Post by: bigtex on January 24, 2013, 09:22:31 AM
- Big game hunting license
- Small game hunting license
- Western Washington pheasant permit
- Trapping license
- Watchable wildlife decal
- Combination, saltwater, or freshwater personal use fishing license
http://dlr.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/default.aspx?Bill=5289&year=2013 (http://dlr.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/default.aspx?Bill=5289&year=2013)
Post by: Elkrunner on January 24, 2013, 09:27:17 AM
Post by: KimberRich on January 24, 2013, 09:34:34 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 24, 2013, 09:38:08 AM
Post by: bigtex on January 24, 2013, 09:39:19 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 24, 2013, 09:46:04 AM
This is a slap in the face IMO.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 24, 2013, 09:46:58 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 24, 2013, 09:57:22 AM
One step in the right direction?LOL :chuckle: Kind of like the fuel prices right?, jack the prices up for 4 years from $1.89/gal to $4.00/gal+, then when the price is dropped to $3/gal everyone will happy. :chuckle:
Lets tell the public that we want 15 breeding packs of wolves, that way 10 bredding pairs won't seem so bad.
Post by: Bob33 on January 24, 2013, 10:04:55 AM
One step in the right direction?Yes. The right direction is to lower prices. I suspect many feel that $20 is still too high for those who are already spending hundreds for hunting related licenses, fees, tags, and other costs.
Post by: bearpaw on January 24, 2013, 10:07:09 AM
I say its still a rip off...
:yeah:
Post by: Oldguy on January 24, 2013, 10:10:40 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 24, 2013, 10:11:37 AM
I say its still a rip off...
:yeah:
Post by: Wea300mag on January 24, 2013, 06:53:58 PM
Post by: gaddy on January 24, 2013, 06:56:35 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on January 24, 2013, 08:17:34 PM
Post by: Curly on January 24, 2013, 08:22:03 PM
I like the other bill. We already pay enough of the state's public lands bills with our hunting and fishing licenses.
:yeah:
Post by: washelkhunter on January 24, 2013, 08:26:35 PM
Once again: Privatize the operation of the state parks!
Post by: bobcat on January 24, 2013, 08:28:05 PM
Post by: Special T on January 24, 2013, 08:29:29 PM
This "discount" would likely go away as soon as they think they could get away with it. I will stand on my princaple and say NO to the DP even if it was $5.. >:(
Post by: bigtex on March 11, 2013, 06:19:26 PM
Significant changes to this bill.
Under the amended bill you would no longer need a Discover Pass "When operating on an agency managed road, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate. However, a discover pass or day-use permit is required for operation of any motor vehicle in a state park beyond a staffed entrance booth or otherwise at the entrance to a state park where staff is present for purposes of discover pass or day-use permit compliance." Essentially in these areas the Discover Pass is a parking pass, not an operating pass as it currently is
Under the original bill there was a proposed discounted fee for Discover Pass purchasers who hold hunting and fishing licenses. That wording has been removed and is replaced by: "(1) By mutual agreement, the agencies may sell discounted discover passes at a rate below that established under RCW 79A.80.020 or discounted day-use permits at a rate below that established under RCW 79A.80.030 for purposes of bulk sales to retailers, agency license and permit product bundling, and partnership opportunities to expand accessibility and visibility of the discover pass and recreational opportunities on agency-managed lands. (2) In exercising this authority, the agencies must prioritize opportunities for discounted sales that result in a net revenue gain." Essentially meaning WDFW, DNR, and Parks can get together and negotiate a reduced/bundled fee
The amended bill UNANIMOUSLY passed the Senate on 3/8
Post by: lokidog on March 11, 2013, 09:42:40 PM
Post by: bigtex on March 11, 2013, 10:18:43 PM
So, does the first paragraph mean you can park along a road that is ungated, but if you park in front of a gate and walk around it, you would need the pass? How would you park on a gated road if you didn't go through the, theoretically, closed gate?
What it means is if you are driving on a DNR road you do not need the pass, as soon as you park you do. If you park in front of a gate, you need the pass. All it does is basically just loosen the requirements for having it when you are driving.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 11, 2013, 10:29:06 PM
So, does the first paragraph mean you can park along a road that is ungated, but if you park in front of a gate and walk around it, you would need the pass? How would you park on a gated road if you didn't go through the, theoretically, closed gate?
What it means is if you are driving on a DNR road you do not need the pass, as soon as you park you do. If you park in front of a gate, you need the pass. All it does is basically just loosen the requirements for having it when you are driving.
I believe you are mistaken.
