Post by: Crunchy on January 29, 2013, 08:30:12 AM
Post by: 92xj on January 29, 2013, 08:31:06 AM
Post by: Crunchy on January 29, 2013, 08:36:46 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 29, 2013, 08:40:07 AM
Post by: 92xj on January 29, 2013, 08:40:54 AM
Post by: Crunchy on January 29, 2013, 08:52:47 AM
Not looking to do anything drastic, nothing you do will result in noticable accuracy gains. I guess it really depends on your definition of drastic. Non drastic changes to me would not be worth it on my guns for increasing accuracy. But, reloading, trying all new cases, primers, powders, bullets OALs and so on can greatly increase your accuracy without changing or touching anything on the gun. I went from 2" groups from factory ammo to .63" groups in my 300 by relaoading and experimenting. Nothing was changed on the gun.
By drastic I meant changing out the barrel or someting along those lines. Not sure I have the time to devote to reloading, and testing different ammo but I see your point. I was looking at $300-$500 limit if that is a sufficient number.
Post by: 92xj on January 29, 2013, 09:00:10 AM
Not looking to do anything drastic, nothing you do will result in noticable accuracy gains. I guess it really depends on your definition of drastic. Non drastic changes to me would not be worth it on my guns for increasing accuracy. But, reloading, trying all new cases, primers, powders, bullets OALs and so on can greatly increase your accuracy without changing or touching anything on the gun. I went from 2" groups from factory ammo to .63" groups in my 300 by relaoading and experimenting. Nothing was changed on the gun.
By drastic I meant changing out the barrel or someting along those lines. Not sure I have the time to devote to reloading, and testing different ammo but I see your point. I was looking at $300-$500 limit if that is a sufficient number.
Thats a good number to work with! Start with the trigger like others have expressed and go from there.
Post by: Bob33 on January 29, 2013, 09:01:51 AM
Post by: Crunchy on January 29, 2013, 09:29:11 AM
No matter how much work you do or how much $$ you spend on a gun, it won't matter if you can't control yourself. I use to see it all the time, guys with expensive custom built "high accuracy" guns who couldn't shoot a group under 2" at 200 yards. Shooting is 95% mental.
Lets pretend I am already a good shot :chuckle: Well at least better than most.
Post by: PolarBear on January 29, 2013, 09:31:45 AM
Post by: Crunchy on January 29, 2013, 09:40:23 AM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on January 29, 2013, 09:48:55 AM
http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=654_670&products_id=172 (http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=654_670&products_id=172)
That might help some.
However on my 700 I found reloading by hand I could make ammo specifically for my gun and at 100 yards testing I stacked them on top of one another.
Also a good scope will always help. not that the scope itself makes you more accurate but good glass WILL help with seeing clearly at a distance.
Post by: Crunchy on January 29, 2013, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on January 29, 2013, 10:03:46 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 29, 2013, 10:39:03 AM
Post by: hillbilli on January 29, 2013, 11:28:40 AM
Post by: Jim the Plumber on January 29, 2013, 11:51:03 AM
With the set up you have and the budget you offered, long range isn't in the picture.
Post by: bobcat on January 29, 2013, 11:55:30 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 29, 2013, 12:23:57 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 29, 2013, 07:29:03 PM
No matter how much work you do or how much $$ you spend on a gun, it won't matter if you can't control yourself. I use to see it all the time, guys with expensive custom built "high accuracy" guns who couldn't shoot a group under 2" at 200 yards. Shooting is 95% mental.
Lets pretend I am already a good shot :chuckle: Well at least better than most.
:rolleyes: that's what they ALL say (including me) :chuckle:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 29, 2013, 07:47:20 PM
Are you capable of shooting moa or sub moa groups at any distance with said rifle and factory ammo? If you really are a good shot and can already shoot sub moa, then 300-500 bucks isn't going to get you much. So, what result are you getting now, and what are your expectations?
With any rifle, a good glass/pillar bedding is usually in order but if you already have a rifle that shoots well, then don't expect noticable results from that. Generally the next step from bedding would be a better/adjustable trigger. Your glass is good enough unless you're thinking of more than 500yd target distances. (yes, I know there are many that would say it's good to better than that) But if the rifle is capable of 800yd accuracy, then I'm betting most experienced long range shooters are going to suggest better optics. You're not going there for another $500. You better get deeper pockets. If your barrel is good, Next would be bolt lug/action truing/headspacing. That belted magnum headspaces on the belt, but the correct setup will have it set on the shoulder too. Probalby also not within your $500 budget. Still, any improvement to the action will not make sub par factory ammo shoot into the same hole at long distances. It all starts with the cartridge. So, as many have already posted... Reloading quality ammo, talored to your gun will get you the best results from your shooting package.
-edit ... Oh, and more practice.
-Steve
Post by: Jim the Plumber on January 30, 2013, 06:26:16 AM
Maybe his definition of "long range" is the same as mine (400 yards).You are correct, however the lack of information leaves me using my definition of long range.
He can't get there.
Post by: bullcanyon on January 30, 2013, 07:06:29 AM
Post by: rbros on January 30, 2013, 08:05:22 AM
Bedding
Trigger
Repeatable optics
Proper gun fit
Reloading
This would be a budget "fixup" for a factory gun to see what its made of. Even then it may or may not have what it takes. Again, if 400yds is long range, a guy can get away with quite a bit. If 1000-1500yds is long range, the setup and the shooter needs to be correct.
Post by: Crunchy on January 30, 2013, 08:26:41 AM
Post by: arees on January 30, 2013, 08:47:36 AM
I also bedded the action at the same time. After that the accuracy was well under a half inch at 100 yards with hand loads. The rifle out shoots me.
What are your groups like now?
Post by: lostbackpacker on January 30, 2013, 08:53:01 AM
Post by: Special T on January 30, 2013, 09:02:38 AM
I believe getting the most out of your rifle is a slow process of documenting, inspections and testing.
Post by: jaymark6655 on January 30, 2013, 09:13:06 AM
OK maybe i need to think about reloaded because so many of you seem to have that in your responses. As far as range goes, the CDS dial goes out to 700plus. I would like to do some target shooting in the 300-600 yard range. Currently at 200 I shoot can shoot a three inch group, but am getting an occasional flyer (operator error most likely). I was looking for a list of what everyone thought would be top priorities (money best spent) in getting better accuracy from your hunting rifle. thanks for all the ideas.1.5MOA thats not bad for factory ammo.
Reloading makes a huge difference, especially in flyers (if its not operator error). Since most ammo is mass produced, it will have certain inaccuracies in the powder load. A box of fusions I pulled the bullets on had a +/- of a grain or two in the powder.
What kind of stock is on the rifle. My 700 came with the plastic stock; almost impossible to bed, not free floating and everytime I would load the bipod for a shot it would twist just a little bit differently throwing the shot off in a new direction each time.
Between the stock and reloading a person could go through $500 really quickly.
Post by: GEARHEAD on January 30, 2013, 09:46:45 AM
Post by: coachcw on January 30, 2013, 10:38:18 PM