can fly way out or skip off the dirt. I like to see out far so night hunting sucks to me. Good luck hunting
Sorry about the thread jack, but what new law?
Copied from this years regs:
Coyote may be hunted at night
year round, EXCEPT it is unlawful
to hunt coyote at night during the
months of September, October,
or November in any area open to a
centerfire rifle deer or elk season.
Did something change?
:chuckle: :chuckle: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Post by: 7t9cobra on January 25, 2013, 12:10:47 PM
Post by: bear hunter on January 25, 2013, 12:31:53 PM
Post by: fast1 on January 25, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
I've hunted long enough to know your area of hunt, livestock,pets,etc. I don't shoot skyline muchless at night.
For the most part the closest house is over a mile & at places its over 10 miles. Commonsense is always a plus when hunting, which I agree a lot of people lack, Ooo wait that's our government & the people who can't by a gun over the counter but rather get it out of a trunk. But thanx for the advice all. It never hurts to get reminded of stuff we already know but often over look!
Post by: Smossy on January 25, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
I've moved from cats in the blues to dogs in the sage.
Trying this night hunting,I can get them talkin with a locator or siren. Then what??? Do u go with a distress or keep howlin? Do u pan the light until u see eyes or just turn it on every now & then? Any advice would be much appropriated. Went out today,saw one about 400 out,didn't shoot. Next stand I dumped a o'gal on the run at about 100. Wewhew!lol got anxious got up turned call of looked to mark where she was & there was another down with her. She took off so I called some more & seen her about 200yds. Shoot twice but by the dust my bullets where travelin about two feet a second slower then she was! I know it wasn't my lead!lol
Hey if your serious about night hunting coyotes I HIGHLY recommend checking these guys out.
http://www.sniperhawglights.com/ (http://www.sniperhawglights.com/)
They have awsome products that are perfect for what your looking for, Colored filtered lights that mount to your bow/guns that the animals cant actually see because of the spectrum of light. Will still give you your night shine in the eyes though. Just without blasting a bright white light at them and scarin them away.
Im waiting to save up enough to get mine for my bow.
It mounts to where you would normally put your stabilizer. Hope this helps you man.
Post by: Machias on January 25, 2013, 04:48:24 PM
Post by: fast1 on January 25, 2013, 05:51:05 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on January 25, 2013, 07:52:39 PM
I thought I read in it in the regs that night hunting for coyotes at night you have to be 100 ft or so from the rig,shotgun 4 shot or smaller and rifle limited to rim fire only on public land. Maybe I am wrong I look at it again later and Names not Jock OK SONI only hunted them at night last year and it sucked. They were howling but didn't want to come in. I was going to try it again this year but the new law sucks but I under stand it. You can't see houses and buildings and a bullet can fly way out or skip off the dirt. I like to see out far so night hunting sucks to me. Good luck hunting
Sorry about the thread jack, but what new law?
Copied from this years regs:
Coyote may be hunted at night
year round, EXCEPT it is unlawful
to hunt coyote at night during the
months of September, October,
or November in any area open to a
centerfire rifle deer or elk season.
Did something change?
Now that is funny!
I was appologizing for "Jacking the thread" or as it is otherwise know as changing or veering away from the original topic...POPS!!! :chuckle:
Post by: fast1 on January 25, 2013, 09:39:58 PM
I may be wrong but I'm thinkin invotation fallowed by just some plain old male or female howls or saranade. A lot of cattle,beck maybe distressed calf.lol Not enough time in the night now. Anxious to try it all out now.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 26, 2013, 12:25:56 AM
Post by: Snopczynski on January 26, 2013, 01:11:57 AM
I've moved from cats in the blues to dogs in the sage.
Trying this night hunting,I can get them talkin with a locator or siren. Then what??? Do u go with a distress or keep howlin? Do u pan the light until u see eyes or just turn it on every now & then? Any advice would be much appropriated. Went out today,saw one about 400 out,didn't shoot. Next stand I dumped a o'gal on the run at about 100. Wewhew!lol got anxious got up turned call of looked to mark where she was & there was another down with her. She took off so I called some more & seen her about 200yds. Shoot twice but by the dust my bullets where travelin about two feet a second slower then she was! I know it wasn't my lead!lol
Have you hunted coyotes in the daytime? If so, have you called any in?
Post by: RadSav on January 26, 2013, 01:28:01 AM
As far as continuing to howl after locating it all depends on time of year. I haven't had much luck bringing them close with the howler after the pups have left the den. So after May until about late March/mid April I put the howler away and stick with house cat, rabbit or rodent calls. In spring get mobile and use the howler as you close in on the dens at night. Once you get close settle in and start the hurt pup call aggressively. And be ready!!! This is where I use the shotgun as more often than not it's like shooting a running alligator coming right after you. Ears pinned back and teeth shinning in the light. Dang fun and exciting stuff!
Night time vermin hunting can be one heck of a lot of fun. And extremely effective once you get it figured out. Good luck.
Post by: fast1 on January 27, 2013, 05:29:36 PM
Post by: Machias on January 28, 2013, 07:45:40 AM
Post by: fast1 on January 28, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
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Post by: westsidehunter on January 28, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
Post by: fast1 on January 30, 2013, 08:40:02 AM
Post by: fast1 on February 04, 2013, 03:05:13 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 04, 2013, 04:13:28 PM
Biggest mistake new callers make is being too loud and too long winded at the beginning of the sequence. Start off very small and timid. Think "I'm in distress, but not yet being torn apart." Convey that in the temperament of your call. Remember you are talking to the coyote through emotion.
Cottontails have very small lungs. Be sure to represent that in each blast. No coyote is going to mess with a 300# rabbit so don't sound like one ;)
After about 10 minutes of calling start to increase both volume and excitement. Thinking like the rabbit you are now in extreme distress. I like to imagine I am being ripped apart by a small fox or martin. Something that is not big enough to kill me right away. Make that coyote think he can come steal some easy vittles from a smaller predator. Again, don't forget you are a small rabbit with small lungs - loud does not mean long drawn out blasts.
Have you ever seen a small dog like a Yorkie trying to kill a toy? They pin it down, bite it, shake it, flip it and repeat. Try to imagine yourself being that toy and transfer that emotion and distress through the call. This I will do for an additional 5 to 10 minutes.
After the extreme distress series of calling you want to once again reduce volume and enter the exhaustion stage. Here I imagine that I am now just minutes from death having no more energy to fight off the small predator. My face often falls deep into the dirt and I moan with every small breath I can muster as the fox or martin begins to eat me alive. This is not a stage of distress or blasting. Just slow moans of exhaustion and life escaping form my little rabbit body. I do not call constantly at this time. This final sequence is no longer than five minutes.
If after these three sequences I have been unable to bring the coyotes in I sit still for another 5 to 10 minutes before picking up and moving location.
I can not express the importance of imagination here. You don't ever want your quarry to ever think you might be a human blowing on a call. And you never want that coyote to think you are too dang big to be an easy meal. Imagine yourself as that poor little flea bitten rabbit - little, fragile, scared to death, and slowly dying at the hands of a predator only slightly larger than you are. This is where a digital caller can never compete with a good hand caller.
If you can visualize that and portray that image through your call you are going to kill a lot of dogs :tup:
Post by: fast1 on February 05, 2013, 05:10:26 PM
I know they should be pairing right now, but ya its frustrating when u hear them,know their close but u just can't seal the deal.