" However, a discover pass or day-use permit is required for operation of any motor vehicle in a state park beyond a staffed entrance booth or otherwise at the entrance to a state park where staff is present for purposes of discover pass or day-use permit compliance." Essentially in these areas the Discover Pass is a parking pass, not an operating pass as it currently is"
I read it as it's a parking permit in these developed areas, not in the undeveloped areas.
Post by: bigtex on March 11, 2013, 10:33:55 PM
So, does the first paragraph mean you can park along a road that is ungated, but if you park in front of a gate and walk around it, you would need the pass? How would you park on a gated road if you didn't go through the, theoretically, closed gate?
What it means is if you are driving on a DNR road you do not need the pass, as soon as you park you do. If you park in front of a gate, you need the pass. All it does is basically just loosen the requirements for having it when you are driving.
I believe you are mistaken.
" However, a discover pass or day-use permit is required for operation of any motor vehicle in a state park beyond a staffed entrance booth or otherwise at the entrance to a state park where staff is present for purposes of discover pass or day-use permit compliance." Essentially in these areas the Discover Pass is a parking pass, not an operating pass as it currently is"
I read it as it's a parking permit in these developed areas, not in the undeveloped areas.
The part you highlighted is just for State Parks, not WDFW or DNR areas. You also need to read the entire bill, effective in 2012 the pass was needed at all areas, not just developed. This bill does nothing to change that. All it does is say you don't need it if you are operating a vehicle on DNR/WDFW lands that aren't gated.
Post by: lokidog on March 11, 2013, 10:45:38 PM
So, does the first paragraph mean you can park along a road that is ungated, but if you park in front of a gate and walk around it, you would need the pass? How would you park on a gated road if you didn't go through the, theoretically, closed gate?
What it means is if you are driving on a DNR road you do not need the pass, as soon as you park you do. If you park in front of a gate, you need the pass. All it does is basically just loosen the requirements for having it when you are driving.
I believe you are mistaken.
" However, a discover pass or day-use permit is required for operation of any motor vehicle in a state park beyond a staffed entrance booth or otherwise at the entrance to a state park where staff is present for purposes of discover pass or day-use permit compliance." Essentially in these areas the Discover Pass is a parking pass, not an operating pass as it currently is"
I read it as it's a parking permit in these developed areas, not in the undeveloped areas.
The part you highlighted is just for State Parks, not WDFW or DNR areas. You also need to read the entire bill, effective in 2012 the pass was needed at all areas, not just developed. This bill does nothing to change that. All it does is say you don't need it if you are operating a vehicle on DNR/WDFW lands that aren't gated.
So hey, you can take the shortcut through Cap Forest, but don't stop to take a leak.... This DP is still a bunch of crapola for those of us already spending hundreds of dollars for the privelage of trying to feed our families. :bash:
Post by: bigtex on March 11, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
So, does the first paragraph mean you can park along a road that is ungated, but if you park in front of a gate and walk around it, you would need the pass? How would you park on a gated road if you didn't go through the, theoretically, closed gate?
What it means is if you are driving on a DNR road you do not need the pass, as soon as you park you do. If you park in front of a gate, you need the pass. All it does is basically just loosen the requirements for having it when you are driving.
I believe you are mistaken.
" However, a discover pass or day-use permit is required for operation of any motor vehicle in a state park beyond a staffed entrance booth or otherwise at the entrance to a state park where staff is present for purposes of discover pass or day-use permit compliance." Essentially in these areas the Discover Pass is a parking pass, not an operating pass as it currently is"
I read it as it's a parking permit in these developed areas, not in the undeveloped areas.
The part you highlighted is just for State Parks, not WDFW or DNR areas. You also need to read the entire bill, effective in 2012 the pass was needed at all areas, not just developed. This bill does nothing to change that. All it does is say you don't need it if you are operating a vehicle on DNR/WDFW lands that aren't gated.
So hey, you can take the shortcut through Cap Forest, but don't stop to take a leak....
That is what the bill says. Like i said, unanimous support.
Post by: lokidog on March 11, 2013, 11:12:59 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 12, 2013, 01:30:27 AM
function that required the provision of monetary compensation to the agency."
I'd say a person who paid for a hunting license and tag has provided a monetary consideration to attend an event, ie hunting season. And to charge a citizen to access unimproved land of which he is an owner as a citizen is immoral at the least and should be illegal.
There's a reason it's called "public land".
Post by: bigtex on March 12, 2013, 09:14:56 AM
"3)(a) An agency may waive the requirements of this section 32 for any person who has secured the ability to access specific recreational land through the provision of monetary consideration to the agency or for any person attending an event or
function that required the provision of monetary compensation to the agency."
I'd say a person who paid for a hunting license and tag has provided a monetary consideration to attend an event, ie hunting season. And to charge a citizen to access unimproved land of which he is an owner as a citizen is immoral at the least and should be illegal.
There's a reason it's called "public land".
You buy your license to hunt, not for access.
Post by: lokidog on March 12, 2013, 10:05:53 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 12, 2013, 12:46:54 PM
Post by: Special T on March 12, 2013, 12:56:29 PM
Post by: bigtex on March 12, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
Wait til they start charging all the clam diggers $30 to park on the beach. This is the same thing.
The only reason they don't is because while the coastal beaches are owned by State Parks, it is not considered a State Park, but rather the Seashore Conservation Area. The Discover Pass bill requires the pass in State Parks, not State Park lands.
Had the legislation required the Discover Pass on State Park LANDS (similar to WDFW and DNR lands) the Pass would be required.
Post by: bigtex on March 12, 2013, 01:13:36 PM
They should require it! its state land... Either parks, DNR or....
I agree. The coast is probably the most heavily used state land in the state...and it's the only area not required to have the pass. :dunno:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 12, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
Wait til they start charging all the clam diggers $30 to park on the beach. This is the same thing.
The only reason they don't is because while the coastal beaches are owned by State Parks, it is not considered a State Park, but rather the Seashore Conservation Area. The Discover Pass bill requires the pass in State Parks, not State Park lands.
Had the legislation required the Discover Pass on State Park LANDS (similar to WDFW and DNR lands) the Pass would be required.
As far as I'm concerned they should spread the pain around. But that's why they didn't include State Parks owned lands. You can bet there was figuring going on. They figured there would be significant political blow back from requiring it on the beaches where people go to recreate. Way more people use the beaches than any other state land. Hunters are a small minority who they think have unlimited deep pockets. So they won't get stung in the voting booth like they would for requiring the pass on the beaches.
The ironic part is, they are doing this to fund State Parks and State Parks owns the beaches so what better source of revenue? But they include DNR land that is undeveloped and has nothing to do with State Parks.
Post by: lokidog on March 12, 2013, 08:12:14 PM
Wait til they start charging all the clam diggers $30 to park on the beach. This is the same thing.
The only reason they don't is because while the coastal beaches are owned by State Parks, it is not considered a State Park, but rather the Seashore Conservation Area. The Discover Pass bill requires the pass in State Parks, not State Park lands.
Had the legislation required the Discover Pass on State Park LANDS (similar to WDFW and DNR lands) the Pass would be required.
As far as I'm concerned they should spread the pain around. But that's why they didn't include State Parks owned lands. You can bet there was figuring going on. They figured there would be significant political blow back from requiring it on the beaches where people go to recreate. Way more people use the beaches than any other state land. Hunters are a small minority who they think have unlimited deep pockets. So they won't get stung in the voting booth like they would for requiring the pass on the beaches.
The ironic part is, they are doing this to fund State Parks and State Parks owns the beaches so what better source of revenue? But they include DNR land that is undeveloped and has nothing to do with State Parks.
100% :yeah:
Post by: bigtex on March 12, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
:yeah:Wait til they start charging all the clam diggers $30 to park on the beach. This is the same thing.
The only reason they don't is because while the coastal beaches are owned by State Parks, it is not considered a State Park, but rather the Seashore Conservation Area. The Discover Pass bill requires the pass in State Parks, not State Park lands.
Had the legislation required the Discover Pass on State Park LANDS (similar to WDFW and DNR lands) the Pass would be required.
As far as I'm concerned they should spread the pain around. But that's why they didn't include State Parks owned lands. You can bet there was figuring going on. They figured there would be significant political blow back from requiring it on the beaches where people go to recreate. Way more people use the beaches than any other state land. Hunters are a small minority who they think have unlimited deep pockets. So they won't get stung in the voting booth like they would for requiring the pass on the beaches.
The ironic part is, they are doing this to fund State Parks and State Parks owns the beaches so what better source of revenue? But they include DNR land that is undeveloped and has nothing to do with State Parks.
100% :yeah:
Post by: xd2005 on March 12, 2013, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: bigtex on March 12, 2013, 08:18:40 PM
Do the funds go towards state parks or state park lands?
The agencies in general
Post by: Pinetar on March 12, 2013, 08:21:51 PM
Last year if you were staying at a state campground (like Banks Lake) you didn't have to buy the discovery pass since you were paying for the campgrounds. Is this still the same or do you now have to also buy the DP?
Post by: bigtex on March 12, 2013, 08:23:32 PM
BigTex,
Last year if you were staying at a state campground (like Banks Lake) you didn't have to buy the discovery pass since you were paying for the campgrounds. Is this still the same or do you now have to also buy the DP?
No change
Post by: Pinetar on March 12, 2013, 08:35:29 PM